Nubia?

Semi-Lobster · Mar 9, 2011

In Crusader Kings 1 there was a little kingdom jutting out of southern Egypt of Nubia which was playable which from correct. The Christian Nubian Kingdom of Makuria existed in one form or another (such as the Kingdom of Dotawo) until 1484. I wonder if it will still be around? The fate of the African Christian states (Makuria, Alodia, Axum, Shewa) and their battles against their Muslim neighbours fit pretty well with the Crusader Kings gameplay, it was full of dynastic intrigue, scheming, infidels, pagans and of course, crusading.

besaccia · Mar 9, 2011

I think they will be there

wilcoxchar · Mar 9, 2011

Since the map now extends to the Horn of Africa and all around the Arabian Peninsula, I'm pretty sure Nubia will be in the game.

Tormodius · Mar 9, 2011

wilcoxchar said:
Since the map now extends to the Horn of Africa and all around the Arabian Peninsula, I'm pretty sure Nubia will be in the game.

Great. That will be a good start to play as a total Nub

vwclaymore · Mar 9, 2011

I remember seeing Nubia in one of the screen shots already, so it should definately be in.

Laur · Mar 9, 2011

there's space for Ethiopia as well, methinks

yourworstnightm · Mar 9, 2011

Laur said:
there's space for Ethiopia as well, methinks

At least the Highlands, but Ethiopia's influence on the Lowlands was very limited at the time anyways.

Mrdie · Mar 9, 2011

DVIP added an actual Nubian culture, which will hopefully be present in CK2 as well.

unmerged(99452) · Mar 9, 2011

Mrdie said:
DVIP added an actual Nubian culture, which will hopefully be present in CK2 as well.

The thing I wonder is if people in Nubia and Ethiopia will have darker skins than their neighbouring arabs.

Palfouri · Mar 10, 2011

Present or not, it's not like it will survive very long before Egypt annexes it.

Semi-Lobster · Mar 10, 2011

I wonder how they will model Ethiopia if Paradox chooses to include it. The Kingdom of Axum at the time was overrun by the Sidamo Jewish Queen Yodit (Lilith) and what was left of the royal house of Axum, the Solomonic dynasty had to flee into Shewa

yourworstnightm · Mar 10, 2011

I wonder if Sidamo will be on the map though.

Of course we don't know for sure if Gudit was Jewish, just that she wasn't Christian. The Sidamo were at the time a Pagan people (and many still are today), while Judaism was strong among the Agaw. Of course we don't know if she was a Sidamo. The Sidamo was not exactly a fierce military power.

Of course we have during the CK 2 era both the Zagwe dyansty 1137-1270 and the new Solomonic dynasty that came to power in 1270 and lasted to the Period of Princes that begun in the early 1700s (ie. far after the end of CK 2).

And in Nubia we should have the kingdoms of Nobadia and Makuria (as well as the crown of Alodia that was held by the Makurians).

Semi-Lobster · Mar 10, 2011

yourworstnightm said:
I wonder if Sidamo will be on the map though.

Of course we don't know for sure if Gudit was Jewish, just that she wasn't Christian. The Sidamo were at the time a Pagan people (and many still are today), while Judaism was strong among the Agaw. Of course we don't know if she was a Sidamo. The Sidamo was not exactly a fierce military power.

Of course we have during the CK 2 era both the Zagwe dyansty 1137-1270 and the new Solomonic dynasty that came to power in 1270 and lasted to the Period of Princes that begun in the early 1700s (ie. far after the end of CK 2).

And in Nubia we should have the kingdoms of Nobadia and Makuria (as well as the crown of Alodia that was held by the Makurians).

You're completely right, we don't know much about Yodit/Gudit at a all... but a literal translation of the Hebrew name 'Judith' doesn't catch me as an African pagan name also you're right we don't know if she was Sidamo, thats just one a few competing theories. All we can be sure of is historically she probably did exist, there are too many corroborating Arab documents that talk about the 'Pagan Queen of Habesh' (the Arab name for Ethiopia), Agaw is a strong possibility if she was Jewish.

As for Nubia, I was under the impression that Nobatia had already merged into Makuria but I agree Alodia should be a separate crown that Makuria is holding since Alodia was merged into Makuria and then separated again in the 12 century

unmerged(99452) · Mar 10, 2011

Semi-Lobster said:
You're completely right, we don't know much about Yodit/Gudit at a all... but a literal translation of the Hebrew name 'Judith' doesn't catch me as an African pagan name also you're right we don't know if she was Sidamo, thats just one a few competing theories. All we can be sure of is historically she probably did exist, there are too many corroborating Arab documents that talk about the 'Pagan Queen of Habesh' (the Arab name for Ethiopia), Agaw is a strong possibility if she was Jewish.

As for Nubia, I was under the impression that Nobatia had already merged into Makuria but I agree Alodia should be a separate crown that Makuria is holding since Alodia was merged into Makuria and then separated again in the 12 century

If she is in the game she will hardly be jewish since there wont be any jews in CK2.

Semi-Lobster · Mar 10, 2011

Einh said:
If she is in the game she will hardly be jewish since there wont be any jews in CK2.

Really? Then what are the Khazars going to be?

unmerged(99452) · Mar 10, 2011

Semi-Lobster said:
Really? Then what are the Khazars going to be?

Probably Pagan or Muslim.

Sudaxe · Mar 10, 2011

I'm pretty Judaism is going to be in as a religion, same as CK1.

unmerged(99452) · Mar 10, 2011

Sudaxe said:
I'm pretty Judaism is going to be in as a religion, same as CK1.

Read the thread "Developers Comments" about judaism and jewish courtiers and you will see...

Kaleidoscope · Mar 10, 2011

Sudaxe said:
I'm pretty Judaism is going to be in as a religion, same as CK1.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong!

ZhugeKongming · Mar 11, 2011

Kaleidoscope said:
I'm pretty sure you're wrong!

Well this is disappointing. Playing Iberian and Polish monarchs is not really going to resemble reality in any way if there aren't Jewish courtiers.

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