“Full control” blocked by holy orders

[mikkelhoegh]

There are some decisions that requires “Full control” of an area, like reforming the Roman Empire or becoming the Saoshyant (Zoroastrian messiah).

However, if you have any holy orders in your lands, those Castles/Temples cause you to officially not have full control. The only way to be able to fulfill the requirement is to expel the holy order, which gives a permanent malus, and prevents future use of the HO (and destroys it if, like the Persian empire, there are no other places they could settle).

This is especially annoying for the Saoshyant decision, since you have to form the Persian Empire first, and the reward for doing that is the very powerful Immortals HO.

So currently, to become the prophesied messiah of the Persian people, you have to destroy its most holy order of warriors and defenders of the realm first.

I sincerely hope that wasn't intentional.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Moved to the correct forum.

 

[Sdaeriji]

Give the holy order a duchy and vassalize them.

 

[ParrotGuy]

Or just use county claim casus bellies on them.

 

[balmung60]

Actually, you shouldn't even need to do that for the Immortals. So long as you're Persian, Zoroastrian, and the emperor of Persia, the Immortals should simply accept an offer to vassalize them diplomatically, no trouble.

 

[mikkelhoegh]

These are nice workarounds, but I don't get why you don't think this is a bug.

A religious order you could eject at will at any time should not block “Full control”.

 

[balmung60]

What I was proposing wasn't even a workaround, it's just straight up asking them to accept vassalage, which they will (I mean, maybe not if they absolutely loathe you or something, but that's rather unlikely), because you're an emperor of the same culture and religion and they're next to/in your territory. Bam, full control AND an annexed Holy Order, making them even cheaper to use.

Though if you're really determined to not vassalize them or consider it a bug, keep in mind, "full control" means "FULL control". If someone else controls any part of the territory, you don't have full control, do you?

 

[VienLa]

These are nice workarounds, but I don't get why you don't think this is a bug.

A religious order you could eject at will at any time should not block “Full control”.

Tell that to the Teutonic Knights.

 

[mikkelhoegh]

Yeah, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, my dynasty is Kurdish, so they refuse annexation :/

 

[Lord_P]

Yeah, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, my dynasty is Kurdish, so they refuse annexation :/

I believe the correct answer to a situations like this is simple: cheating.

 

[alscon]

I don't know if it is still possible, but if the Grandmaster of a Holy Order died, it did generate claimants in the HO's court. They didn't change culture, so you were able to invite them to court, land them and press their claim on the HO. That way, my Norse Saoshyant got his Immortals vassalized. I don't know if this still works though.

 

[Asphyxion]

I don't know if it is still possible, but if the Grandmaster of a Holy Order died, it did generate claimants in the HO's court. They didn't change culture, so you were able to invite them to court, land them and press their claim on the HO. That way, my Norse Saoshyant got his Immortals vassalized. I don't know if this still works though.

It works, I just pressed a claim on the Knights of Calatrava today. The Duke of Aragon is also the Grandmaster as of now.