Duplicate CK III - Same faith rulers never join holy war defender

[jellyfish99]

Short summary of your issue
Same faith rulers never join holy war defender

Game Version
1.5.0.1

What OS are you playing on?
Linux

What platform are you using?
Steam

What DLC do you have installed?
Royal Court,

Do you have mods enabled?
No

Have you tried verifying your game files (Steam only)?
(DID NOT ANSWER QUESTION)

How much "pain" is this causing you?
3

Please explain the issue you experienced in the most condensed way possible
The holy war declaration indicates same faith rulers may join defender in a holy war but they do not do so (unless already allied). Rulers of the same faith should either sometimes join the defender in a holy war or the war declaration information for the player should be changed.

Please explain how to reproduce the issue
Play as a ruler with access to holy wars and declare one. Observer that only the defender and their allies join the war, but no other rulers of the same faith. Repeat.

Is there anything else you think could help us identify/replicate the issue?
This seems to be an issue only with holy wars but *great* holy wars seem to be ok.

This seems to be a long-standing issue and was discussed in some detail in this thread: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...enders-faith-does-not-appear-to-work.1510510/

There was a theory in another thread why this does not work: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-still-dont-work-right.1430301/#post-26997551

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[Emperor 1997]

It depends on the Zeal value of other AI-Rulers, if they join the war.

Only AI-Rulers with a very high zeal value joins an holy war.
So if you have a lot of independent rulers with the same faith and no one has high zeal, they do not join the war, but if you have a lot of zealous rulers, they will join holy wars.

 

[Rubidium]

It depends on the Zeal value of other AI-Rulers, if they join the war.

Only AI-Rulers with a very high zeal value joins an holy war.
So if you have a lot of independent rulers with the same faith and no one has high zeal, they do not join the war, but if you have a lot of zealous rulers, they will join holy wars.

I have literally never seen them join a war except as allies, and at least in earlier builds, the code allowing them to do so was commented out.

 

[xtremzero]

It depends on the Zeal value of other AI-Rulers, if they join the war.

Only AI-Rulers with a very high zeal value joins an holy war.
So if you have a lot of independent rulers with the same faith and no one has high zeal, they do not join the war, but if you have a lot of zealous rulers, they will join holy wars.

not true. NO AI rulers will ever join defensive holy wars because they are not programmed to do so.

 

[xtremzero]

paradox can you at least acknowledge this as a bug thanks

 

[Duke Reginald of Chutney]

There have been several reports of this issue and we've added it to our database for further review.

Thanks for the report!

 

[Emperor 1997]

not true. NO AI rulers will ever join defensive holy wars because they are not programmed to do so.

No, I have seen it in my game.
Declared a holy war and others AI rulers of the target faiths has join the war and they have had no alliance together.

 

[xtremzero]

There have been several reports of this issue and we've added it to our database for further review.

Thanks for the report!

Hi, thanks for acknowledging but I’m not seeing this in the list of known bugs from either 1.6 or prior versions?

 

[Zrux]

Hi, thanks for acknowledging but I’m not seeing this in the list of known bugs from either 1.6 or prior versions?

Took them over a year to add and fix Holy Orders not raising army for HW bug..... I just started a new game last week thinking that was the end of it. Here now cuz lo and behold..... there's still a major bug concerning HWs that completely ruins the game. I don't understand how this doesn't drive other people crazy there's no excuse for these bugs taking this long to fix. Especially HW/HO bugs in CRUSADER KINGS.

PI just isn't willing to invest the time/money to fixing their existing titles in a timely manor, while charging exorbitant amounts for underwhelming DLC and have obviously otherwise moved on to making new games/DLCs they can sell. Anyone who's games are ruined by these old as dirt bugs should file complaints with the BBB. There's only a couple rn and they couldn't give a s***.

 

[xtremzero]

Took them over a year to add and fix Holy Orders not raising army for HW bug..... I just started a new game last week thinking that was the end of it. Here now cuz lo and behold..... there's still a major bug concerning HWs that completely ruins the game. I don't understand how this doesn't drive other people crazy there's no excuse for these bugs taking this long to fix. Especially HW/HO bugs in CRUSADER KINGS.

PI just isn't willing to invest the time/money to fixing their existing titles in a timely manor, while charging exorbitant amounts for underwhelming DLC and have obviously otherwise moved on to making new games/DLCs they can sell. Anyone who's games are ruined by these old as dirt bugs should file complaints with the BBB. There's only a couple rn and they couldn't give a s***.

back after they still haven't fixed this bug AND doubled the price of their DLCs LMAO

 

[xtremzero]

There have been several reports of this issue and we've added it to our database for further review.

Thanks for the report!

is this fixed? if it's a duplicate where is the main post?