Very strange, I've done this battle twice, both times having him help but only once with the child's. Each time, he's taken the spot of one of my knights in the fight, always starting with crusaders.
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Yay! My second sticky! Not bad for a non-moderator. To business:
Sir Gal - I've never seen the random quest "Champion" in my games. Both of those were Rightful/Old Faith though. I'm guessing some random quests require a certain morality score before they appear; in Sir Gal's case, he's a Christian knight, so only Christian kings have a chance to recruit him.
Leodegrance - I've read that some people can recruit him and some can't. I didn't seek help with the Dragon Heart battle - just charged straight in. I'll try replaying that bit to see if I can get him.
Sir Gal - I've never seen the random quest "Champion" in my games. Both of those were Rightful/Old Faith though. I'm guessing some random quests require a certain morality score before they appear; in Sir Gal's case, he's a Christian knight, so only Christian kings have a chance to recruit him.
Leodegrance - I've read that some people can recruit him and some can't. I didn't seek help with the Dragon Heart battle - just charged straight in. I'll try replaying that bit to see if I can get him.
Sitcky was very much deserved.
I think your theory about sir Gal may be correct, I have only got the quest once, and it was during my very first playthrough ... as rightful christian. I had once, during a tyrant playthrough, got a quest to get "Morold", a tyrant warlord. And a few times, the Mad Knight Cedric. However, at the time, I didn't take note about the quests, and I have not received those quests in recent playthroughs.
The difficulty, I think, is that I suspect those quests stop triggering once your full round table is complete, AND that they are random AND that they have some more or less tricky prerequisites - morality, provinces owned, etc .. (I realize, among the heroes you listed, that I never got Catherine, probably because I tend to conquer both Mercia provinces late). Those days, with the DLC additional heroes and a knowledge of the game that can allow you to fill your round table quickly if you put your mind to it, you may not in a given playthrough get much of the "random" quests at all.
I think your theory about sir Gal may be correct, I have only got the quest once, and it was during my very first playthrough ... as rightful christian. I had once, during a tyrant playthrough, got a quest to get "Morold", a tyrant warlord. And a few times, the Mad Knight Cedric. However, at the time, I didn't take note about the quests, and I have not received those quests in recent playthroughs.
The difficulty, I think, is that I suspect those quests stop triggering once your full round table is complete, AND that they are random AND that they have some more or less tricky prerequisites - morality, provinces owned, etc .. (I realize, among the heroes you listed, that I never got Catherine, probably because I tend to conquer both Mercia provinces late). Those days, with the DLC additional heroes and a knowledge of the game that can allow you to fill your round table quickly if you put your mind to it, you may not in a given playthrough get much of the "random" quests at all.
It’s true that you can recruit Leodegrance in The Dragon’s Heart quest but there is a very important condition: your hero has to be Christian. Without the correct morality he won’t join you. I tried it with Percivale (Christianity 10) and it worked. He went to the hermit and chose the right answer then he stayed with the ageless child for his help. After the battle Leodegrance joined the court.
Based on the two posts above, I'm going to add a "Required Morality" line to the stat blocks of the knights in Version 3.0
I wanted to say Sir Gal can be gained as rightful old faith as well. I have gotten him that way a few times. I think it is just a rather rare event.
Version 3.0 has been released!
I was unable to get Sir Gal or Morold to appear - if anyone has a reliable method for making them show up, I'll give you full credit in Version 3.1.
I was unable to get Sir Gal or Morold to appear - if anyone has a reliable method for making them show up, I'll give you full credit in Version 3.1.
About Sir Gal: The “Champion” quest will appear only if the “Knights of the Roundtable” objective is open at least for 6 years and you have maximum 7 heroes.
About Sir Morold: He can join you from the “Robber Night” quest and it will appear only if you have a stronghold at least for 3 years and you don’t have more than 4 heroes.
Neither of these quests depend on morality or faith.
The traits of the heroes:
Gal:
• Champion
• Righteous 8, Christian 4
• gpGal
• Adventuring 2, Fight 9, Reign 3, Leadership 3, Magic 2
• Artifacts: Phoenix Shield, Enchanted Ouch
• Skills: Blast 2, Cleave 3, Enchanted Armour 3, Magical Weapon 3, Enchanted Weapon 3
• Traits: Martial, Greedy, Stern, Thrifty
Morold:
• Warlord
• Tyrant 8, Faith 0
• gpMorold
• Adventuring 4, Fight 4, Reign 3, Leadership7, Magic 4
• Artifacts: Sword of Sharpness, Breastplate, Chest of the Black Knight
• Skills: Masterful Tactics 3, Liege 2, Logistic 2, Senechal 2, Victorious Army 2
• Traits: Malevolent, Chirurgeon, Stern, Dismounted Knight
About Sir Morold: He can join you from the “Robber Night” quest and it will appear only if you have a stronghold at least for 3 years and you don’t have more than 4 heroes.
Neither of these quests depend on morality or faith.
The traits of the heroes:
Gal:
• Champion
• Righteous 8, Christian 4
• gpGal
• Adventuring 2, Fight 9, Reign 3, Leadership 3, Magic 2
• Artifacts: Phoenix Shield, Enchanted Ouch
• Skills: Blast 2, Cleave 3, Enchanted Armour 3, Magical Weapon 3, Enchanted Weapon 3
• Traits: Martial, Greedy, Stern, Thrifty
Morold:
• Warlord
• Tyrant 8, Faith 0
• gpMorold
• Adventuring 4, Fight 4, Reign 3, Leadership7, Magic 4
• Artifacts: Sword of Sharpness, Breastplate, Chest of the Black Knight
• Skills: Masterful Tactics 3, Liege 2, Logistic 2, Senechal 2, Victorious Army 2
• Traits: Malevolent, Chirurgeon, Stern, Dismounted Knight
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Thanks for the update, I understand now why never run into those champions in my last games when I got them in the early games I played ("vanilla" KA ).
I think the primary culprit are the 2 DLC knights. By the time the primary conditions are verified for Morold (3 years with a stronghold), you have at the very least Kay, Balin/Balan, Gareth, Lucan and Alymere (possibly Mark, Brandelis ...), unless you (accidentaly or deliberately) miss one of the "main quest" Knights (like, refusing to hire Gareth). Which means that in a typical game with DLC, you'll have no chance for the second trigger (4 heroes max.) to be verified.
Gal has a little more "relaxed" schedule (7 knights max after 6 years of round table) but not that much.
It's not a major matter at all, but will there be any possibility on a future patch ro "relax" the triggers for those knight's recruitment (and possibly others), taking into account that nowadays, with KA collection and all, many people will play with the DLC anyway (no biggie if it's too much of a hassle, rare and obscure knights are OK too
)?
I think the primary culprit are the 2 DLC knights. By the time the primary conditions are verified for Morold (3 years with a stronghold), you have at the very least Kay, Balin/Balan, Gareth, Lucan and Alymere (possibly Mark, Brandelis ...), unless you (accidentaly or deliberately) miss one of the "main quest" Knights (like, refusing to hire Gareth). Which means that in a typical game with DLC, you'll have no chance for the second trigger (4 heroes max.) to be verified.
Gal has a little more "relaxed" schedule (7 knights max after 6 years of round table) but not that much.
It's not a major matter at all, but will there be any possibility on a future patch ro "relax" the triggers for those knight's recruitment (and possibly others), taking into account that nowadays, with KA collection and all, many people will play with the DLC anyway (no biggie if it's too much of a hassle, rare and obscure knights are OK too
)?
We made these Morold/Gal quests for the players who somehow couldn’t or didn’t want to recruit some of the heroes from the “main quests”. I mean it’s a help for them to gather more heroes.
Considering that the OP file has not been updated in quite some time, I ended up having to take my own notes on the DLC content. The only thing I cannot figure out is how the diplomacy heroes/randomly generated heroes are named... For example, Sir Morold for example (recruitable sage in Diplomacy), uses the 'Sorcerer' tooltip, but gpSorcerer does not affect him at all (but oddly enough script executes for it, there is something there)... gpSorcerer1/2/3/etc does not work either. Unique heroes like the Beowulf Warriors and the Welsh Druids are easy to figure out... just gp*their name* works fine.
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Heavenly Sword
Mass Healing
Flamewall
Invite Seelie Warriors
Invite Unseelie Warriors
Arcane Rejuvenation
Druidic Lore
Spirit Tentacles
Summon Ghost Wolves
Blazing Trap
Constant Resistance
Mass Slow
Fire Rain
Blood of Beowulf
Flare of Resistance
Summon Guardian
Summon Wyrmlings
Summon Fire Wyrm
Summon Obsidian Wyrm
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Arcane Rejuvenation
Druidic Lore
Spirit Tentacles
Summon Ghost Wolves
Blazing Trap
Constant Resistance
Mass Slow
Fire Rain
Blood of Beowulf
Flare of Resistance
Summon Guardian
Summon Wyrmlings
Summon Fire Wyrm
Summon Obsidian Wyrm
1) I said in the first post that my guide was only for the original campaign. I never even attempted to write a guide for the expansions; if you want to, please do so.
2) The guide was last updated a little over a month ago, that's not that long.
3) I already have the Gorlois, Hermit and Sir Marrick item sets in the guide already, but thanks anyway.
Seems like an odd decision to include only the original campaign's content and not the expansions...
Fun fact: The AI pulls in about two times as much gold, and three times as much food, as human-controlled provinces. The AI also is able to recruit units starting at level 5.
In my game, King Edward under West Marcia was pulling in, from his one province, 22167 Gold and 34609 Food. By comparison, my most productive province, Dumnonia, was only pulling in 8934 Gold and 9399 Food. It is currently fiefed by Sir Bedevere, whom has 'Relentless' perk.
Fun fact: The AI pulls in about two times as much gold, and three times as much food, as human-controlled provinces. The AI also is able to recruit units starting at level 5.
In my game, King Edward under West Marcia was pulling in, from his one province, 22167 Gold and 34609 Food. By comparison, my most productive province, Dumnonia, was only pulling in 8934 Gold and 9399 Food. It is currently fiefed by Sir Bedevere, whom has 'Relentless' perk.
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Normal. Difficulty makes no difference, though, the only thing that changes is the stats of enemy heroes and units on the battlefield:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...-devs-Difference-between-Normal-and-Hard-play
Would love if there was a way to figure out the internal names (gpKay, gpMorold, etc) of the generic heroes in the DLC... Especially the ones you recruit through diplomacy.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...-devs-Difference-between-Normal-and-Hard-play
Would love if there was a way to figure out the internal names (gpKay, gpMorold, etc) of the generic heroes in the DLC... Especially the ones you recruit through diplomacy.
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The knights you get from Christian/Sidhe factions are randomly generated, but the knights on the 'Hero' diplomacy screen are not, the same ones spawn every game under the same rulers.
PS: Magical Balance tooltip is wrong, it says you only lose 115 - 15/lv mana, but in reality it is 115% - 15% mana!
PS: Magical Balance tooltip is wrong, it says you only lose 115 - 15/lv mana, but in reality it is 115% - 15% mana!
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