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An EBA man with shiny black hair and spectacles rises to greet President O'Floinn

"Ah, President O'Floinn, our finest man! I'm James Waterford - used to be deputy editor of The Gazette in the good old days. Sit down," he says gesturing. "Of course we could all agree to your agenda, sir, but it appears a bit vague. Any specific items you were thinking of or just to defend...um...the business community from...um...intrusions?"

"Reform taxes!" pipes up another man.

"I'll drink to that," a third says.
 
Per Olson of the Party of Liberty arrives at Carthago Nova. He asks for an appointment with the ECLU and the EHA. Brief letters are sent out to both.

To the ECLU:
As the only Libertarian party in Eutopia, we are in a position to work hardest for individual rights. We at the Party of Liberty hold individual rights in the highest possible regard and have many things in common with the ECLU.

To the EHA:
The Party of Liberty stands for full equality for homosexuals. We view homosexuality as an individual choice that cannot be infringed upon by the state. We are in a position to help fight the good fight for equality.
 
*Smith drops by SoG centre/HQ/PR office/building*

Good day to you my fellow believers, I hope you still remember me? I am trying to promote your stances within the government and whole political scene, yet there is somethign I must ask you. What is your stance toward death penalty? Are you defending it like those in USA? Or opposing it like our fellow brothers in Europe? It's quite a dillemma if you ask me.

Furthermore, I'd like to inquire wheter there are some particular actions I could take on your behalf. I was already thinking about some sort of campaign against, ehm, indecent material.
 
jcolson said:
Per Olson of the Party of Liberty arrives at Carthago Nova. He asks for an appointment with the ECLU and the EHA. Brief letters are sent out to both.

To the ECLU:
As the only Libertarian party in Eutopia, we are in a position to work hardest for individual rights. We at the Party of Liberty hold individual rights in the highest possible regard and have many things in common with the ECLU.

To the EHA:
The Party of Liberty stands for full equality for homosexuals. We view homosexuality as an individual choice that cannot be infringed upon by the state. We are in a position to help fight the good fight for equality.
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Per Olson is informed that he does not, in fact, need an appointment, but representatives can be found at the various tables. As Olson thanks the busboy, a man bumps into him whose suit has ECLU embroidered into the collar (it looks rather strange).

"Oh, hello, I understand you were looking for me..." he says. "Um, we very much appreciate your letter and certainly we'll watch your campaign very closely. If you want to discuss anything more detailed or talk about the campaign in general, I'm going off to the W.C. but feel free to sit down over there and we can talk when I come back. Also horse racing. Know anything about good stables round here?" He bustles off.
 
"I don't know any party that would better represent the ECLU than the Party of Liberty. We are the party of social and individual rights, after all." Olson tells the ECLU representative. Olson looks around for a representative from the EHA. "I would like to offer the EHA representative a guarentee that the Party of Liberty will work hard to fight against discrimination against homosexuals."
 
Stile Van Ewen flips closed her briefing documents on the Party of Liberty as Olson sits. "I don't know, Per Olson," she begins, polishing her glasses with a napkin. "Frankly, your platform has many of us at the ECLU worried. On individual rights, you certainly have the strongest rhetoric, but then again so does everyone else. I have two questions; first, what do you intend to do about entitlements, such as welfare, Omnicare insurance and Medicure health services? Second, your platform advocates maximizing decentralization and increasing provincial power to an extreme -- how will you guarantee equality, say, of education, or equal treatment of rights in all provinces?"

The EHA delegate, seated at the next table, seems to be eavesdropping on Olson's answer to the second question.

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Kurt Wagster shares a muttered conversation with his cohorts. "The death penalty question is a controversial one, Mr. Smith. Many of our constituents acknowledge 'an eye for an eye' as God's law, but we also represent many Catholics who are morally opposed to the death penalty, and many non-Catholics also feel the death penalty is antiquated by any modern standard of morality. So I feel it would be inappropriate for us to come down on one side or another in that debate. Obviously, though, we would like religious voices heard in it.

"Now, a campaign against indecency -- that captures my attention. Tell me more about what you have in mind..."
 
Cain walks into the Carthaga Nova, and sits down at the bar. He points to the representative of the Eutopian Congress of Labor, and calls to the bartender. Buy them a round of whatever they are having, compliments of me.

Shortly after their drinks arrive, Cain walks over to them.

"Gentlepers, I'm Alastar Cain, of the Eutopian Labor Party. I wondered if we might have a talk."
 
*Ian shakes his head in understandment and moves on to proposed campaign*

Every day we are bombarded with this ehm indecent material. I am not sure what other name would be fitting for it. We can see it everywhere. In television, hear it in radio...

A swift end must be called to this. It is crucial for us to put reasonable limits to this. We must impose bigger penalties on those who broadcast things that can corrupt innocent minds of our youth. Yet penalties are not sufficient, we must also start an educational campaign on these dangers of modern society. We should make parents think about what they will let their children watch. It is aswell important to put not only legal, but moral pressure of society on radios and televisions. They must understand their obligations toward our society and should themselfs decide to respect their moral limits.

Furthermore it might be worthwhile to say that we are not limiting freedom of speech or freedom of expression. Freedom of one ends where freedom of another begins. Our children can't defend theirs and so we simply must do it for them.

Our message is clear: Think of the children!
 
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After talking for a few minutes with the AFSF rep about life in the military Admiral Tulp said goodbye to him and moved on to the Royal Foundation.

"Good Afternoon and god save our Queen. I am Admiral Henry J. Tulp and I will probably be running for a position in the Legislative or Executive Branch. I have been a staunch supporter of the Her Majesty and the Monarchy as a whole and no matter what position I will be elected in I will do my upmost best to restore the Monarchy in our nation. Is there anything else I can do?"
 
*Jerome has been hovering close to the table where Olson and Van Ewen are seated for a while; finally, he can't contain himself any longer, and (ignoring generations of good breeding) butts in*

Excuse me for intruding on your conversation, but I couldn't help overhearing some of your conversation, seeing as I've been eavesdropping on it. :eek:o If I may be so bold to interject some comments? Of course, these just represent my own views, and in no way preempt comments Jeremiah here might see fit to make on behalf of the party as a whole.

Ms. Van Ewen, you ask about decentralization. No matter how much power would be devolved to the provinces, they would still be bound by the catalogue of rights and strictures enshrined in the federal constitution. Equality of rights would therefore enjoy the same protection it does now. As regards issues such as equality of education, it depends on what you mean by that. Do you mean equal rights to an education? That would, in my understanding, still fall under constitutional protection. Or do you mean equality of content? In which case, there would be no guarantee that the provinces would offer identical curricula. That would be their prerogative, as it has been for a while, and I do not realistically see this as a problem.

You also ask about entitlements. Allow me to be frank: in my view, there is no such thing as an "entitlement" in the sense you use the term. There is no "entitlement" to public health care; there is no "entitlement" to extensive welfare programmes; there is no "entitlement" to public insurance. Society is not obligated to offer any of these things, and citizens are not obligated to finance them with the fruits of their labour. People are responsible for their own fate. The only moral claim they do have on state and society is that the latter protect their life and liberty. State and society must ensure that those who have fallen on hard times can survive and get back on their feet, but it is not their responsibility to ensure that the less fortunate enjoy a comfortable lifestyle.
 
Ms. Van Ewen, not sure of Mr. Vandelft's party membership, gives Olson a very meaningful, somewhat unhappy look. She is about to start speaking, but decides to let Olson comment.
 
Mr. Zhokhyen entered Carthago Nova, and quickly headed first over to the EBA table.

"Greetings, gentlemen. How are you? I believe we of the Eutopian Nationalist Party may be able to help your association out. I have with me --"

He removes from a briefcase a few papers, and then shows them directly, pointing to a specific line.

"Our party platform states we believe in the government to be small, and taxes low. Perhaps you would like to hear some details?"
 
Colonel Bradstreet again walks into Carthago Nova. He is becoming a regular at this establishment. He goes to the bar, orders a brandy, and walks over to the table of the Eutopian Firearms Association. He sat at an empty seat and began to speak in between drinks,

Well sir. Im sure you probably remember me. I came here last time with Per Forbes to discuss your view of the Constitution. I am sure you have heard of the inclusion of the right to bear arms within the Charter of Rights. I now come as the Deputy Chairman of the Eutopian Nationalist Party. We have your interests at heart.

Bradstreet takes the last drink from his now empty glass, looks at the bartender, and pulls a few pieces of paper out from his briefcase at his side. He fumbles for a moment, receives the drink and shows the man adjacent from him the paper.

Sir, practically every member of the ENP voted in favor of Eutopian Gun Rights. They all pretty much agree that the people have the right to bear arms. Can we, that is, the ENP count on your support during this election season? I can assure you, that every and all candidates we run will of course support your issues.
 
"Ah, Admiral Tulp, welcome. As a matter of fact, there is something you can do for us." The representative smiles, almost snake-like. "I noticed you were absent at the Constitutional Convention for reasons unbeknownst to me, but perhaps you noticed a great deal of talk about referendums to allow the people to prove they in fact want a monarchy. I figure the republicans are going to attempt to do what they've done every term, and give lip service to such a referendum when asked, but then hope everyone forgets about it the rest of the time. We need someone to push for referendum here in Eutopia City, a champion, if you will. A man of action."

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The EBA reps greet Per Zhokhyen and allow him to sit. "We're always interested in details, good sir. What's good for business is good for Eutopia...what did you have in mind?"

* * * * *​

The EFA representative snorts derisively. "Yes, I saw the 'guarantee' of our rights placed in the Constitution. Forbes took a perfectly good clause with him, then as soon as O'Floinn opened his mouth Forbes voluntarily bent over the barrel and allowed a loophole-ridden disaster to be passed into our founding charter!" He pounds the table angrily before his tantrum passes. "But I suppose that's not your fault, though you certainly could have said something.

Regardless, the part I'm sure you actually wanted to hear about...we're not endorsing any party just yet. We want to see who is actually going to represent our interests. We're interested in which candidates run for which office, and want to hear what they have to say on the campaign trail before we back anyone."
 
Zhokhyen smiled. "I am in favor of reducing the corporate taxes, by at least 10% if not more. I believe the Nationalist Party will for the most part support this goal. I especially shall champion this reduction in tax. Also on the list would be the middle-class, and perhaps even the upper-class getting tax cuts. All in order to encourage the growth of our nation.

"We also will likely oppose most government interference. While I'm afraid a reduction in minimum wage would be nigh-impossible to pass, I am certain the Nationalists and I shall oppose its increase. We believe in limiting unions' abilities to interfere and obstruct business.

"Again gentlement, we at the ENP believe strongly in small government, limited in its interference in both personal and business matters. Questions, comments? Or shall I leave you gentlemen alone?"
 
*Michael Lundgren heads in to meet with a gentlemen from the EFA privetly(ie away from other politicians :p ).*


Good morning sir, I would like to stress a point, other people are likely coming to you and preaching about how much they support gun rights and thats a fine goal. Note however that there are other ways to support gun rights on top of making it legal to own a firearm. How about for example a bill stating that if you have a working security system in your home/business you are also in your legal right to use any means of force required to bring them down. If someone breaks in and ignores a security alarm their intentions are obviously of the most vile nature, why not cut through the red tape and make it so you are completely safe from any and all prosecution if you use a firearm to subdue, temporarily or permanently, someone in such a situation? I bet other people meeting with you haven't thought of such a bill? Thats the kind of thinking I can come up with and the kind of support you can recieve if I make it into the general assembly. My company deals with both security devices and equipment to help hunters in the field, you don't think I would take lightly a bill that tries to undermine a large percent of my sales do you?
 
Sir, I understand you position. As of now, we are still in the stages of determining Candidacy, but rest assured, the ENP will be your best bet.

Colonel Bradstreet raises from the table, shakes the hand of the EFA Rep. and moves from the table and towards the bar. He picks up a third brandy and walks over to the table where the people from the Soldiers of God are sitting. He shakes the hand of the man sitting there and speaks,

Good Afternoon, good sir, I am Colonel Harrison William Bradstreet. I come representing the Eutopian Nationalist Party. We at the ENP feel as if we are the best bet to further the interests of the SoG.

Bradstreet pulls out his platform,

We are the party of the inclusion of God in Government, against Same-Sex Marriage, against Abortion and I myself am a practicing Roman Catholic. Sir, we represent your interests, is there anyway you could do the same with us.

Bradstreet downs yet another glass of brandy, looks at the SoG's glass and orders another brandy and whatever the man is drinking.
 
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"Ah, Admiral Tulp, welcome. As a matter of fact, there is something you can do for us." The representative smiles, almost snake-like. "I noticed you were absent at the Constitutional Convention for reasons unbeknownst to me, but perhaps you noticed a great deal of talk about referendums to allow the people to prove they in fact want a monarchy. I figure the republicans are going to attempt to do what they've done every term, and give lip service to such a referendum when asked, but then hope everyone forgets about it the rest of the time. We need someone to push for referendum here in Eutopia City, a champion, if you will. A man of action."
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"Well sir, I wasn't at the Convention for exactly this reason. The oath I would be required to swear. I do not take oaths lightly sir and certainly not oaths to things I do not even know about. How could I swear an oath on a Constitution that wasn't even written?! Anyway sir, if I would be elected, which would be greatly possible with your support, into the Legislative Branch I would do everything I can to push for a Referendum on the Monarchy. Even if I would be in the Executive Branch, which is unlikely I must say, then I would do everything in my power to get a Referendum for our people. I hope I can count on your support to get the Referendum?"
 
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Ms. Van Ewen, not sure of Mr. Vandelft's party membership, gives Olson a very meaningful, somewhat unhappy look. She is about to start speaking, but decides to let Olson comment.
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Ms. Van Ewen, I can assure that Mr. Vandelft is a member of the party. Olson assures her. As far as equal protection under the law goes, we have stated publicly in our platform that law enforcement falls under the federal government, along with trade and defense. It would be ludicrous to suggest that because we believe in decentralization that we do not hold certain rights inaliable. The Constitution applies to all Eutopians, regardless of what province they are from.

Certain rights, free speech, freedom of assembly and religion, are considered paramount to the Party of Liberty. I would hope that my actions during the Coup would show that I value free speech and assembly over my own personal safety. This is something that is incredibly important to me at both a personal and professional level.

The idea behind decentralization is to acknowledge the unique heritage that different provinces have. If, for example, Tilapia was to rejoin Eutopia, then the Party of Liberty would fully support Tilapia deciding whether or not to emphasize their Latin heritage (we wouldn't support the Tilapians teaching classes in English unless the Tilapians wanted to teach classes in English).

I don't think we are proposing anything extreme. I think that acknowledging that we don't all have the same history, culture and ideas is a practical way to look at things in our great country.

As far as entitlements go, the Party does not turn a blind eye to the unfortunate and disadvantaged, whatever the preception might be. We believe in giving aid to those who are physically unable to work, whether they are physically/mentally disabeled, or too young, or too old. We also believe in fair unemployment benefits, i.e. everyone gets a certain amount based on their household size.

It is true that the Party does not believe we have a role in subsidizing extravagent lifestyles. If you're rich, and happen to be out of work, we do not feel the need to give a fat check to you, so that you can support your 'standard of living'. This, to me, is not an extreme view.

I hope that cleared some things up. If you have any more questions, please ask. Hopefully, we can clear up our view point.
 
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Woody, walking by, happens to hear Mr. Olson mistake the name of his party.
"Mr. Olson, have you left the Party of Liberty and joined the Eutopian Labour Party, or have you merely left your senses?"
Turning to Ms. van Ewen...
"Please pardon the interuption Ms. van Ewen, but Mr. Olson does not speak for the Labour Party. I understand he was previously a socialist, so it would have been a more logical move for him to make than to jump all the way across the political spectrum, so maybe that was his conscience trying to correct his wayward intellect? I wonder how large a jump he will make once elected? Will the legislation he supports bear any relation to his platform now? In the actual Eutopian Labour Party, we are considering adding legal aid to the services provided to those temporarily on welfare, so that their rights are not trampled on by the slumlords, sweatshop owners, or installment credit loansharks that often prey on people in that strata of our society, and would appreciate your organization's support."
 
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