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@TheBromgrev: Indeed I'm building five Carriers. I thought I already announced their names in an earlier chapter
Maybe you did. If so, then I forgot.

EDIT: I actually assumed that the Carriers were named after famous/important people. Graf Zeppelin, Peter Strasser, Clausewitz definitely would be good names in this sense. KMS Herman Göring would be less justifiable, but I doubt I will build that many Carriers :p And I can rename them later on anyway.

Agreed with Goering :) If you look at PI's list it seems they kept, for the most part, the naming convention of the Graf Zeppelin-class, which was to name carrier after famous aviation-related people. There are a few oddballs in there though, like Amerika and Seeloewe.
 
Slan: ...Frederick I, His "nickname" was Barbarossa.

i remember reading that "Barbarossa" meant "Red Beard". so, why not rename the HMS Barbarossa to HMS Frederick I ? ?

Slan: ...I didn't take the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, but in 2.03c, it seems the "Winter" War only needs Poland to fall. (And some other minor things, like the Soviets not being at war with Germany, or Finland not being in any faction and such.)

i have a HOI 2 DD test game in progress in which i altered things a bit, and among other things, i inherited Poland as Germany. the Winter War occurred without the M-R Pact ! ! it seems that how Poland "falls" is not a concern of the Soviet AI. ;)

Slan: ...and were scrapped right after I deployed them. They were built for the practical

i agree with the construction and the scrapping of the CVLs. except, why did you build five ? would not building one have given you the same practicals ? ?

Slan:
...And yes, I'm mostly going for CVs and CLs.

works for me ! !

hmmm. CVs and CLs, or CVs and CVLs ? ?

Slan: ...KMS Herman Göring would be less justifiable, but I doubt I will build that many Carriers. And I can rename them later on anyway.

the problem with renaming ships is that the next construction of a ship in that same class will then have the name that you just removed from usage ! ! :eek:
 
i agree with the construction and the scrapping of the CVLs. except, why did you build five ? would not building one have given you the same practicals ? ?

Not quite. Each light carrier (called escort carriers by the game) provides 1.6 practical upon completion. Since he built 5, that means his carrier practical is 5*1.6=8, minus any decay. He's going for a carrier-based navy with light cruisers as escorts. That's because vanilla kind of forces you to pick a main ship and screen due to how naval doctrines are arranged, instead of building a balanced fleet with all ship types. BB+DD is one tree, CV or CVE+CL is another, and the other three ship types fall in a tree that encourages you to use them independently. Ever since SF fixed (sort of) naval combat so carriers stay away from the front lines, carrier-based navies will murder any surface fleet not protected by land-based interceptors.
 
TheBromgrev: ...Since he built 5, that means his carrier practical is 5*1.6=8, minus any decay.

OK, even though that seems counter intuitive...

TheBromgrev: ...He's going for a carrier-based navy with light cruisers as escorts. .. That's because vanilla kind of forces you to pick a main ship and screen due to how naval doctrines are arranged

interesting ! ! (i did the same combos in my DD test game.)

TheBromgrev: ...Ever since SF fixed .. carrier-based navies will murder any surface fleet not protected by land-based interceptors.

it's a shame that doesn't work in DD :LOL:

thanks for the info ! ! :cool:
 
Before starting the 'experimental carriers', I made some calculations and I came to the conclusion that it is more worthwhile to build 5 CVLs than to build the same amount in IC*days of CVs. In HoI3, you can choose the components of the ships independently when you build them, and it will have an effect on their IC cost and construction time, but not on the practical they give. Thus if you want practical, you can build level 0 ships with the most basic equipment, get the practical and then not use them at all. That's what I did. The result was that the gained practical allowed me to build the five new Carriers in about 60% the time I believe. (I'm not exactly sure about this number though. Still, it was a significant difference.)
 
Slan: ...build 5 CVLs than to build the same amount in IC*days of CVs. .. it will have an effect on their IC cost and construction time, but not on the practical they give.

slick ! ! :)

Slan:
...not use them at all. That's what I did. .. build the five new Carriers in about 60% the time I believe.

so, did you also save net IC*days on those 5 CVs ? ? :D

net meaning that the cost of the five CVEs/CVLs was equal to or less than the savings on the CVs...

not to mention that they were built in just over/under(?) a year instead of about 2 years ! ! :cool:
 
I considered this and am interested to see how you work it out. I rejected it in favor of avoiding barbarossa until spring 1945 if possible. My focus was on securing western europe and gaining command of the sea lanes by defeating the UK. So I was defensive in the east until I achieved overwhelming technical and manufacturing superiority over the USSR. I actually avoided an invasion of Poland through serious diplomatic and espionage efforts so that by 1940 they were an ally. This is historically possible if the diplomacy worked to show that the USSR was a greater threat. The USSR collapsed in under 4 weeks when I used this strategy. But in order to do this I needed to start building a superior navy in 1936 including aircraft carriers and looking for a decisive naval battle in 1941-early 42 to defeat the UK. Without the UK as a base the USA is impotent and unable to project power in Europe. This then leaves 3 years for Germany to build up under a war economy and USSR building up under a peace time economy. The mismatch by 1945 is profound and Germany ends up in control of Europe with minimal casualties. Obviously I don't think this would have happened in the real world because Hitler was insane.
 
Nice AAR. Looking forward to the next chapter. :D
 
@GhostWarrior: Well, I didn't make in-depth calculations about the gained IC*days, but I hope I came out with a net gain :) Also note that the actual Carriers I built are more modern than the ones I could have built when I started the experimental Light Carriers!

@knippk: I thought I was not the first to think of this strategy. But as I never actually saw anything like this in written form, I call dibs :D At any rate, welcome aboard, and I hope you will like the AAR! :)

@tedescooo: Welcome aboard, I hope you will also enjoy the rest of the show! And here comes the next chapter!
 
Chapter XV

In which a new character is introduced.

July 16th, 1939. Munich. The home of Hans Grübermann.

- ...and after twelve days of fighting, Copenhagen, capital of Denmark surrendered. King Christian X fled the country along with the cabinet, and General Schmidt declared martial law. - Hans turned off the radio, thus missing the rest of the broadcast about Swedish troops commencing a drill in Malmö, and the Foreign Ministry's concerns about the possible consequences in the two nations' relations.

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Top left: Christian X, King of Denmark; top right: a Brigadier General of the Wehrmacht rolls into Copenhagen after the siege is over; bottom: Major General Rudolf Schmidt, commander of the 1. Panzer-Division arrives in Copenhagen.

- That's wonderfull news! Then Wilhelm can return home soon! He will surely have so many exciting stories to tell!

- And they hopefully won't be too bloody either, with him working at the staff of his Division now - said Joachim. He was visiting Hans in Munich for the weekend. Hans wanted to introduce his fiancée: Anna Hoffmann, a young waitress at a café close to Hans' place. They've met at the café about a month ago. The girl tried to cheer up the depressed Hans, and they quickly fell in love. The three were having dinner in Hans' appartment.

- Oh, I would love to meet this Wilhelm fellow! Hans told me so much about him and his adventures in Spain. - Anna was very easy to get excited. A charming attribute for such a nice young lady. - And your other friend, Martin, too! It's such a shame he couldn't have come with you, Joachim! We had such a lovely weekend!

- Indeed. Well, I'm afraid I won't be able to visit you again until next month though. Work is pileing up and I doubt I could get even one day off except for the weekend. We are still at war after all.

- True, but surely not for long! The British and French can't even hope to breach our defences on the border. There's hardly any reason for them to continue the hostilities. Unless they manage to make an invasion from the sea, that is.

- You know, I'm not that much of a military strategist, but even with their enormous navy, the British couldn't really stage an invasion of Germany. With Copenhagen fallen, the Baltic Sea is out of the question for an invasion. The only place they could attempt a landing is in Denmark, or Northern Germany. We surely have enough forces to defend those beaches, don't we? Not to mention that the ships we are building at the Deutsche Werke will be ready in about four month, and then the Kriegsmarine will finally have the chance strike back!

- You are right of course. Anyway, back to Wilhelm. What's the quickest way to reach him? Can you call a soldier on the front?...


*** *** *** *** ***​

July 18th, 1939. Munich, Hans' place.

- Hallo? It's Hans Grübermann.

- Hans? It's Wilhelm! I'm on leave for three days. I'm visiting my family in Munich, and I thought I could drop by at your place.

- Oh, it's wonderful! I wanted to ask you anyway, but it is pretty much impossible to reach someone in the army!

- As it should be. I'll arrive tomorrow, at 18:00. You can expect me at 18:30 at your home if that's fine with you.

- That would be great! I have to introduce you to someone! We will cook supper, by the time you arrive!

- That sounds fine. What about the others? Do you think it would be possible inviting them, too?

- Well, not really... Martin and Joachim live in Berlin and both have to work, so they won't have time for a trip here.

- And Erhard? - Wilhelm didn't hear about Erhard's incident yet.

- Ohm... - Hans paused for a while. - We hadn't really hear about him in a month now...

- That's not like him at all. Any idea what happened?

- He was taken away by some state policemen!

- That's exactly like him...

- What do you mean?!

- We'll discuss this when I get there. See you tomorrow! - Wilhelm hung up the telephone. This really wasn't something you discuss over the phone.


*** *** *** *** ***​

July 18th, 1939. Munich, the Grübermann Residence.

- Anna, this is Captain Wilhelm von Walsrode. Wilhelm, this is my fiancée, Anna Hoffmann.

- It's my pleasure to meet such a beautiful young lady! Your fiancé definitely does have a very good taste! - said Wilhelm while kissing the hand of Anna, who blushed completely.

- Oh, my!... - said Anna, covering his mouth with his hands.

- Please, Wilhelm, would you mind not seducing my bride to be? Women can't resist a tall man in a uniform, and on top of that, you need to be unbearably charming as well...

- Oh, don't be such a stupid boy, Hans! You know how much I love you! - Anna was trying to placate Hans. The man always became aggrieved very easily.

- You don't need to worry, my friend. The Wehrmacht is my life, having a women needing my attention would be too much of a burden. Not to mention the worry I would bound to cause to my hypothetical wife when I go to war. If all army men were to be bachelors, this would be a better World.

They were talking in Hans' living room, and at that point, the telephone in the hall started to ring.

- Excuse me for a moment! - said Hans and he went out to the hall to pick up the phone. - Yes? Hans Grübermann speaking... Yes. Yes, he is here. A moment, please! - he put down the phone and went back to the living room - Wilhelm! It's for you.

- Who is it? - Wilhelm was surprised.

- He said he is from your unit. He said it is urgent.

- Alright. - Wilhelm went out to the hall and picked up the phone. - Yes?... Ah, Otto! How may I help you?... What? Why? - there was a long pause here - You mean... - another long pause - I understand. I'm on my way! - he put down the telephone and went back to the couple.

- You will both have to excuse me. It was a pleasure meeting you, ma'am, but I have to go now. My leave has just been revoked.

- So soon? But you just arrived! - Anna liked Wilhelm already and she wanted to get to know him better - I was hoping that you would stay for a few days at least!

- I'm terribly sorry, ma'am, but duty calls. I am to return to Kiel immediately. You might consider turning on the radio for the evening news. Good night!

Later that evening Hans and Anna learned from the radio that the German Reich declared war on Sweden after the Scandinavian country failed to cease the military drills in Malmö.


*** *** *** *** ***​

July 20th, 1939. Berlin. Herr Schulz's office in the Deutsche Werke.

- Good day, Herr Strauss! I asked you here because of a new contract we just accepted. - Herr Schulz, Joachim's direct superior was head of the Resources Department, responsible for the purchase of all needed material for the projects of the company. - As you might know from the news, there was a major naval engagement between the Swedish Navy and the Kriegsmarine, resulting in two Cruisers being heavily damaged. We aquired the contract to repair these ships in our Köngsberg subdivision. I'll send you there to oversee the purchase of the required material.

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Naval battle between the Kriegsmarine and the Swedish Navy.

- Yes, Sir.

- The whole business shouldn't last longer than a few weeks, or maybe a month. Don't mess this up, Strauss! I was told that if we perform well in this assignment, we might get the contract for the five new Münich-class Cruisers, scheduled to be launched in September! With the Carriers commissioned in November, that new contract would provide our living for another year!

- That would be wonderful, Sir. - Herr Schulz was of the easily excitable kind, like Anna, Hans' fiancée. Joachim started to wonder if they could have any relation.

- By the way, any news about your friend, Erhard? He's such a bright young lad, we could use his talent for the Cruisers. He has some kind of gift to calculate trajectories! I could arrange for a transfer for him to the development department. It's such a shame he's on vacation for so long! Or is he ill? I can't remember... - Joachim hesitated for a moment. He didn't really know what to say...

- I'm sorry, Sir, but I'm afraid, Erhard won't come back to the Deutsche Werke. He was hired by the Rheinmetall. They offered him a significantly higher salary. - It's not nice to lie to your boss, but it was the easiest way out.

- Oh, such a shame. Anyway, I may have good news for you, too! When the Carriers will be commissioned, they will need a team of specialists to keep them in tip-top shape. This team would need engineers, hull melding workers and such, but it will also need clerks repsonsible for the materials used in maintenance or repairs. Well, your name has come up. Unless you have a better offer from the Rheinmetall as well...

- No, Sir, definitely not! - The words of Martin echoed in Joachim's mind... - I would gladly accept such an opportunity!


*** *** *** *** ***​

July 22th, 1939. Berlin. The Ministry of Propaganda and Enlightment. Martin was sitting at his desk, and reading the most recent reports from Sweden. Resistance in the North was similar to the one in Poland: minimal, even where there was any. Karlshamn to the west of the port of Karlskrona was captured within a day, and so was Malmö. The drilling military unit already left the city by the time the 1. and 2. Panzer-Divisions arrived, Malmö was captured without a fight. The first actual land battle between the two armies took place in Karlskrona on July 21th, and it proved that the Swedish Army was completely and utterly unprepared for the German offensive. The battle only lasted a day, and capturing that port provided a much needed supply route for the invading forces.

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Progress made by the Wehrmacht during the first days of the Swedish Campaign.


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Different troops of the Swedish Army on a military drill in January, 1939. Top and bottom left: Swedish ski-troops, specialized in mountain warfare with their winter-equipment; top right: the Stridsvagn m/37 Light Tank of the Swedish Army, which didn't get past prototype stage and never used on the battlefield; bottom right: a Bofors 37 mm Anti-Tank Gun, developed in Sweden and sold to many nations in Europe, but never put to any use in Sweden against Germany.

The Swedish Air Force was also no match for the Luftwaffe. Unlike the offensive in Poland, this time the German Fighters were providing cover for the advancing units, so the (completely outdated) Fiat B.R. bombers used by them were no threat to the Wehrmacht. And neither were their Hawkers Hart fighter aircraft. The Seversky J-9 fighters never made it past the prototype stage, so they couldn't contribute to the war.

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Top left: the outdated Fiat B.R., the backbone of the Swedish bomber forces; top right: the Hawkers Hart, forming most of the Swedish fighter squadrons; bottom left: the Junkers Ju 86, purchased from the German Junkers company in small quantities; bottom right: the most modern Swedish fighter aircraft, the Seversky J-9, which didn't saw any combat during the war.

The only real opponent was the Swedish Navy. Having such a long coast, Sweden built its defensive strategy around maintaining a (relatively) strong navy, defending from invasions. Which turned out to be a logical approach, as the German invasion was comming mainly from the sea. The Swedish 1st Squadron made two attempts at fending off the German invaders while still at sea, and they were defeated twice. Their second attempt costed the Kriegsmarine the 4. Zerstörergeschwader flotille, but all the planned invasion forces were already on Swedish soil, so the Nordseeflotte could return to port for repairs.

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Center: the HMS Sverige, flagship of the Swedish Navy; top left: Swedish sailors prepare to engage enemy aircraft; top right: the HMS Gotland, a Gotland-class cruiser of the Swedish Navy.

"It's all nice and well, but how will I write a patriotic article about all this?..." - tought Martin to himself. He was disturbed in his musings by the telephone.

- Yes?

- Hi, it's Joachim!

- I'm afraid if this is not related to the war in Sweden and how I will write a patriotic article about them not really putting up a defence to speak of, then I'm not interested, sorry.

- Well, it might not be related to Sweden, but it is to Scandinavia! Finland surrendered!

- Yeah? So what?...

- I told you the Soviets are not suited for conquering the World! They couldn't even handle Finland!

- Really? - Martin counted in his head for a bit - The war lasted twelve days. Defeating your enemy in less than two weeks is not that bad if you ask me...

- Yes, but all they recieved was a stripe of land a few kilometers wide with no real value. Hardly impressive.

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The resulting peace after the Finnish Summer War.

- Tell that to the men who live there.

- Isn't that your job?

- If they were citizens of the German Reich, it would be.

- Well, at the rate we are going right now, they might be very soon...

- Alright, did you want to say anything actually important, or did you only want to annoy me?

- B, I guess... Alright, I'll let you get back to your work, but only on one condition!

- And what would that be?

- Next weekend you come with me to visit Hans and his lovely fiancée!

- Agreed. Now leave me alone, please.

- Bye!

After putting down the phone, Martin started to wonder about Finland. The lack of resistance on Sweden's side is not a good source of patriotism. Unless it has a patriotic, or at least anti-communist reason! Finland was lucky to get away with, as Joachim put it, a stripe of useless land. But the people living in Viipuri and the surrounding land will have to suffer the tyranic rule of the Bolsheviks! And if Finland was out of the way, who would be next on the list of nations to be wiped from the face of the Earth only to fuel Stalin's vision of worldwide revolution? Sweden, obviously! To prevent that fate, it is the sacred duty of the German Reich to defend the Swedish people from the horror of International Communism! Probably even the Swedish themselves realize that, but they can't openly ally with Germany in fear of an attack from the Western Allies, now at war with the Reich! It is bright as day: the whole war in Sweden is only faked in order to convince the Allies and the Soviets that Sweden is only a victim of circumstances, while in fact they want to be brought under the protective umbrella of the Axis! Brilliant!


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another nice installment and a pleasant surprise to see someone actually going for Sweden. this means, of course, that Norway will be next. what about Finland? stretch the border with SU a bit?
 
another nice installment and a pleasant surprise to see someone actually going for Sweden. this means, of course, that Norway will be next. what about Finland? stretch the border with SU a bit?

Stretching the border with the Soviets would actually favour them. No that it would be that long of a border, but still. Finland can wait.
 
Slan: ...Joachim was visiting Hans in Munich for the weekend. Hans wanted to introduce his fiancée: Anna Hoffmann,

yes ! ! the plot thickens ! !

Slan: ...- He was taken away by some state policemen! .. - That's exactly like him... (not) something you discuss over the phone.

so very true ! !

Slan:
...I'll arrive tomorrow, at 18:00. You can expect me at 18:30 .. - Anna, this is Captain Wilhelm von Walsrode. Wilhelm, this is my fiancée, Anna Hoffmann. .. the telephone in the hall started to ring. .. - He said he is from your unit. He said it is urgent. .. My leave has just been revoked. .. I am to return to Kiel immediately.

yep ! ! that is the way the military operates ! ! :rolleyes:

Slan:
...- By the way, any news about your friend, Erhard? .. Joachim .. didn't really know what to say... - He was hired by the Rheinmetall.

quick thinking ! ! ::bravo::

Slan:
...- I told you the Soviets are not suited for conquering the World! They couldn't even handle Finland! .. The war lasted twelve days. .. - Yes, but all they recieved was a stripe of land a few kilometers wide with no real value. Hardly impressive. .. The resulting peace after the Finnish Summer War. - Tell that to the men who live there.

ahh, what a difference a few months makes ! ! any idea on Soviet casualties in that Summer War ? ?

btw, i remember reading that those Finish people who lived in Viipuri evacuated to the west to remain in Finland ! ! all of them ! ! :D

Slan:
...Stretching the border with the Soviets would actually favour them. .., but still. Finland can wait.

would not Finland be a useful Ally ? ? ;)

excellent update ! ! :cool:
 
@GhostWriter: With HoI3s weather system, I'm not really sure if Winter would have changed that much. It does hurt, but not that bad... I have no idea about Soviet casualties, but in twelve days, they can't be that high. Anyway, the important thing is that the Red Army couldn't out-blitz the Wehrmacht! :D

About Finland, they would be a useful ally, but that will hardly happen. In HoI3, you can only join a faction if you are close enough on the Diplomatic Triangle, and they are much closer to the Allies than to the Axis. (They are aligning towards us, but that may still take a long time.) I would gladly form a normal alliance with them, but unfortunately they wouldn't accept :(

@Everyone concerned: I wish you all a merry Christmas! :)
 
@GhostWriter: With HoI3s weather system, I'm not really sure if Winter would have changed that much. It does hurt, but not that bad... I have no idea about Soviet casualties, but in twelve days, they can't be that high. Anyway, the important thing is that the Red Army couldn't out-blitz the Wehrmacht! :D

About Finland, they would be a useful ally, but that will hardly happen. In HoI3, you can only join a faction if you are close enough on the Diplomatic Triangle, and they are much closer to the Allies than to the Axis. (They are aligning towards us, but that may still take a long time.) I would gladly form a normal alliance with them, but unfortunately they wouldn't accept :(

@Everyone concerned: I wish you all a merry Christmas! :)

merry X-mas to everyone on the forum and at PI.
 
Slan: With HoI3s weather system, I'm not really sure if Winter would have changed that much. .. in twelve days...

i would think that Paradox would have kept the IRL Red Army casualty amount of about a quarter million if it had been winter, but no way to do that in twelve days of summer ! ! :rolleyes:

that said, please realize that the Soviets now have a quarter million MORE troops than they did historically ! ! :eek:

Slan: ...About Finland, they would be a useful ally... (They are aligning towards us, but that may still take a long time.) I would gladly form a normal alliance with them, but...

methinks that their not-so-friendly neighbor to their south will assist in that endeavor ! !

in my test game of DD, IIRC, the percentage of them accepting was 12 %, so i thinks, "bummer, guess i will have to spend a bunch of time on this." but, they accepted membership in the Axis at that time. (not even one influence was used ! ! :wacko: )

Slan: ...I wish you all a merry Christmas! :)

agree ! ! merry Christmas ALL ! ! :cool:


Enewald:
Civilians were evacuated from Karelia. We were not cruel enough to leave anyone behind to the Soviets...

i was shocked, then pleased, when i first read about that evacuation ! ! (earlier this year.) i still am impressed ! ! :D
 
@Enwald: Finland might have evacuated civilians historically, but Martin doesn't necessarely know that. And he works for the Ministry of Propaganda anyway. His job is to fire up the German hearts, not to tell them the exact truth!

@GhostWriter: HoI3 is different from HoI2 in a lot of inconvinient aspects, unfortunately. One of them is the utter incompetence of the Soviet Union. But by the time I get to them, I might upgrade to 2.04 (if it becomes official and my save will be compatible), and in that case, they will get a very important buff (kind of). Another one of them is that in HoI3, alliances and factions are two completely different things. The AI will be pretty reluctant to join in an Alliance with a faction-leader (like Germany), but in order to join a faction, you have to meet certain creteria, which Finland does not meet. (Nor does Romania, but that part might change with the patch. Or not.)

@Everyone: I started working on the next chapter, but it might take some time. Still, I plan to post it this year ;)