) but playing as Iroquois or Cheerokee offers the same experience, so you won't play all NA once 
They are very fun to play and can be very powerful (in the MP games I play they are forbidden because "OP"
I guess playing a OPM who can migrate is different from them, so you'll play 2-3 games with them I guess.
I don't remeber how much cost COP, but if you play NA and Colonial nations it should be worth
EDIT : I didn't play any non-wetern nation since 1.7, so i don't know how westernization is
You don't need CoP to play as NA tribes, but you do need it to unlock their special mechanics. So yes, for migration, special buildings, government reform and native advancements, you do need CoP.You need CoP to play NA. (I think, otherwise buying it would be useless)
As only NA can migrate, it would be hard to do it without COP
So to westernize you need to be as small as possible, tons of cash and MP reserved and every way to reduce revolt risk and still wait decades? I understand becoming European should not be one nights work but stil...It takes immensly long for them to westernize because of the amount of monarch points you need ( = save up ) in order to do so. Also for each 15 basetax that you have you'll will be drained one less monarch point ( normally 15 - for every 15 basetax it reduces that monarch point modifier though - so it's then 14, 13 , etc. ). On first sight this seems good because you don't lose as many but since you'll need 5000 this can mean that you advance very slowly in westernization. Which then in turn means additional high revolt risk and advisor costs for more than you'd imagine - also constant rebellions or religious unity problems if you choose to convert to the Christian faith group ( Catholic / Protestant / Reformed ).
The problem being here that it should reduce the monarch points drained for each 40(!) instead of 15 basetax and that seems to be a bug currently. So you'll have it even more difficult than you should have. This can result in insanly high westernization processes. Let's say you have 75 basetax until the colonial nations like Castile, Portugal and England arrive. You'd then be down to 10 points per month. So since you only spend 10 points on your 5000 limit, you'd have a 500 month process - 40 years and up. And that's being on the low end. Even with the original 15 point drain you'd look at 30 years and up. Now imagine you'd have more territory which is entirely possible and you'd look at 60 years and more. Keeping your nation stable over such a long time is quite a challenge to say the least.
The rebellions will drain your manpower because you'll need to fight the rebels. You'll either lose prestige or legitimacy constantly because of yearly events for the whole duration of the process. It comes down to "less prestige / legitimacy --> more revolts and repeat". Generally it's considered one of the most difficult westernization processes currently in the game if I understood the current forum consensus about it.
I tried it once with these changes to westernization. I got utterly destroyed. Then again it was my first westernization with the natives after the patch ( and these new mechanics ) and I was just not used to the procedure that is necessary to survive
And after westernization you lose all native ideas and buildings I read. Is there any point investing heavily on them at all if you lose them? Also after westernization what will be your tech level?The smaller the better, yes, because you'd have less provinces to cover with your armies. A theologian is definitely the best way to keep your revolt risk down since you will tank legitimacy no matter what - you cannot rely on that for too long. However it should be noted that a westernization decision will let you choose between losing westernization progress or legitimacy/prestige/monarch points, etc. Under these current circumstances sometimes it can help to chose progress instead of a very important resource. The events are yearly though, if you do this for 40 years you might in fact never be finishing it up
In theory you'd also want to *not* choose any national decisions prior to westernization that would increase national revolt risk. You also have the opportunity to use Harsh Treatment now for 15 years ( in patch 1.7 ) instead of 10, so that does help. If you also have "Res Publica" you can use your national focus potentially to circumvent some of the problems in one specific monarch point area where you'd lose the most points in, so you could technically balance it out a bit.
Couldn't you just release several large vassals to:The smaller the better, yes, because you'd have less provinces to cover with your armies. A theologian is definitely the best way to keep your revolt risk down since you will tank legitimacy no matter what - you cannot rely on that for too long. However it should be noted that a westernization decision will let you choose between losing westernization progress or legitimacy/prestige/monarch points, etc. Under these current circumstances sometimes it can help to chose progress instead of a very important resource. The events are yearly though, if you do this for 40 years you might in fact never be finishing it up
In theory you'd also want to *not* choose any national decisions prior to westernization that would increase national revolt risk. You also have the opportunity to use Harsh Treatment now for 15 years ( in patch 1.7 ) instead of 10, so that does help. If you also have "Res Publica" you can use your national focus potentially to circumvent some of the problems in one specific monarch point area where you'd lose the most points in, so you could technically balance it out a bit.
Sounds like worth of it if working.
