De Jure Requirement - Game Rule

[kmh42]

What does this do and how exactly does it work?
I did a search in the forums and got this:

De jure Requirement: Default/Required. On default, nothing changes, but with “Required” characters who hold titles which have de jure land will eventually lose the title if they don’t hold any of the de jure land.

E: It's a chance on death. Title is destroyed. You get a strong claim on the area.

I did a test setup. I booted up the 769 start date with this game rule on. I gave the titles d_fes to an random Eastern European pagan and killed him... and his successor... and the next ten successors. But the titles still is held by this pagan lord. Do I misunderstand something here?

 

[Lycrist Katkiller]

ähm. if I understand it correctly

it is possible to hold a duchy on default without holding de jure countries in it
for example if you start as King of León but get kicked out from there by the muslims you will even stay King of León if your last titles is a random country in Ireland. On required you would loose that King titles and became a count

at least that's what i think

 

[Azuraal]

If character holds title but not any dejure land in it, after around 10 years event will trigger which will remove it from him and give strong claim.

 

[kmh42]

after around 10 years event

Where did you can this info concerning the 10 years?

 

[kmh42]

If character holds title but not any dejure land in it, after around 10 years event will trigger which will remove it from him and give strong claim.

You are right. I let a observer game running for 10 years and this title got destroyed without the death of the ruler.

 

[Azuraal]

Where did you can this info concerning the 10 years?

If I remember correctly it's in event description.

 

[Lycrist Katkiller]

but who got the claim for the title that got destroyed? or did the holder of the title which was destroyed got claims for the counties in his duchy?

 

[kmh42]

but who got the claim for the title that got destroyed? or did the holder of the title which was destroyed got claims for the counties in his duchy?

Just the previous holder of the title lost it and got a claim.

 

[Humanoid Typhoon]

Love this game rule. I've been using it since the release of TRD. It gets really tedious declaring wars to un-land people that have duchys belonging to my glorious empire.

 

[Panasanos]

So how does this work with empires created with "create a new empire" button. In my recent game I started as duke of Toulouse, created Kingdom of Toulouse then created Empire of Toulouse for just for fun. And after succession I lost all of my vassals because I have ne de jure land in Empire of Toulouse! It's a created empire of course there is no de jure land. So what is the point of creating empires if I'm going to lose everything on succession. It ruined my game.

 

[Sunshine Moon]

When you create a custom empire, its de jure territory becomes all kingdoms either held or entirely controlled by you, as long as their original de jure empire does not exist. Obviously you can then de jure drift other kingdoms into its territory, if you have enough time.

 

[Panasanos]

When you create a custom empire, its de jure territory becomes all kingdoms either held or entirely controlled by you, as long as their original de jure empire does not exist. Obviously you can then de jure drift other kingdoms into its territory, if you have enough time.

I had all of the territory of kingdom of Aquitaine when i created the empire but i didn't usurp it from France because i had 4 sons and i didn't want my succession to change to gavelkind. I also could create navarra ( i didn't have the ducy of navarra). Come on then why the game let me create an empire? I was very strong and fully built power base in Toulouse, i invested a lot. I could defeat anybody around me.

 

[Karlington]

If character holds title but not any dejure land in it, after around 10 years event will trigger which will remove it from him and give strong claim.

Where did you can this info concerning the 10 years?

You are right. I let a observer game running for 10 years and this title got destroyed without the death of the ruler.

If I remember correctly it's in event description.

The time is 5 years, as the event in question (GR.1) is fired from on_five_year_pulse

Note that it can happen sooner than five years as the check is done around every five years, and is not a countdown from when the last de jure title was lost.

The event description does not specify the time:

"As you hold no De Jure land within the [title_to_destroy.GetTier] of [title_to_destroy.GetName] you can no longer rightfully claim to be its ruler. You are now regarded as a mere claimant to a throne outside your reach."

EDIT: This only affects titles with actual de jure land, so titular titles and landless titles (like mercenary bands) are unaffected.

 

[Panasanos]

The time is 5 years, as the event in question (GR.1) is fired from on_five_year_pulse

Note that it can happen sooner than five years as the check is done around every five years, and is not a countdown from when the last de jure title was lost.

The event description does not specify the time:

"As you hold no De Jure land within the [title_to_destroy.GetTier] of [title_to_destroy.GetName] you can no longer rightfully claim to be its ruler. You are now regarded as a mere claimant to a throne outside your reach."

EDIT: This only affects titles with actual de jure land, so titular titles and landless titles (like mercenary bands) are unaffected.

Thanks for your answer. When I was creating empire I thought it is gonna be like a titular empire. Game let me create an empire without any de jure land so I thought it won't be a problem. Then the game decided it wants to take back my empire because i have no de jure land in an empire which doesn't have any de jure land. It would be nice if the create an empire decision modified so people won't have problems like this in the future.

 

[jonjowett]

GR.1 can only fire when you're at peace. So, if you need time to drift a kingdom into your custom empire, don't stay at peace for too long.

 

[Poliut]

If character holds title but not any dejure land in it, after around 10 years event will trigger which will remove it from him and give strong claim.

Weird, as I've seen the 769 Duke of Transjurania lose his title if I didn't transfer the Count of Vaud to him in the opening year.