HRE Emperor defensive war

Vicar of Christ · Aug 30, 2014

Hello,

The HRE emperor Austria is tied up in two war so Provence is eyeing for a opportunistic land grab while the truce with France is cooling off. Even if Austria is not a position to intervene... better be save than sorry. My target, Savoy, is actually at war with Austria. Will Austria join a war with me to defend the HRE member under attack if it is at war with it?

Also, I got a claim on Savoy capital via event. Normally you can't fabricate claim on the capital itself so I'm wondering, since I have a claim and its going to be the war goal, will it let me take the capital even if the province is not isolated from the others?

Thanks

Xara · Aug 30, 2014

A nation cannot simultaneously be on the same and on the opposing side of a nation at war. If you attack the nation the Emperor is at war with, they can't defend them.

And no, you cannot take a nation's capital + anything else unless you are fully annexing them, and you still can't annex only a non-isolated capital even if you get a claim on it.

Thesian · Aug 30, 2014

Vicar of Christ said:
Will Austria join a war with me to defend the HRE member under attack if it is at war with it?

No, it won't. It can of course call unlawful territory if neither you nor Austria is at war while you haven't finished coring your gains.

Vicar of Christ said:
since I have a claim and its going to be the war goal, will it let me take the capital even if the province is not isolated from the others?

No, it won't. Byzantium starts in a similar situation with even having a core on the Ottoman capital of Edirne.

atwix · Aug 30, 2014

another tactic is to enforce peace if austria is involved in offensive war. When you get into that war through enforce peace, you can declare on *any* hre member at will, and then peace out of the first war..

Gamey yes, but it is ideal to grab electors.

Stgerlachus · Aug 30, 2014

atwix said:
another tactic is to enforce peace if austria is involved in offensive war. When you get into that war through enforce peace, you can declare on *any* hre member at will, and then peace out of the first war..

Gamey yes, but it is ideal to grab electors.

Wait, are you sure this works? Because I'm pretty sure you aren't allowed to declare war on an HRE member if you're in the same war as the emperor, on either side. Unless of course that ban is somehow broken through enforce peace, which would be very gamey yes, though useful.

Xara · Aug 30, 2014

atwix said:
another tactic is to enforce peace if austria is involved in offensive war. When you get into that war through enforce peace, you can declare on *any* hre member at will, and then peace out of the first war..

Gamey yes, but it is ideal to grab electors.

You can't attack the HRE if you're in a war with or against the Emperor. If you're an HRE member, you can't start a war within a month's time of the emperor going to war, either.

atwix · Aug 31, 2014

Xara said:
You can't attack the HRE if you're in a war with or against the Emperor. If you're an HRE member, you can't start a war within a month's time of the emperor going to war, either.

I was wrong then yes, but i'm pretty sure i somehow did it through enforcing peace at some point..

Maybe by sending two diplomats to enforce peace on same day? One for a war austria is involved in.. One when electors are in offensive war, and send the two diplomats on same day...? Or dow on same day as enforcing peace? Enforcing peace does not put you into the war directly, until day after right? I should try out how i did it, and if they patched it i guess.

I was wrong on the "declare on any HRE member at will" part, i'm sorry for that.

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