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looking at the border maps, you're only real chance of a quick breakthrough is in the Odessa sector where the Soviets look weak. Elsewhere, you don't look strong enough to crack up the front (as opposed to shovelling them back eastwards). Do fear that removing all those potentially helpful Rumanian divisions will hurt you - they ain't a lot of use but they do help tie up the Soviets, & I'll maintain my stubborn view that Spain was a diversion of strength that you'll need in the east.

from my own in-game experience lots of divisional AA does wear down your attacking bombers quickly - but if you can get amongst the Soviet land units with your airpower, knocking their support brigades down to 0 org/strength is a great boost to your chances. So its probably worth taking the losses for the short term gain (you have to maximise the damage in the first 6-8 weeks).

think we're in for a fun ride but my money is on comrades Ismailov and Yegorov getting to redecorate the Reichstag, if so I'd advise the clerk to consider a suitably favourable latin american country.

on which point ... seems that since 2.03, a number of latin american countries are easy to bring into the axis - certainly Brazil and Peru, are you making any efforts to expanding the war outside Europe - oh and Finland?
 
Uriah, if you want to flatten AA emplacements, you'll need to tell your bombers to attack the infrastructure of a province. Alas, if AA brigades happen to be in the provinces, those will go unscathed. It might still be worth redirecting the attention of the Luftwaffe towards Athens because it is tying up so mane Italian units which would come in more handy in Russia or vis-a-vis Allied landings. May be this is an idea for the winter months when land warfare will die down quite a lot?
Same idea applies to support operations in North Africa. I'd also fetch that air-landing plan for Crete from the shelf and put it back in the 'to-do' list. If nothing else, Crete would be a good forward base for air operations vs Egypt and Allied sea operations in the eastern Med.
 
Well that's that. 14 days of reading and making notes. Baltasar ruined my life yesterday as he posted the casualty figures for the first campaigns, but I have finaly catched up with the rest of you.

The journey so far has given me a lot of insight on various tech and the game engine. AND more importantly a lot of laughs.

However I think you need to adress the OOB Uriah. I have studied at some length, gone back to the game and studied infrastructure, terrrain and weather then looked at various stats for units. I am at a loss to see your plan for attack.

The OOB and position of Armies seem to neglect supply along the two coasts, the spread of industry and infrastructure and the terrain such as the Priphetmarshes.

So either you are the biggest strategy genious of all time (Veleicht ein Feltherr...) or you are unbalanced and about to make a mistake.

Ah, my cunning set-up has confused everyone. Actually it is to get everyone to the border, for reasons which will become clear next update.

Though remember, I did warn everyone that I wasn't very good: any success was from the AI overriding my commands. Learn from my errors, young padawan, and wise it is you will be.

PS Should that be "Vielleicht ein Feldherr"? Or "Vielleicht ein Fehltherr". (Is there a word "Fehltherr"? Mr Mistakes?"

Perhaps a Commander? Well, there is a great range: General Custer was a commander, and so was Varro. But history has not been kind to either.

The one thing about playing an AAR honestly is that if it all goes pear-shaped then the world sees it. I haven't started Unternehmen Barbarossa yet (see March 1941 update), but the key to how I will go will the initial objectives. Once they are set it is out of my hands.
 
I count 79 divisions on the boarder + another 10-15 in production + ~30 Hungarian vs. the ~150 historical so your only missing the Rumanian's and Fins. Later some 20+ Italians would join, helping them by bombing Malta, Athens, Crete and N.Africa from bases in Italy/Greece would help free Italians to fight for you.

Now you have to decide, do you want to win during the first season or plan for a multi year campaign?
To win in one year you have to destroy the Soviets on the boarder, advance reckless into the interior, winning is a line just east of Moscow!

If you plan or fear a multi year campaign you have to plan where you want to defend during winter, a huge advantage is that you now can make same continent supplies ie. from Kiel to Riga, this means you can hold only some coastal areas that was a problem in earlier versions. Building and expanding harbours in southern and northern Russia might be an idea.
In winter supplies are in an all time low so all arm and planes (and maybe most mot) should be evacuated to the west, your allies will help you eat your supplies and hold your line.
But you will need a lot of police units to secure the supplies, gar simply doesn't do it and should only be used where there is a military threat, start building 15 parallel builds in 5 series. As you advance place them on your supply routes, research suppression, gar has 2 suppression police has 3. Take a look at your partisan and supply route maps, where there is an overlap you should place more police.

Building more combat units will only help you at the start of the campaign especially armour and planes will drain a lot of supplies, if you want more units build some gar to free up half the inf in west and south Europe.
Starting in May should give you a huge advantage in time that is not to be ignored, but starting before 22. Juni is cheating :)
 
Ah, my cunning set-up has confused everyone. Actually it is to get everyone to the border, for reasons which will become clear next update.

Though remember, I did warn everyone that I wasn't very good: any success was from the AI overriding my commands. Learn from my errors, young padawan, and wise it is you will be.

PS Should that be "Vielleicht ein Feldherr"? Or "Vielleicht ein Fehltherr". (Is there a word "Fehltherr"? Mr Mistakes?"

Perhaps a Commander? Well, there is a great range: General Custer was a commander, and so was Varro. But history has not been kind to either.

The one thing about playing an AAR honestly is that if it all goes pear-shaped then the world sees it. I haven't started Unternehmen Barbarossa yet (see March 1941 update), but the key to how I will go will the initial objectives. Once they are set it is out of my hands.

Vielleicht ein Feldherr
I was making a reference to 'Gröfaz', and my written german is rubbish :eek:o

I am a bit worried that the OOB is put together before the plan is made. As you know supply is the biggest factor in the game, and the placement of various units (including air) doesn't reflect the boost in seaborne supply you can get with the northern and southern flank of Unternehmen Barbarossa. The short legs of the CAS formations make them more suitable in certain areas than other, and their effect on hard targets need to be accounted for.
 
It does seem that you could do with a few more units. You might need to take a risk with the West and ship a few more units to the front. New units (produced too late for Barbarossa) can always be used to rebuild your Western Armies. Unfortunately, you need to watch your manpower. The AI is prolific in attacks, many of them poorly supported. The AI will chew through your manpower reserves.

I see you have the Armies on prepare stance. Would it not be better for them to have their Barbarossa objectives, so the AI puts the units where they will be needed when you go to war? I am pretty sure the AI will undertake no offensive action before war is declared.

You still have some time in hand. You could probably shift a corps to Greece and assault Athens and still be back in place in time for Barbarossa. A Corps is all it would take and the Italians would be better placed to help you if you need it.

Did you build some marines? Are you planning some landings along the Baltic coast? If so, your relatively weak Army of North Poland could do with landings in the Riga area. This might help cut-off and destroy some Russian units and speed up your advance. Careful use of the paratroopers could also assist these efforts but you will need air superiority and you will want to know you can link with the drop zones in time (a little better that how they did it for the 1st Airborne in Arnhem).

When will you tell us of the plan?
 
I wish you the best with conquering the Soviet Union. I've done with Hungary, so I'm sure you, with your meticulously designed military formations will do well.

However, two thoughts to throw out; Von Paulus is too good a general to waste on a secondary front like Scandinavia. Another level 5 general on the Ostfront could prove invaluable, to say the least. If you've got something special planned for those despicable vikings in the north, then disregard my statement. Another idea is start shifting your now insanely skilled U-Boat admirals to surface fleets; lvl 8 and 9 admirals could prove absolutely devastating against the Royal Navy, and eventually, the behemoth US Navy.

And now I return to getting my arse handed to me in my current Japan game; I fear not American warships, for they break like wet paper before my mighty fleets, but the constant drumbeat of "WE NEED MOAR FUEL" will drive me to madness.
 
don't worry about how many troops the enemy has. Let him worry wbout how many less troops he will have after the first pockets ^^.

On a more OOBish note.
I tend to keep Rommel/Manstein/Guderian etc. into the 'fighting' HQ units. They get to actually lead attacks more often that way and I can use their nice bonus(es) (or is it boni?) So it's corps/army hq for them.
 
"Building more combat units will only help you at the start of the campaign especially armour and planes will drain a lot of supplies, if you want more units build some gar to free up half the inf in west and south Europe." Surt makes a very good point, Your OOB shows a lot of front line troops guarding in the west, their talents are much better used holding the flanks of your armored spearheads in the east and collapsing pockets.

I have found Garrison units to be unreliable in any use other than sitting in fortifications or guarding ports and important cities (I build them in the same configuration of 2xGAR 1AA 1RART, sometimes substituting MPs for the rockets off the coast). All of your internal security can be handled by some well placed Cav (they never run out of fuel) and then a fast mobile reserve of mot and/or light arm near the coast as a fire brigade. Not until a few months after the USA enters the conflict will you need more real troops in the west.

So does Stabber, "The short legs of the CAS formations make them more suitable in certain areas than other, and their effect on hard targets need to be accounted for." I found the CAS with their more limited range, more effective based farther north where the provinces are smaller and there are more contentious river crossing once hostilities begin. TACs with so much more range do well in the south where the air strips are smaller, you can base them in a spread and they can still support each other.

Also you might consider moving the NAVs closer to the action along the northsea, best case they will catch the red flt and clear the way for amphib manuvers into Riga etc and worst case you can use them for less effective interdiction and intercepter bait so the CAS and TAC can reach their targets.

"Ah, my cunning set-up has confused everyone. Actually it is to get everyone to the border, for reasons which will become clear next update." Oh boy...I hope the news isnt as ominous as it sounds...will you start early? full mobilization will make an already tough mission even tougher. We wait with baited breath...
 
So you have 78 or 79 divisions on the entire front including Romania. I wish you luck but this might not turn out too well. You really should have 100 divisions in just Poland. The AI doesn't do a decent job with small numbers of divisions in large areas like the SU. With Romania you really needed close to 125+ divisions.

The best bet is a pincer move to Minsk and Kiev. From Minsk go NW to Riga and south to link up with Kiew movement north. From Kiev move north to link up with Minsk and SE to Black Sea. Hold the line with just 1 or 2 divisions. This is your best bet to surround the red army in three hugh pockets. Then destroy them one at a time while miving faster troops farther east and north.

Unfortunately the AI won't be able to do this so the AI has to rely on brute force. And that is where you are in trouble because you are outnumbered. I wish you luck but it seems your girlfriend might end up serving the red army in a year or two.
 
Rank and File
A Clerk’s War​


March 1941

The preparation of the Order of Battle for Unternehmen Barbarossa has caused a great deal of discussion in Berlin. (Although it was supposed to be a restricted document, prepared specifically for the Reichskanzler and for distribution to a restricted audience, copies have mysteriously appeared around the city. The wonders of carbon paper!) There have been many surreptitious conversations in the hallways near my office, with much shaking of heads and pursing of lips. The general feeling is that the Wehrmacht is not ready for such a huge task, that we have insufficient men and tanks. Some officers have even been heard to criticise Unternehmen Barbarossa (maps of the Eastern border areas are also apparently available – what are the security forces doing?) claiming that the plan itself contains the seeds of our destruction.

While not a mindless Party man, I take no part in such defeatist talk. If Hindenburg and Ludendorff had taken the same view, we would never had had the glorious victory of Tannenburg, nor been able to demand the Waffenstillsandsabkommnen signed at Brest-Litowsk. A good soldier is not deterred by numbers: he trusts his commanders and does his duty. I am sure our young men (including my brothers) will do just that.

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Victory in the East: the Russians sign the Treaty of Brest-Litowsk in the presence of Oberbefehlshaber der Ostfront Generalfeldmarschall Prinz von Bayern

Meanwhile preparations continue. Road and rail works have been completed in Spain and in the East, but even more work gangs are being despatched to further improve our communications. The amount of productive capacity being expended is enormous, but Fritz Bayerlein is unrelenting in his desire to raise the infrastructure of Poland to modern levels. So train after train rolls east, loaded with cement, rail lines and bitumen for the front line provinces.

Not that the growth of the Heer has been neglected. Two more cavalry divisions have been called up, and two garrison divisions are in training. It would appear to a simple old soldier like myself that preparations are being made for further transfers of combat units to the east.

On the Wednesday 6th news of yet another Spanish revolt. This time it was in Muros, where Galician nationalists have united with various other groups to form a revolutionary army. Troops are scattered in Spain and I worry it will take some time to get our forces to the region.

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Rebellion in Muros

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Rebel forces in Muros: the local police cannot handle these ill-disciplined but motivated guerrillas.

That was far away, however. Closer to home the excitement over the Order of Battle and the military maps has been put to one side as speculation on the launch date takes over. I have heard a dozen dates mentioned, but there is one that growing in popularity. On 23rd March 1933 the Reichstag passed the Ermächtigungsgesetz (or, to give its full name, the “Gesetz zur Behegung der Not von Volk und Reich”). This signalled the start of the Reichkanzler’s rule and the move towards our current position. I tend to agree that this date is likely: the Führer loves this sort of thing.

On the 11th a second Galician province fell to the rebels: Carballo. The news was that the rebels are now marching on Santiago de Competela. Of course we are holding the port of La Coruña securely as we do not want to give the British any opportunity for an invasion. However, the precautions were not necessary.

Moving into Santiago de Competela was a fatal mistake by the anonymous leaders of the revolt. General Behschnitt, commander of 96.Infanterie Division had been biding his time, waiting for the main rebel force to get within range of his base at La Coruña. On 13th March he sprang his trap. Faced with two regular infantry brigades backed up by a regiment of nebelwerfers, the peasants and socialists simply vanished. By nightfall not one armed rebel remained in the province, and Behschnitt’s men did not have to fire a shot.

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Battle of Santiago de Compotela

A glorious day on Friday 15th as the Kriegmarine finally received its first aircraft carrier. The “Graf Zeppelin” immediately loaded its aircraft which have been ready for months, and sailed to join 1st Schlachtflotte at Wilhemshavn. This is a triumph for our navy designers and shipyards. Only five years ago we could not even contemplate building even an outdated escort carrier. Today we possess one of the most modern vessels in the world, armed with two full air groups!

In the euphoria, Minister Raeder managed to persuade Cabinet to sign off on another carrier, to be called the “Seydlitz”. I did notice, however, that the ship and its aircraft have been marked as “Low Priority” by Minister Schacht, who is ultimately in charge of all production.

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Still not completely finished, but ready for action, “Graf Zeppelin” is pulled from its berth by two tugs.

The “Graf Zeppelin” was not the only new arrival that week. 162 and 163.Infanterie Divisions were released from training and posted to III Armeekorps, Österreich Army. Two new motorised divisions (161st and 386th) were assigned to 2nd Motorkorps, prompting a change in leadership of that unit. General de Angelis, who showed great promise in Spain, had been appointed to lead 2nd Motorkorps. The unfortunate General Cochenhausen has seen his chance to lead a Korps against the Red Army taken from him and he has been relegated to lead the newly formed 161.Infanterie (mot). Not receiving the same fanfare, but perhaps just as significant, our forward line of radar stations has been completed in the east.

No other expenditure on new units was approved. Minister Schacht has been instructed by the Cabinet that he is ensure that all existing units have the most modern equipment available before the start of Barbarossa, and with time running out factory after factory is being assigned to this task. Our researchers are making Minister Schacht’s job harder, as new equipment is always being developed. New carriages and sights for our rocket artillery units will require re-equipping more than a dozen units. This month researchers also developed new ground attack tactics for our bombers, completed a studies in Assault Concentration and Guerilla Warfare and came up with radical new refining techniques that will make our coal-to-oil and rare material production more efficient. Once again research was sacrificed to the demands of the Heer for more officers: only four new projects were approved. One was a very long term investigation into Mechanised Offensives, the others were short term: development of small navigation radar for our aircraft, training our second-line units in the correct use of support weapons and designing a more powerful gun for our armoured cars.

As we moved closer to the expected commencement date for Barbarossa, tension started to mount. Even on the train on the way to work or walking in the streets one could sense anticipation, though nobody would voice their thoughts openly. Goebbel’s informers are everywhere, and discussion of state secrets is a serious offence. But every has a cousin who has a friend who just happened to see document or hear part of a conversation. I had no doubt that most of the population had a good idea of that something big was in the wind, though I am sure that very few suspect the truth.

So you can imagine the consternation on Thursday 21st that British bombers were active over Leipzig. It is one thing for those of us in Brandenburg to hear of bombing raids far to the west in the Ruhr, but to think that the RAF is hitting Saxony! For people already on edge it was disturbing. For those who knew of the plans for to attack the USSR it was just as bad: had the British somehow learned of Unternehmen Barbarossa? Was this the prelude to a bombing campaign to disrupt our preparations? Minister Göring was summoned to the Kanzler’s office but was not there for long. Bogatsch and 5th Jagdfliegerkorps had responded immediately and inflicted heavy losses on the British. More importantly, investigations in to wrecked bombers and interrogations of the crews had found no link to Barbarrossa. It seems the British have acquired some longer range aircraft and were keen to see how effective they were.

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Air Battle of Leipzig: the British are far too close to Berlin. Note the concentration of Sturm-Marine divisions at Stettin where they are finalising their preparations. And the secret rocket research base at Peenemünde in Wolgast.

Well, they were marginally effective over Leipzig, but many of them will not return. Our Messerschmitts chased them all the way to Eindhoven, destroying dozens of the new aircraft.

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Air Battle of Eindhoven

On the 22nd I was suddenly sure we were on the brink of war. Three movement orders crossed my desk. 1st and 2nd Fallschirmjäger divisions were ordered to move to Königsberg, as was 1st Truppentransporterluftflotte. And 1st Schlachtflotte was has left for “naval exercises” in the east Ostesee. (I don’t think I have mentioned previously, but for some weeks the Ostseeflotte has been engaged in some mysterious close shore mapping in the northern Ostsee).

The next day I was at work early, but instead of the excitement I expected there was a chilly silence. The sentries at the gates and doorways kept their gaze firmly focussed in the distance, with no eye contact. There was no chatter in the corridors. I have been in Berlin for long enough to know the clues: there has been a mistake made and nobody wants to be the butt of a superior’s displeasure. So straight to work: I knew I would find the truth soon enough.

At lunchtime I had found out. My usual contact in the Foreign Office had rung me during the morning and asked if wanted to share a bite to eat in the park nearby. Of course I agreed. There would be more than sandwiches on the menu. I had speculated on the cause of the delay, but I had stuck to fairly obvious answers: the Russians had obtained a copy of our plans, a vital unit was incapacitated, Russian troop movements had meant a drastic modification was necessary. I was not prepared for the truth.

Unbelievable though it may sound, it seems the delay was diplomatic! If you remember, just under two years ago we signed a Non-Aggression Pact with the USSR. At the time it was seen as a masterstroke: it allowed us to take Poland and then swing west with no risk of a resurgence of conflict in the rear. Now it was time to pay the price. According to my informant it was this treaty that was the cause of the postponement of Barbarossa.

But surely, I asked, we can just breach the treaty? We have done so many times in the past. The Führer has shown he will not allow treaties to stand in the way of our destiny. Apparently that was the Führer’s first response. Break the treaty, then declare war. It was Minister Ribbentrop who had to point out that some unbreakable diplomatic protocol meant this was impossible. Somewhere in the fine-print of the secret sections of the treaty was a clause stating that the treaty could only be broken in the second year of its existence if the party dissolving the treaty had at least 50% of the number of regiments on the border as the other party! I don’t pretend to understand the world of diplomacy but this was the most ridiculous thing I had ever heard. My informant assured me it was correct. Von Ribbentrop’s hands were tied. We had only 34.3 % of the number of regiments the Red Army had along the border: there was nothing that could be done.

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The unbreakable diplomatic barrier: how could this have happened?

All afternoon I sat stunned at how our huge army was being held up by a piece of paper. We must wait until April 18th when the treaty expires. No wonder the Russians decided to mobilise: they knew they would have time to complete the exercise before we could strike. Then the full realisation sunk in. The Red Army was far larger than anyone had suspected. They must have many more than 200 divisions on our border. Could the Wehrmacht take on a foe so numerous? Would our technological edge and military skill be enough?


Unterseebootsflotte Activity Report

During March our U-boats accounted for 34 transports and 1 escort


Axis Military Position Maps

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Libia: Victory for the Army of Libia. Benghazi has been recaptured and the Army of Egypt is on the run.

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Greece: It would appear the Italians can only operate in one Theatre at a time. It is not Greece.

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China: Can Chiang Kai-Shek rally his Kuomintang armies, or will the rout continue?

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Indo China: tying up hundreds of thousands of Guangxi troops far the action in China may be paying dividends.
 
ah the perils of small print .... there was an article on UK radio yesterday about how no-one reads those terms and conditions we gleefully click 'yes' to when engaged in purchasing stuff on line ... and the nasty problems that can result.

So you have 1/3 of the Soviet strength on the border? Not necessarily that bad, as the AI doesn't really do a set up in depth so that is probably the bulk of the Soviets .... all sat there waiting for you to destroy them where your supply and other advantages are at their strongest (thats the optimistic reading anyway). Also if you do get stuck in in mid-April you've a long period before the winter weather sets in in mid/late November.
 
Phew, a lot to answer this time. I may be a be more short than usual, for two reasons. One, I want to get back to playing: I am a week into the invasion now. And two, I don't really want to reveal my tactics until the updates are out.

Don't worry - I'm not replaying or anything like that - I really make an effort to write everything as I do it. (Which is why I'm annoyed I forgot to note I had sent the Ostseeflotte do do some scouting up the Baltic coast.) I just like to keep people in suspence - though a few of your suggestions are pretty close to the way I did it. I mean, why else were the Sturm-Marines in Stettin?

I got a bit held up the past few days (a 40 page work-related report) but hope to keep up the pace until university starts at end of month.



looking at the border maps, you're only real chance of a quick breakthrough is in the Odessa sector where the Soviets look weak. Elsewhere, you don't look strong enough to crack up the front (as opposed to shovelling them back eastwards). Do fear that removing all those potentially helpful Rumanian divisions will hurt you - they ain't a lot of use but they do help tie up the Soviets, & I'll maintain my stubborn view that Spain was a diversion of strength that you'll need in the east.

from my own in-game experience lots of divisional AA does wear down your attacking bombers quickly - but if you can get amongst the Soviet land units with your airpower, knocking their support brigades down to 0 org/strength is a great boost to your chances. So its probably worth taking the losses for the short term gain (you have to maximise the damage in the first 6-8 weeks).

think we're in for a fun ride but my money is on comrades Ismailov and Yegorov getting to redecorate the Reichstag, if so I'd advise the clerk to consider a suitably favourable latin american country.

on which point ... seems that since 2.03, a number of latin american countries are easy to bring into the axis - certainly Brazil and Peru, are you making any efforts to expanding the war outside Europe - oh and Finland?

I'm not sure of my total losses in Spain: not huge in MP and pretty negligible in IC. I gained a lot of exp not just for officers but also units. My chief driver (other than I haven't triued this before :rolleyes:) was to help Italy. This seems to have worked, withthe Brits being steamrolled acroiss Africa. So maybe it will slow any invasions.

As for the metagame (finally I got to use that word!!!) I have learned a lot about how the AI works at an Army level and hope that I can use it a bit better inthe East.

Without giving away too much: AA in the front line crumples quickly under combined air and land attacks.

I have got Persia: that's outside Europe! The UK and Russia both made stroing plays for Finland and I felt it better to research than try to beat both. Diplomatically I stuck to keeping the USA out of reach as long as I could, and that was it. Turkey is close but too neutral. And now I need every bright young man for the army.

Uriah, if you want to flatten AA emplacements, you'll need to tell your bombers to attack the infrastructure of a province. Alas, if AA brigades happen to be in the provinces, those will go unscathed. It might still be worth redirecting the attention of the Luftwaffe towards Athens because it is tying up so mane Italian units which would come in more handy in Russia or vis-a-vis Allied landings. May be this is an idea for the winter months when land warfare will die down quite a lot?
Same idea applies to support operations in North Africa. I'd also fetch that air-landing plan for Crete from the shelf and put it back in the 'to-do' list. If nothing else, Crete would be a good forward base for air operations vs Egypt and Allied sea operations in the eastern Med.

I need every plane in Russia!!!

North Africa has hopefully sorted itself out, but your suggestion of a winter war in Greece is a good one. (If I have an army left by winter). I would need to pull back some troops if I haven't won by then and they may as well be useful.

I count 79 divisions on the boarder + another 10-15 in production + ~30 Hungarian vs. the ~150 historical so your only missing the Rumanian's and Fins. Later some 20+ Italians would join, helping them by bombing Malta, Athens, Crete and N.Africa from bases in Italy/Greece would help free Italians to fight for you.

Now you have to decide, do you want to win during the first season or plan for a multi year campaign?
To win in one year you have to destroy the Soviets on the boarder, advance reckless into the interior, winning is a line just east of Moscow!

If you plan or fear a multi year campaign you have to plan where you want to defend during winter, a huge advantage is that you now can make same continent supplies ie. from Kiel to Riga, this means you can hold only some coastal areas that was a problem in earlier versions. Building and expanding harbours in southern and northern Russia might be an idea.
In winter supplies are in an all time low so all arm and planes (and maybe most mot) should be evacuated to the west, your allies will help you eat your supplies and hold your line.
But you will need a lot of police units to secure the supplies, gar simply doesn't do it and should only be used where there is a military threat, start building 15 parallel builds in 5 series. As you advance place them on your supply routes, research suppression, gar has 2 suppression police has 3. Take a look at your partisan and supply route maps, where there is an overlap you should place more police.

Building more combat units will only help you at the start of the campaign especially armour and planes will drain a lot of supplies, if you want more units build some gar to free up half the inf in west and south Europe.
Starting in May should give you a huge advantage in time that is not to be ignored, but starting before 22. Juni is cheating :)

Well, I am cheating a little then :eek:. But I did give the USSR a huge boost more than a year aog by fixing their MP problems.

I check my supply/infra/partisan maps constantly. What makes it harder for me is that I am determined to let the AI handle as much as I can. So while I could control the partisans with a few well placed CAV or AC brigades, I have chosen to set up armies in the occupied areas and give them garrisons, objectives etc and let them handle it. It is slow and expensive but I suppose that is an offset to the fact I am playing on "Normal" rahter than "Hard".

You will see (I think in the next update) that I am researching better police.

I was making a reference to 'Gröfaz', and my written german is rubbish :eek:o

I am a bit worried that the OOB is put together before the plan is made. As you know supply is the biggest factor in the game, and the placement of various units (including air) doesn't reflect the boost in seaborne supply you can get with the northern and southern flank of Unternehmen Barbarossa. The short legs of the CAS formations make them more suitable in certain areas than other, and their effect on hard targets need to be accounted for.

I realised that later. My German is at a level where I have to understand the individual words, then try to see if phrases appear etc. So I can't make the intuitive leaps all you multi-lingual Europeans can. I can never work out if something is a mispelling or a word Ihaven't met, or some slang. Or, as in this case, a quote.

Supply is always foremost in my mind. The Army set ups are for numbers on the border, and the CAS allocations are simply to spread them over the front line airfields. The AI sends mountains of supplies to airbases, so it is a way of getting stockpiles at the front. It is quite likely that OKW (me) will move air assets around to enhance success and repair failure. As for hard targets, my radar shows Russian armour all along the front: no concentrations.

I think (hope ;) will see a supply pattern appear after a few weeks of combat.

It does seem that you could do with a few more units. You might need to take a risk with the West and ship a few more units to the front. New units (produced too late for Barbarossa) can always be used to rebuild your Western Armies. Unfortunately, you need to watch your manpower. The AI is prolific in attacks, many of them poorly supported. The AI will chew through your manpower reserves.

I see you have the Armies on prepare stance. Would it not be better for them to have their Barbarossa objectives, so the AI puts the units where they will be needed when you go to war? I am pretty sure the AI will undertake no offensive action before war is declared.

You still have some time in hand. You could probably shift a corps to Greece and assault Athens and still be back in place in time for Barbarossa. A Corps is all it would take and the Italians would be better placed to help you if you need it.

Did you build some marines? Are you planning some landings along the Baltic coast? If so, your relatively weak Army of North Poland could do with landings in the Riga area. This might help cut-off and destroy some Russian units and speed up your advance. Careful use of the paratroopers could also assist these efforts but you will need air superiority and you will want to know you can link with the drop zones in time (a little better that how they did it for the 1st Airborne in Arnhem).

When will you tell us of the plan?

I don't think I am giving too much away by saying that in the first week of the invasion it becomes apparent to OKH that the West must sacrifce its best troops and commanders to the Drang nach Osten.

Remember those maps were for the end of Feb: plenty of time for a change of stance and a change of objectives.

I can confirm one thing: no time to help in Greece. Well, two things - the Marines are not in Stettin for the sea air.

I wish you the best with conquering the Soviet Union. I've done with Hungary, so I'm sure you, with your meticulously designed military formations will do well.

However, two thoughts to throw out; Von Paulus is too good a general to waste on a secondary front like Scandinavia. Another level 5 general on the Ostfront could prove invaluable, to say the least. If you've got something special planned for those despicable vikings in the north, then disregard my statement. Another idea is start shifting your now insanely skilled U-Boat admirals to surface fleets; lvl 8 and 9 admirals could prove absolutely devastating against the Royal Navy, and eventually, the behemoth US Navy.

And now I return to getting my arse handed to me in my current Japan game; I fear not American warships, for they break like wet paper before my mighty fleets, but the constant drumbeat of "WE NEED MOAR FUEL" will drive me to madness.

I fear my "meticulously designed" formations are about to get dirty and dented. But thank you for noticing!

I though about von Paulus (he is a 4 by the way). His skills are "Defensive" and "Logistics" so I felt he was better in the Nordsee area. If I am to be invaded, that is the worst place for it to happen so I need to squash it quick. I suppose if I have to spend a winter in Russia he may be transferred to hold a section of the line.

As for the U-boat commanders, I did think of that but it seemed a bit gamey. Raeder and his pals are better than the Brits they have met so far, and there seems something still wrong with the Anti-sub mechanisms. I cannot believe the RN has only found my subs three or four times in 2 years continuous operatiosn. So I am reluctant to take advantage of a flaw in the game.


And I feel your pain re Japan: it is heartbreaking to look at your magnificent ships, built with blood and sweat over years, sitting idle. I think Japan is a real test. Maybe my next AAR ....

Best quote of WWII! :p

Please don't start a competition! It would never end.

don't worry about how many troops the enemy has. Let him worry wbout how many less troops he will have after the first pockets ^^.

On a more OOBish note.
I tend to keep Rommel/Manstein/Guderian etc. into the 'fighting' HQ units. They get to actually lead attacks more often that way and I can use their nice bonus(es) (or is it boni?) So it's corps/army hq for them.

I hope to get some pockets, but it will take a while to break deep. the key is to keep the AI from escaping - it is very sensitive to potential encirclements.

With the level 5 leaders, I work in the basis that the "waterfall" effect is best served by putting them higher up. I can't remember the actual figures but Ithink that the skill bonus is halved every level in between the unit and the leader. So if Rommel is a group commander, each division only gets 1/8 of his skill and attributes. But he will have far more than 8 divs under him, so you come out in front. In addition, the skill level of the Group commanders has a direct impact on supply consumption, which will be critical for me.

Field Marshall - Theater - Reduces Coordination Penalty for # of units
Field Marshall - Group - Reduces Supply Consumption of units in range
General - Army - Adds to Org of nearby units
Lieutenant General - Corps - Improves odds of reserves moving up
Major General - Division - Bonus to combat efficiency


As for the plural of "bonus" I am not sure - it is an male adjective so Iassume "boni". One thing I am sure of: in the USA it is not "boners".

This is intolerable. I am used to having plenty of pages at the ready when I log on, this waiting for an update buisiness is new and scary.

Mea culpa! If only I could do this as a full time occupation. :D

"Building more combat units will only help you at the start of the campaign especially armour and planes will drain a lot of supplies, if you want more units build some gar to free up half the inf in west and south Europe." Surt makes a very good point, Your OOB shows a lot of front line troops guarding in the west, their talents are much better used holding the flanks of your armored spearheads in the east and collapsing pockets.

I have found Garrison units to be unreliable in any use other than sitting in fortifications or guarding ports and important cities (I build them in the same configuration of 2xGAR 1AA 1RART, sometimes substituting MPs for the rockets off the coast). All of your internal security can be handled by some well placed Cav (they never run out of fuel) and then a fast mobile reserve of mot and/or light arm near the coast as a fire brigade. Not until a few months after the USA enters the conflict will you need more real troops in the west.

So does Stabber, "The short legs of the CAS formations make them more suitable in certain areas than other, and their effect on hard targets need to be accounted for." I found the CAS with their more limited range, more effective based farther north where the provinces are smaller and there are more contentious river crossing once hostilities begin. TACs with so much more range do well in the south where the air strips are smaller, you can base them in a spread and they can still support each other.

Also you might consider moving the NAVs closer to the action along the northsea, best case they will catch the red flt and clear the way for amphib manuvers into Riga etc and worst case you can use them for less effective interdiction and intercepter bait so the CAS and TAC can reach their targets.

"Ah, my cunning set-up has confused everyone. Actually it is to get everyone to the border, for reasons which will become clear next update." Oh boy...I hope the news isnt as ominous as it sounds...will you start early? full mobilization will make an already tough mission even tougher. We wait with baited breath...

There ar emoves to strip the better divs from the west. I talked about my garrison issues with the AI before. You are right, but if I want the aI to do it I need more units. That's why I have lots of Garr divs with police attachments. The Garrison Armies have defend stance and and their objectives are factory/MP/Leadership cities and resource areas. So I have a network of units scattered around. I would like ot have a fe sspare cav, but MP is an issue.

And the CAS will be shifted, but I build up my close airfields over the past year so they should handle both CAS and INT. Of course sometimes the AI shifts them back, but usually when they have taken a spanking. My only role is to move them from one Army to the other - that will depend on the speed of advance. But I agree that CAS are great for river crossings.

I think NAVS may be expensive bait. That's not to say I may not assign them to Armies if my aircraft losses are hihg.

So you have 78 or 79 divisions on the entire front including Romania. I wish you luck but this might not turn out too well. You really should have 100 divisions in just Poland. The AI doesn't do a decent job with small numbers of divisions in large areas like the SU. With Romania you really needed close to 125+ divisions.

The best bet is a pincer move to Minsk and Kiev. From Minsk go NW to Riga and south to link up with Kiew movement north. From Kiev move north to link up with Minsk and SE to Black Sea. Hold the line with just 1 or 2 divisions. This is your best bet to surround the red army in three hugh pockets. Then destroy them one at a time while miving faster troops farther east and north.

Unfortunately the AI won't be able to do this so the AI has to rely on brute force. And that is where you are in trouble because you are outnumbered. I wish you luck but it seems your girlfriend might end up serving the red army in a year or two.

You malign the fighting spirit of my electronic men! One of my divisions (see "meticulously designed above :rolleyes:) can take on a dozen Communists!

Your suggestions are not too far from what I have in mind - but I have some doubts as to how closely the AI will follow my orders. Some of these generals have minds of their own. Yes von Manstein, I'm looking at you!

BTW, before I press the bitton for total war: I never said I would win. And a good filing clerk is indispensable - evcen the Red Army knows that.
 
"We wait with baited breath... "

Not me. I brush and floss thrice daily. ;)

English has its traps: there are a lot of homonyms. (I think that is what we call two words that sound the same but are spelt differently and have different meanings).

There is a big differnce between "bated" and "baited", even though they sound the same.

Great update !

I didn't see that one coming, I always have Barbarossa forced on me as a result of feverish building on my own, so this was a game feature I did not know existed.

Red faces all around in the cabinet.

Well, nobody was more surprised than me.While I often break the treaty, previously I must have had 50% so never noticed. I only checked on March 22nd, so all my plans have been delayed. I assumed that the treaty expires after 2 years. If not, it could be a very quiet game!

ah the perils of small print .... there was an article on UK radio yesterday about how no-one reads those terms and conditions we gleefully click 'yes' to when engaged in purchasing stuff on line ... and the nasty problems that can result.

So you have 1/3 of the Soviet strength on the border? Not necessarily that bad, as the AI doesn't really do a set up in depth so that is probably the bulk of the Soviets .... all sat there waiting for you to destroy them where your supply and other advantages are at their strongest (thats the optimistic reading anyway). Also if you do get stuck in in mid-April you've a long period before the winter weather sets in in mid/late November.

Yes, I am aware of the traps in fine print. At work I have to plough through contract and deeds but at least I get paid to do that. At home, I used ot read EULAs but they get so mind-numbinlgy tedious. I really think a court might say a reasonable person could not be expected to read them all.

But von Ribbentrop should have read his! And I don't worry about 3:1 odds. If it is still 3:1 in October I'll be concerned.
 
I hope this is not going OT, but is the Itallian AI trying to reflect the skills of it's commanders ??? I often find that they perform poorly compared to other nations controlled by the AI.

I have not played Italy much because it takes so much time to reorganise the binary divisions, and you can't do much with the nation without going extremely ahistorical. That aside I often find greece and North Africa well within the capabilities of the Itallian forces.

(PS I sent you a PM Uriah, that may or may not be interesting)
 
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'Waffenstillsandsabkommnen' German is such a jaw breaker...

On a more diplomatic tone.. i'm just imagining the non aggression pact stopping the tanks at the border like a chain.. Really fine print. Just throw it overboard and run through the nearest russkie..for crying out loud!!!

About commanders . I always thought that putting anything more than logistics wizards on the army group/theater level was a waste of bonuses. But I'm not really a number cruncher so... Eagerly awaiting the first reports from östfront !!!