Flashes and Eagles: An Alternative Cold War

[tyman323]

I have some politicians from Polish exile governent, and PRL opposition. Maybe is not much, but most of our conservative elite died in war and after in communist Poland

Far right/fascist flavour
-Bolesław Piasecki-He was a leader of Polish fascist organization "Falanga"
-Jędrzej Giertych -Polish national-democratic politician and diplomat (http://www.owp.nazwa.pl/owp/images/stories/Jedrzej Giertych.jpg)
-Jan Ostoja Matłachowski-Nationalist politician who was one of the nationalists partisants leader in IIWW (http://www.onr.czyz.org/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/matlachowski.jpg)

Far right/national-democrats
- Zygmunt Goławski-Nationalist soldier and anti-communist activist
-Leon Mirecki- nationalistic partisant, POV (http://poznan.mw.org.pl/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Leon-Mirecki.jpg)
-Franciszek Cymbarewicz- Nationalist general (http://www.wofitm.wp.mil.pl/plik/image/Komendanci_WOFiTM/Cymbarewicz.jpg)
-Józef Kossecki-Cibernetist and Nationalist politician (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iibAgwp0K...AHfw/qKZinMXpe5U/s1600/maxresdefault+(1).jpg)
- Kazimierz Studentowicz-Politician and POV (http://www.1944.pl/img/wikibio/42920/Kazimierz_Studentowicz_1.jpg)
-Tadeusz Bielecki-Nationalist politician, Roman Dmowski's political mate (http://www.poczytaj.pl/okl/27000/27864.jpg)

Right wing/just conservative democrats
-Leszek Moczulski-Conservatist polititian in PRL (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Leszek_Moczulski_1978_1980.jpg)
-Jan Tomasz Zamoyski-Conservatist politician and royal
-Wiesław Chrzanowski-Conservatist and lawyer (http://old2013.ecs.gda.pl/images/photos/134b058efc89c7b/big.jpg)
-Olgierd Donimirski-Conservatist from Pommerania (http://thumbnail.myheritageimages.c...5/505321_8145342rx434f4zkd7149z_D_208x256.JPG

Thanks! thats really helpful, do you have any Idea for flavor events for Poland?

whats with the Balkans Tyman? Primarily with Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia?

I'm not to sure, the AI never invaded Yugoslavia but never allied with it, Either I could split them up into independent states (possible collapse under pressure in the 60s) or have a united Yugoslavia.

What about other South American governments?

Most of them are going to have ministers from OTL, but have different allegiances, however the only countries to have different support is Chile (China) and Brazil (Britannia) every one else is either neutral (Bolivia, Uruguay, Paraguay, Ecuador, and Peru) or American Allied (Argentina, Columbia, and Venezuela, and Guyana. Columbia and Guyana are directly allied with the WCO (Western-hemisphere Cooperation Organization.)

just an FYI, for the next week or so, progress will be slow, as I A. have some video projects that need to be completed for school. and B. I have some you tube stuff I want to finish. However please keep up the support and Ideas, as I will keep track of them all and I do have a lot of time for event and graphic making, so I will also be still posting regularly

 

[Xie]

Paraguay could be pro-Britannia considering the Nazi and Fascist tendencies of the Stroessner regime OTL.

Also anyone has any alternate rightist dictators for Chile and Argentina if Britannia invades them? For Argentina junta I suggest moderate members of the Junta OTL to highlight pressure to democratize and the more extreme Junta members OTL could be a puppet cabinet if Britain wins any war over Falklands. Not sure about Chile.

And apparently you said that in your Grand Campaign run the UK-US relations are worse. Why? Did the UK recognize the CSA or something in your TL, but the Union wins and the relations are forever strained as a result. IIRC US-UK relations warmed in 1870s-1880s to more cordial relations by 20th century.

Also Canada is a puppet, or a part of US. If it is puppet call it republic of Canada and Canadian forces if there is civil war can form dominion of Canada. But who should be HOS of Republic of Canada? I'm thinking of maybe a prime minister, don't know who. Through the position of Prime Minister maybe could remain as HOG

 

[tyman323]

Paraguay could be pro-Britannia considering the Nazi and Fascist tendencies of the Stroessner regime OTL.

Also anyone has any alternate rightist dictators for Chile and Argentina if Britannia invades them? For Argentina junta I suggest moderate members of the Junta OTL to highlight pressure to democratize and the more extreme Junta members OTL could be a puppet cabinet if Britain wins any war over Falklands. Not sure about Chile.

And apparently you said that in your Grand Campaign run the UK-US relations are worse. Why? Did the UK recognize the CSA or something in your TL, but the Union wins and the relations are forever strained as a result. IIRC US-UK relations warmed in 1870s-1880s to more cordial relations by 20th century.

I had this in my AAR, I finished the WW2 section of the Campaign before I got into it, so I discontinued it. But I imagined that the U.K policy towards the U.S up until the end of the civil war was to bring the U.S back into tow, and later event, such as the Irish invasion of Canada (much bigger in this TL and will be a flavor event) and U.K invasion of Haiti during the Spanish american war. In general, In this TL the U.K was just more focused on defeating the United States and/or making sure it didn't become a great power.

 

[Magdaleno]

Thanks! thats really helpful, do you have any Idea for flavor events for Poland?

1.If you would choose Piasecki as HoS, that you could make event about his death and choosing new leader. He died in 1979 so that could good.
2.Some events about socialist agitations.
3.Event about anti-government riots. just like was in communist Poland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_1976_protests
4.Event about building a metro in Warsaw. (We don't have good metro even in present time ;D)
5.Event about Billy's Graham's trip to Poland which was a big event in Polish People's Republic in 1978 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjoMMZFxwgU)
6.Event about creation of nationalistic organization Zjednoczenie Patriotyczne "Grunwald" (National Assembly "Grunwald") http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zjednoczenie_Patriotyczne_Grunwald
7.I see that in your map Poland has Lviv, so you could make event about match between "Czarni Lwów" And for example Górnik Zabrze. That could be nice for many Polish paradoxians
8.I see we Poland has Silesia in your Mod. So maybe you could make event about creation of some german minority association? German minority in Poland is the biggest in our country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_minority_in_Poland

That's all for now i could edit it later if you want

 

[tyman323]

1.If you would choose Piasecki as HoS, that you could make event about his death and choosing new leader. He died in 1979 so that could good.
2.Some events about socialist agitations.
3.Event about anti-government riots. just like was in communist Poland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_1976_protests
4.Event about building a metro in Warsaw. (We don't have good metro even in present time ;D)
5.Event about Billy's Graham's trip to Poland which was a big event in Polish People's Republic in 1978 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjoMMZFxwgU)
6.Event about creation of nationalistic organization Zjednoczenie Patriotyczne "Grunwald" (National Assembly "Grunwald") http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zjednoczenie_Patriotyczne_Grunwald
7.I see that in your map Poland has Lviv, so you could make event about match between "Czarni Lwów" And for example Górnik Zabrze. That could be nice for many Polish paradoxians
8.I see we Poland has Silesia in your Mod. So maybe you could make event about creation of some german minority association? German minority in Poland is the biggest in our country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_minority_in_Poland

That's all for now i could edit it later if you want

What do you think? also Will use all of those and keep 'em coming if you can.

 

[tyman323]

Another one, will you be master of Europa? Will you make Europe a nation?

 

[Gukpa]

Another one, will you be master of Europa? Will you make Europe a nation?

Make one with the status of asia (don't forget the Swangs ^^ )

 

[UNSC Trooper]

Very nice events you've written there. I can't wait to try my hand at some event writing when the upload comes along as well. Haven't written events, or done any modding, in months.

Anyway, been thinking about the Order of Battle a bit. Britannia's army should, needless to say, be pretty massive -- I envision perhaps 80 or so starting divisions for it. 50 would maybe be stationed at home, while the rest would be stationed 1) on the beaches of France 2) in Eastern Europe to counter a potential Russian resurgence (in Romania and Poland especially), and a few, meaning 1 or 2, in Japan as advisors for modernizing Japan's military.

Also, you should use more modern, colored images for events, since this is 1975.

Make one with the status of asia (don't forget the Swangs ^^ )

Who could forget the Swags?

 

[Magdaleno]

What do you think? also Will use all of those and keep 'em coming if you can.

Nice event dude I hope that you will continue your work. I will edit my post above in future

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Also Poland is kingdom or just autocratic-republic?

 

[Adonnus]

This looks great. Can I ask what happened to Nazi Germany (did Mosely keep it alive somehow?)

 

[tyman323]

Very nice events you've written there. I can't wait to try my hand at some event writing when the upload comes along as well. Haven't written events, or done any modding, in months.

Anyway, been thinking about the Order of Battle a bit. Britannia's army should, needless to say, be pretty massive -- I envision perhaps 80 or so starting divisions for it. 50 would maybe be stationed at home, while the rest would be stationed 1) on the beaches of France 2) in Eastern Europe to counter a potential Russian resurgence (in Romania and Poland especially), and a few, meaning 1 or 2, in Japan as advisors for modernizing Japan's military.

Also, you should use more modern, colored images for events, since this is 1975.



Who could forget the Swags?

The event pic was old because I couldn't find any thing similar in color, but most pics are of modern or colored origin. Also the only problem with the battle of order is that Britannia and Japan aren't allies, as Japan is Isolated in the Pacific and Britannia cares little for the alliance it had in the past, most forces would be in Africa and India, as well as Borneo as a war is going on their between Communists and British forces that occupied it once Indonesian left the Dutch in the 50s

Nice event dude I hope that you will continue your work. I will edit my post above in future

edit:
Also Poland is kingdom or just autocratic-republic?

Poland is a kingdom, part of the Britannic monarch, but it has more freedom than most Europe seeing as it joined the war on their side once the soviets got involved.

This looks great. Can I ask what happened to Nazi Germany (did Mosely keep it alive somehow?)

Germany never went to the right, it did have a SD government that was isolationist for the most part, but once Mosley came a knocking, it was clear that Germany was doomed, for the past years after the war, the name Germany was a region, not a country, as now its divided into three areas.

 

[mrmastro]

Really cool mod. Looking forward. When I will have ideas for Poland I post it in this thread.:blush:

 

[Magdaleno]

Poland is a kingdom, part of the Britannic monarch, but it has more freedom than most Europe seeing as it joined the war on their side once the soviets got involved.

so when is something like that, the best candidate for king/regent of Poland, should be http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Tomasz_Zamoyski] Jan Tomasz Zamoyski because his father was pretender for polish throne. of course there are many usurpers that claim thePolish trhone today but Zamoyski was the only true pretender

 

[Gukpa]

This three Germoneys, what are their names and ideologies?

 

[Razgriz 2K9]

Should note that there was already a Second Chilean Civil War. The first was in 1829-1830, while the second was in 1891. Technically it was three if you consider the 1851 Revolution to be a Civil War.

 

[LouiST]

Is Yuan Shikai the founder of the Chinese Empire? I am curious about the history of this China

 

[tyman323]

Really cool mod. Looking forward. When I will have ideas for Poland I post it in this thread.:blush:

Thanks for the support, also I will be waiting for those Ideas!

so when is something like that, the best candidate for king/regent of Poland, should be Jan Tomasz Zamoyski because his father was pretender for polish throne. of course there are many usurpers that claim thePolish trhone today but Zamoyski was the only true pretender

Cool, origonally he was going to be just a British person on the throne, but this makes sense for the direction I'm going in, so how would he be styled. (like how British monarch is H.R.H (his royal Highness) Richard IV.

This three Germoneys, what are their names and ideologies?

One State is the Rhine, pretty much their to make sure the future Germany will have to duke it out with some post fall states. second is Hanover, the old state that had ties to the British resurrected and given lots of territories in the north, Denmark will also get lots of northern Germany territory. in the south is the Southern German Confederation (Austria and Bavaria) while Tiny Prussia lives on in oppression.

Should note that there was already a Second Chilean Civil War. The first was in 1829-1830, while the second was in 1891. Technically it was three if you consider the 1851 Revolution to be a Civil War.

noted I'll use the Third title as the revolution is just that.

Is Yuan Shikai the founder of the Chinese Empire? I am curious about the history of this China

Indeed, I'll explain it later.

 

[warpedmind]

i am highly interested in this project. please dont give up

i volunteer for bugfinding if the alpha is playable

 

[tyman323]

Preview for the first BS in this mod:
1982: British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher is at the height of her power, ruling Britannia and her possessions in Europe and Africa with an Iron fist, as well as conquering the mind of the young king William V (not OTL William, but the son of Edward's son). Nevertheless, India has fallen from grace and has sense went to the American side, while Ceylon still remains in British hands. Only two real place shows British power in Asia, Hong Kong and Macao.
late 1982: China and Britannia both bring up the lease questions on both areas, and U.S president Gary Hart, former vice president under Bobby Kennedy, attempts to keep the negotiations on track, with little to no luck.
Early 1983: the negations first deadlock, then end after Chinese Prime Minister Chiang Ching-kuo declares the leases invalid, and states that the Imperial Chinese Army could "Walk in, and take the whole lot this afternoon". Character orders a massive rearmament of the Hong Kong Garrison, as well as the creation of a military plan for war with China over the area.
Late May 1983: Convinced that war is inevitable, China plans to launch a swift attack against the British fortifications while the reinforcements are only half way across the sea, and a quick and bloodless victory. Their thinking is strengthened by Australasia's lack of support for London.
June 1st 1983, the Imperial Chinese Army launches a full frontal assault on Hong Kong Macao and other areas of British control in China. While the Macao garrison (mostly European troops from the east) is overwhelmed and looks to be in retreat, the Hong Kong garrison is standing strong, mostly due to the unexpected armor units their, China runs mechanized units from the north to the south, as the rest of its border hold no fighting. The only other country to act is Thailand, as the Royal Thai Army launches a thrust into Malaysia, and sets its sights on capturing the port of Singapore. Halfway into the day, South African Forces launch a counter offensive onto the Island of Taiwan to gain a naval and aerial strong point over China. The U.S recalls its ambassador from both nations and send a large naval task force to the sea of China.

Who will be the strongest, who's influence will fall, who will take:
The Pearl of the Orient.​

(the Map and Battle of Order will be greatly increased over time, eventually including Malaysia, Thailand, and Indochina.

 

[Magdaleno]

More events for Poland:
-I guess that in your timeline John Paul II haven't become pope, so i think that you can make event about his succession in election for Polish Primate, the highest post in Polish Catholic Church. This event would happend in 1981 after death of Stefan Wyszyński.

-event about speeches of priest Jerzy Popiełuszko who was some kind of man of the people, he was loved by many poles in 80'. He was killed by communists so in your timeline he won't die and continue his activity. (maybe ironically as some left-wing pro social priest )

-event about martyr death of Wojciech Jaruzelski . He would be killed by some Ukrainian terrorists in revenge of pacification of some Ukrainian terrorist division in Lviv, in our's history we have some kind of that operations. Like Operation Vistula . In real timeline Jaruzelski was vilified because his decision of introducion of Martial law.

-event about new Kamil Baczynski's poem's book. Baczynski was polish soldier and poet that died in Warsaw uprising so in your time line he would become famous poet.

That's all for now. I'm waiting for rate