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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by ROMMEL_HSQ View Post
    I would like to remind our dear army general that he is in no position to dictate something clearly a branch of the Imperial Japanese Navy.
    I'm a bit unsure about what Yamamoto wants with them there and why this exact number, it looks like a defensive setup but marines should primarily be used offensively against coastal fortified positions which cannot be landed next to. Undefended places can be taken by a granny and her Gar brigade.

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    This is a proposed budget before I comment on the latest parts notes.
    A mix of my and Yamamoto's ideas.

    Production.


    The 2 Gar divisions are reserve, 2xGar+art. For practice and homeland defence.
    5 industry, for greater power.
    2 ports, an airbase, for practice, change to 3 factories when finished. Placement is not finite.
    The upgrades would keep us from coming too far behind.
    Reinforcements are to keep up with attrition.
    Supplies need to be there, we might have to make inroads in the production if we go negative.

    The CaG is taking up the slack, the production of this should be renewed when finished, 2-3 times, the extra are reserves for the CV and doubles as interceptor and nav until needed.

    Leadership


    Leadership is slightly off as I experimented with Ministers here, originally is 17.00.

    Refill with other techs from the same group if finished before 1. half year.

    The 2 leadership in spies is needed to get 0.1 spy/day.
    The 2 in officers is to not get too far behind.

    Some common useful techs are selected. As I understood it, Yamamoto didn't want the Industrial Production while I like it, I'm not totally convinced its not useful, but we might do Supply production instead.
    Now I can't say what the navy wants so I just filled in some tech's they might want.
    For the others tech's I would I as the army.

    Intelligence

    This is setup as I think Yamamoto suggested.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Gensui Yamamoto View Post
    Having seen that most of us have put forward our general proposals, it might be wise to see where agreements and disagreements in strategy lie before compromise. That way, we are not compromising strategy, but rather the implementations of said strategy. A cohesive strategy is required to victor here.

    I have ranked these into strategic ‘spheres’, in decreasing order of importance/urgency of how we should look to conduct the next year. If I or II are not to be our focus, then we shall need one of you to offer an alternate detailed strategic plan for review.


    I.
    Our general major strategy should be to seek ‘Great Power’ status (It might be the wrong term but the next international status tier) (100IC 300 brigades* ??) as soon as possible by investment in industry.
    The requirement is 200IC and 300 brigades for greater power, we got 105IC and 251 brigades afair. The brigades should not be a problem, we will have MP out of our ears for some time to come.

    Of the missing 95 IC, we might get 40 from China, effective 47, leaving 48 missing.
    We can upgrade Industrial production 2 times before '40 for 5% more (for a total bonus of 17.5%) which should mean 9 IC's here.
    39 to go. so around 5 times 8 factories.


    I actually might concur that my initial thoughts on general budget may not be ‘sufficient’ to achieve this, we really need a full 6 national industrial plants, and we may have to seek to see only one capital ship in the yearly production queue, rather than the two I might have envisaged. Produce the CAGs for the IJN Soyna(sp?) in serial, than parallel.

    Again the rationale for this is strong. It will significantly improve our leadership abilities! And with that we can then use that additional leadership to allow for research programs ‘in the queue’ that General Surt didn’t think added up. Sure even then we appear to have too many line of technology for our researchers, but what I envisage is that some technologies are at the moment ‘advanced enough’ and it is only as we have to keep them up-to-date in future years.

    So why I am saying here is the focus, and here is the paths I should like to see followed, that might not nessicarly mean that we need them researched now, but and opportunity within the current year might allow us to research such technologies. If you get my point.

    I would strongly support this cause of action.

    *already achieved


    II.
    Are we in agreement, that the focus of the next three years policy should be to;
    1.a Support, the Warlord cliques in western China (Yunnan gives us good proximity influence, hence why we need to work on Long Yun, this will make a military alliance possibility with Guangxi, “maybe” or “likely” possible within the next year or a bit, rather than if we only one on Guangxi)
    1.b Seek to, and repeatedly envoy Guangxi/Yunnan to sign a military alliance as they become threatened by the Kuomintang, and come to the axis corner.
    If the head of intelligence can say good for this plan...

    1.b CLAUSE:
    With work, such alliance will become inevitable, however if in the short term our efforts to independently ally with the Chinese Warlord cliques fail, then we shall have to delay our Chinese ambitions, until we have Germany willing to counter-sign and support an invitation into the fold.

    2.a Focus, on creating a Casus belli for war in China, by creating a homeland ‘cause for action’ (lower neutrality in Japan, raise threat in the PRC and Republic of China)
    2.b Focus on policy not to cause undue threat against the ‘Greater Chinese peoples’, (we must not undertake actions or support events that generate threat in Guangxi or Yunnan, only in the PRC and Kumintang), and the Colonial powers of Britain, France and the United States.
    So not leaving the naval treaties too soon, nor make strange diplomatic moves.

    3.a Prepare a military strategy for war in China within the next 3 years
    4. Align with the axis powers

    By independently isolating these powers, rather than finding a united China any ‘deficiencies’ in our armed forces will be mitigated by having Gungxi focus fighting a second front with the Kuomintang forces, I have checked with my subordinates in battle planning and strategic exercise, the strain of a two pronged front, coupled with landings at Shanhai, Fuzion(sp?) and Quingdao(sp?) simply stretches the Kuomintang forces too thin, victory surely follows.

    However given that we might not know the full strength of the enemy while I can assure you that from my current intell it is a swift victory, if the Chinese have additional unknown about assets, it will be a tougher fight, but I do believe it will still be easier than if we took on a united China.

    I strongly support this action.
    Again, this sounds reasonable as a preliminary plan, if the intelligence Minister says good for it.
    But I think ill need to go back and read why Yunnan is important here.


    III.
    Are we in agreement to support a ‘not one step backwards’ stance with the Pacific islands? While my fellow Generals and Admirals appear to be in disagreement with me about the vulnerability of supply convoys and the additional costs this will incur to support ‘vast numbers’ of troops on the Pacific islands. I will concede, that it is better to swallow ones pride when outnumbered such.

    1. Build or reorganise strategic assets such that all Pacific island ports (including Naha, Taiwan and the Japanese home islands) have a 3xGAR division present.
    Important places we might want 2xGAR+some kind of art.
    2. Insure that we have the following assets by at least 1940; On this I shall not budge!
    -- Build 2, 4x Marine divisions (for Saipan and Malolap when we have the ability to do so)
    -- Build 2, 3x Marine divisions (for Truk, and Kwajalein.)
    These assets do not need to be recruited now, but certainly in the near future.

    The rationale for this is strong, Marine assets can be utilized both aggressively and defensively. While they may not see action in China the technologies developed for them to fight effectively will improve the amphibious warfare skills of all our infantry troops.

    Furthermore, should we later find ourselves at war with any of the great powers having the ability to conduct amphibious assaults in more than one location at a time is a major operations bonus.

    I will support this strategy, particularly if given marine elements are recruited as and when they can be, by said date.
    You are very insistent on that exact configuration of Marines, why is that? I fail to see much difference in 3-4 div of 3-4 brigades of marines, especially as I see most landings as unopposed next to harbours?!?


    IV.
    On research and budgeting. Should we be on agreement with I. it is my suggestion that we cancel the current cruiser production, as well as one of the CAG wings, continue the production of the current Destroyer and Carrier. When the first CAG wing is finished, we start the next wing (and then possibly another for reserves?), thus CAG construction in serial.

    Then we seek to site at least 4 new national industry plants and a couple of airfields/ UPGRADE a couple of ports. Having checked the intelligence, island infrastructure should not be a priority, it’s good enough as is. Then when these are done, in a couple of months, start construction of at least another 2 national industrial plants, if not another 4-6 if we can afford it.

    It is highly unlikely we shall need any new industry in future after this. We can then look to improve our armed forces.
    See above why I think it is likely we need to build more.

    20% upgrades is indeed similar to General Surts analysis for IC allocation.

    Research:
    1. Do we have agreement on;
    a. IInfantry Small Arms, Defensive & Offensive weapons, as well as light anti-armour weapons to at least a required level to seek to build marines
    a.II To push the first 3 as much as possible, only when research becomes inefficient, to use those slots to improve our specialist divisions.
    I still don't like ahead, but if all others thinks its an good idea, we could go with 1 (One) research slot for ahead research.

    b.I Heavy fighter development, and to keep the ‘fighter stream’ of technology as up-to-date as possible, currently it is, so the 7 slots here will only be required when we start into mid-’37 or 38’. This should include our CAS training.
    I think its an good idea to keep them up to date if possible.

    b.II I suggest pushing for interdiction air doctrine and ‘into combat’ targeting, the low movement speeds, and using the current strength of our air force as ‘air artillery’ will be far more profitable in my opinion than our forces having to horse tow guns through Asia, and mechanisation will cost us too much fuel.
    c. Industrial efficiency, and to push this. Seeking mass production after we have established a great power industrial base.
    What is "into combat"? ground attack?
    Ok, so no motorised artillery.

    These I defiantly want to see.

    d.I Cross Doctrine Light Armour
    “Take the Armoured Schwerpunk path for AC and L-Arm bonuses, for the first two levels, then switch to Cavalry Tank, at the 1940(?) level, to gain another L-Arm bonus, don’t bother with any tank techs other than L-Arm, and then focus on armour, and reliability (then gun). Speed isn’t important”

    This upgrades all our AC, and L-arm assets, while we have few of the latter now, the bonus to the AC will aid all our current support divisions.

    Then in the future, allows us to build strong L-arm to give additional punch against the other great powers. L-arm might not be Germany’s Armour, but we simply do not have that capability.

    d.II Grand Battleplan
    Again, it makes sense, our support divisions are already full of these assets, we should not ignore the bonuses it will give us.

    Massing firepower, while nice in theory I believe will make our support brigade too costly in China, and victory will not be swift at all! It will mean we shall have to airlift fuel oil into the field at huge cost, since the infrastructure is not good enough, nor do we have the oil to maintain, navy, air and large numbers of ground units.

    Motorising our support brigades should not be anywhere near our plans, at least not now.

    This stance of Grand Planning might look defensive, but a plan can also be offensive .
    No motorised artillery = no superior firepower.

    And we agreed on the 3rd doctrine? Infiltration I think?

    Apart from generally keeping air up-to-date and in the aforementioned roles, I defer most other technology streams to the Navy, and anybody else with strategic concerns. These doctrines are my preference. I am willing to listen to other argument though...


    Thoughts, Commends or Amendments?

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    On another note: Can we not quote massive sections of text, simply referring to sections ideas and plans should suffice, and it allows for clearer more concise reasoning, and in general actually decreases misunderstanding, as context is often lost through quote-comment-quote.
    OK, next time, now I've written all my stuff in your context.

  4. #24
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    Final Plan of the „old“ IJN

    Introduction:
    The Empire of Japan already is spanning from the far north almost to the equator and from Taiwan halfway across the Pacific. It is a vast space with a lot of challenges, possibilities, liabilities… and chances.

    Preliminary considerations:
    Our direct neighbours are no threat to us individually. However, their alliances among each other and with other powers limit our military possibilities. Australia and New Zealand are both part of the British Commonwealth and will be supported by Britain, France and their minions. Even worse, a conflict between the so called Allies and us might alienate the USA so much that they eventually join the Allied camp. Indochina is a French puppet and does fall into the same category, as does the Philippines.

    Thailand could be a possible target for our expansion. It is relatively weak, has no support abroad and can be reached from our bases. We estimate that we do not even need a large force to either conquer the country or install a cooperative regime. However, Thailand does not have a large industrial base or a many resources. We would gain a relatively far away outpost with a large border with the United Kingdom and Indochina.

    Soviet Russia is a vast country with lots of riches, but most of them are a long distance away from our common border. Also, their industrial production centers are located west of the Ural mountains and their land forces are much more numerous than ours. Soviet Russia poses a threat to the Empire and needs to be dealt with on our terms.
    The Dutch East Indies would be another possible target, though it is hard to imagine that the Allies would sit idle while our forces march into these areas. However, there are a lot of resources located there which we do need.

    Last but not least, the Chinese factions. Nationalist China seems to be posed to strike at the other factions and reunite the thorn empire. This is something we do not want to happen. A unified China, regardless under which flag, does pose a substantial threat to us in the long term. Having a the Soviets breathing down our necks is bad enough, but adding China into this would complicate the situation immensely. Acquiring the Chinese industrial sites and their resources would, however, mean a much needed addition to our own assets.

    Diplomacy and Trade:
    If we want to gain increase our influence on the continent (at the expense of the Chinese factions), we should try to avoid having to fight all of them at the same time. Thus we need to try to influence at least both, the Yunnan and the Gunaxi Cliques, so they do not rally under the Nationalist China flag if we should happen to be at war with them. Similarily, we should try to negotiate as many trade deals with the USA as reasonably possible, so our currency can sway their opinion in our favor if diplomacy can’t influence them enough. If we do have spare resources, we should try to influence the other Chinese factions, too, dividing them before conquering them.

    Whether we align ourselves to the Allies, the Axis or keep to ourselves is up for our emperor to decide.

    Leadership:
    Assuming that the Emperor decides that Japan is going to expand our influence on the continent, we suggest the following steps:
    - Cancel intelligence missions abroad
    - Create ten intelligence circles on our soil and have them supporting our party, unless hostile factions try to install their spies in Japan.
    - Maintain a modest investment in officer recruitment
    - Only invest into diplomats if there is an actual need for them

    When neccessary, we do agree to temporarily change our investments, ie substantially increase officer recruitement if neccessary.

    Research:
    Quite frankly, we do need to increase the combat value of all our forces. Under the afore mentioned assumption we do suggest to research infantry weapons, infantry land doctrines, single engine aircraft and their corresponding doctrines, supply transportation and organization improvements and, last but not least, capital ship improvements.

    In view of our very limited possibilities, we do need to avoid splitting up our bright minds into too many branches of research, hence we should avoid researching twin engine aircraft. This would benefit the Carrier wings, too.

    Production:
    Considering an involvement on the continent, the admirality assumes that the navy has sufficient forces to maintain a close blockade of the Chinese coast and still support the armed forces with shore bombardments if the opportunity arises. However, we do need to keep up with other nations and should start the construction of one battleship, one battlecruiser and 2 heavy cruisers so our engineers do not lose their knowledge.

    Apart from that, we strongly advocate raising two corps of marine infantry with triangle five divisions. This force will greatly improve our power projection across the Pacific and will also be very useful if we are indeed expanding our influence elsewhere. Two parallel and five serial builds would suffice here.

    The admiralty considers the protection of Japan and the Pacific islands it’s foremost duty. Hence we do suggest that each island with a port should be protected by a garrison unit of three brigades. This will enable us to keep aggressors in check until the fleet can relieve them. It will also deny any opponent in this area easy targets which could be used as forward bases for attacks onto Japan. If the army agrees, we could attach any garrisons currently on the continent and transport them to Pacific islands which lack protection. The garrisons should be produced as needed, ie if we are going to get involved on the continent, the protection of the islands does not have as high a priority as if we were going to be engaged in the Pacific. However, the very minimum we require is a full triangle garrison division in each port on the Japanese home isles.

    Apart from that, we suggest to increase the army according to their plans. We furthermore assume that the army will plan for their air support, too, but we strongly suggest to stick to single engine aircraft for afore mentioned reasons.

    Politics:
    We suggest to replace our Foreign Minister with someone more fitting to our plans. Likewise, we suggest to replace the Head of Intelligence, Chief of Staff and Chief of Navy with more capable people.
    Last edited by Baltasar; 06-10-2011 at 10:20.

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    I'm glad to hear that there is a least some agreement between the army and navy, but I'm not sure its a good idea to start expanding the navy anymore than the current 2 ships in progress (meaning cancelling even the CA that is planned but not yet started).
    The primary reason is to expand the common industrial base but even so much that the capital ships tech is very out of date and should be upgraded first before we invest the around 38 IC in the ships the battlewagon faction suggests. Capital ships guns need 2-3 updates just to be up to date and so does engines for battlewagons, also the BC need some tech research first, CA's need a single upgrade I seem to remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surt View Post
    I'm glad to hear that there is a least some agreement between the army and navy, but I'm not sure its a good idea to start expanding the navy anymore than the current 2 ships in progress (meaning cancelling even the CA that is planned but not yet started).
    The primary reason is to expand the common industrial base but even so much that the capital ships tech is very out of date and should be upgraded first before we invest the around 38 IC in the ships the battlewagon faction suggests. Capital ships guns need 2-3 updates just to be up to date and so does engines for battlewagons, also the BC need some tech research first, CA's need a single upgrade I seem to remember.
    The construction of new units is meant to complete the current fleet and to maintain our level of knowledge. We also think that expanding the industry is a worthwhile goal, but that our army is much too small and needs drastic expansion if it is to fight the wars we seem to steer into. Futhermore, as we have seen, if we do want to achieve the status of a great power, we need to almost double our current ICs, which we think is more feasible if we manage to win a quick war and then concentrate on the expansion of our industry.

    As a compromise, we could agree to build two CA's in serial, and may wait with the construction of the other two new units until more advanced technologies have been researched. However, we'd to this with the fate of the Empire in mind and expect the commanders from the army to behave in the same manner.
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  7. #27
    I would like for all Generals of the Army to either approve my suggested budget for the next 6 months (after which we can discuss it again if needed) or come up with an alternative fast, as we need to present the Emperor with an approved budget soon (before 7th of October).

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    I approve of this.

    (I'm more of a military person so..)
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    I hope the battlewagon faction has offered a sensible plan here. In that sense, we agree and disagree on the points given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltasar View Post
    I hope the battlewagon faction has offered a sensible plan here. In that sense, we agree and disagree on the points given.
    Admiral Baltasar, I think you need to agree with the other Admirals of the Navy in some way, like all Generals should agree on the army budget.

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    I assumed that we only need to agree on a plan within a faction, which means I have to come to an agreement with arkham1010. If we have to discuss within our respective branches, the point of having different factions within the branches seems to lost on me. However, DoomBunny and ROMMEL_HSQ are free to comment on the plan outlined by the battlewagon faction in post #24.

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    Those of us not chained like women to the ways of the past have other ideas. I would like to propose negotiations by private communique, to decide where the efforts of production and research are to be targeted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomBunny View Post
    Those of us not chained like women to the ways of the past have other ideas. I would like to propose negotiations by private communique, to decide where the efforts of production and research are to be targeted.
    Those without a civilized behavior should find a more fitting occupation, like applying for a penal batallion to regain their honor. I would instead propose to continue communication here, as it would spare us the hassle to clean out the inbox every day.

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    *Technical note

    Remember the rules:
    each faction should present one final plan approved by all mini-factions of a given major faction, which should be designated with bolded words "FINAL PLAN", written in capital letters; preferably, the whole process shouldn't take more than 5-6 days
    Both major factions should also come to an agreement in matters concerning the whole Japan, like sliders, laws, ministers (except the Chief of the Navy and the Chief of the Army), IC construction, infra projects on Japanese homeland etc. Your influence levels, i.e. the percentage of IC/LP/whatever a faction can effectively use, will be determined AFTER you create your final plans, depending mostly on how convincing you were.

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    Very well!

    I, the proponent of innovation propose the following:

    Production:
    3 New Carriers (With 3 more to be built before 1941)

    These new striking platforms will mean our fleet will have more carriers than any other in the world. They will allow us to project our airpower anywhere we wish, they will allow us to stage amphibious assaults anywhere we please, they will allow us to crush any hostile naval forces we see.

    Above all my Emperor, they will allow us to frighten, challenge and vanquish honourably our greatest enemy, the decadent United States of America!


    Plans for new carriers

    8 New Carrier Air Groups (With another 8 to be built before 1941)

    These new Carrier Air Groups will be a valuable asset. Not only will they be necessary for the Carriers to be effective, they will be a great help when not involved in direct support of the Carrier. They will help if we invade China, as we may save overburdening our supply network by using them to strike from the Carriers. They will also be excellent against enemy ships cowering like women in port.


    A Zero, the primary fighter of our airforce

    8 Divisions of Marines, composed of 3 Marine Brigades

    Needless to say my Emperor, we shall need a strong force of Marines if we are to secure the profitable and resource rich islands of the Pacific. They will also be useful for diversionary attacks against continental enemies, and will provide a elite core of men who may be thrown into a fight to tip the balance.


    Picture of a small test unit already created

    We should also train some garrison formations to ensure the safety of the homelands.

    Research:

    We should ingore diplomacy for the main part, instead allowing Germany to bring us towards them. We should instead focus primarily on research, and maintaining at least 140% officer ratio.

    We should focus our research primarily of aircraft. In particular, we should focus on single engined aircraft, developing every aspect of them. We should also develop our doctrines for both naval and air forces, so they may fight more effectivley. We should begin research of better Light Cruisers as they will be an excellent accompaniement to our new Carriers. Finally, we should research infantry weapons, with an emphasis on small arms, offensive and defensive support weapons, and specialised amphibious technology.

    Intelligence:

    We should withdraw almost all funding from overseas networks, instead focusing on a few key areas. We should build 10 Spy networks in Japan itself, to lower our neutrality and support our party, we should also hire a further 10 Spy networks in the US, to raise their neutrality.

    Politics:

    We should focus on gaining as much IC and Leadership as possible, for obvious reasons.

    Long Term Policy:

    Our long term aim must be to seize and hold the Dutch East Indies, Malaya, Borneo, New Guinea, Indochina and the US Pacific Isles. To achieve this, we shall need to create a strong naval force, capable of sudden long range strikes.

    Thankyou my Emperor, this concludes the presentation!
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    Admiral Baltasar, I think you need to agree with the other Admirals of the Navy in some way, like all Generals should agree on the army budget.
    This is true.

    I assumed that we only need to agree on a plan within a faction, which means I have to come to an agreement with arkham1010. If we have to discuss within our respective branches, the point of having different factions within the branches seems to lost on me. However, DoomBunny and ROMMEL_HSQ are free to comment on the plan outlined by the battlewagon faction in post #24.
    The mini-factions are there in order to spice things up among the Navy and the Army themselves. You have different victory conditions, but you are still fighting for influence of the major faction. Keep in mind that the final plan of your factions is definitely the most important one when it comes to assigning influence levels.

    It seems that all mini-factions posted their plans. Now it would be best if one user posted the final plan of the Army and another one posted the final plan of the Navy. You can choose your representatives yourself, but if you are unable to do it, then I will designate them.

    *
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    Doom Bunny, while the enthusiasm of the young and inexperienced is something clearly visible in your branch, this plan of yours will not adress short term problems. What about China? What about aquiring more industrial power before trying to fight a substantially bigger country? Challenging the USA is all fine and well, but you completely neglect the neccessities which come along with such a challenge. We will need to build a large number of escorts for the 6 fleet carriers you dream of. Not only that, but we will need additional land forces to keep control of the territorities you want to conquer. Furthermore, the carriers built today will be outdated tomorrow, even if their planes are not.

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    Admiral Baltasar, the Carriers may become outdated it is true. But that matters not. Their key systems, namely their AA armaments, their radar and their CAGs are the things that do the fighting. No matter if the carrier itself is outdated, it will still make a very useful weapon. I highly doubt we will need more men to take on China, their army is medieval in its nature. The Carriers will help greatly in our conquest of China anyway, as they shall be able to provide massive close air support and blockade, without overburdening our supply network as land based airpower would. I am however willing to consider cutting down to 5 Carriers and 14 CAGs if the others members of the staff feel the IC would be better spent elsewhere.

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  19. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by ROMMEL_HSQ View Post
    I would like to remind our dear army general that he is in no position to dictate something clearly a branch of the Imperial Japanese Navy.
    It is only that I do not trust the IJN not to loose at least a couple of our pacific assets at some point, should we come to blows with the Allied powers of Europe, and then have to come crying to the Army to provide the troops to retake them which may be deeply embroiled elsewhere!

    I would rather I insist now that you develop a proper, and by this I mean large, Assault Marine Corps capable of not only take undefended ports, but also strike simultaneously at guarded islands, or key urban centres in the South China seas. Thus I may have more hope that you will not fail in your endeavours.

    Anyhow, Admiral DoomBunny agrees with me that a strong marine corps is needed, and if you don't think I should have influence here, then listen to your own naval commanders!...

    /banta


    The given outlay gives us 4 spearhead groups for these purposes, given that level of investment, we can be sure that we shall never be lacking should we loose key territories, or need to assault multiple locations at the same time with superior force. It gives an operational edge.


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    Final Plan of the Imperial Japanese Army
    [FINAL DRAFT PENDING FULL APPROVAL]

    Status:
    Gensui Yamamoto [SS] – Approved*
    General Veteran Lurker [SS] - Pending Approval
    General Surt [SN] – Approved*
    General Comm Cody [SN] – Approved

    *Minor alterations see below

    I.
    Our general major strategy should be to seek 'Major Power' status (100+ IC) then onto ‘Great Power’ status over the next few years via actions in China*.

    [EDIT: the correct term, same as in initial principles previously discussed]

    II.
    1.a Support, the Warlord cliques in western China (Yunnan gives us good proximity influence, hence why we need to work on Long Yun, this will make a military alliance possibility with Guangxi, “maybe” or “likely” possible within the next year or a bit, rather than if we only one on Guangxi)
    1.b Seek to, and repeatedly envoy Guangxi/Yunnan to sign a military alliance as they become threatened by the Kuomintang, and come to the axis corner.

    1.b CLAUSE:
    With work, such alliance will become inevitable, however if in the short term our efforts to independently ally with the Chinese Warlord cliques fail, then we shall have to delay our Chinese ambitions, until we have Germany willing to counter-sign and support an invitation into the fold.

    2.a Focus, on creating a Casus belli for war in China, by creating a homeland ‘cause for action’ (lower neutrality in Japan, raise threat in the PRC and Republic of China)
    2.b Focus on policy not to cause undue threat against the ‘Greater Chinese peoples’, (we must not undertake actions or support events that generate threat in Guangxi or Yunnan, only in the PRC and Kumintang), and the Colonial powers of Britain, France and the United States.
    3.a Prepare a military strategy for war in China within the next 3 years
    4. Align with the axis powers

    As General Surt kindly provided;


    Swaping missions as appropriate to crack down on counter-esponage against our agendas. Offering Guangxi a couple of chances for an independent military alliance near the end of 1936, when their willingness to accept changes to “maybe”.

    III.
    1. Build or reorganise strategic assets such that all Pacific island ports (including Naha, Taiwan and the Japanese home islands) have a 3xGAR division present.

    2.* Insure that we have the following assets by at least 1940.
    -- Build 2, 4x Marine divisions (for Saipan and Malolap when we have the ability to do so)
    -- Build 2, 3x Marine divisions (for Truk, and Kwajalein.)
    These assets do not need to be recruited now, but certainly in the near future.

    [EDIT: Does not necessarally need to be conducted 1936 or in the exact same form; further discussion needed, but an agreed upon general necessity]

    IV.
    On research and budgeting. Should we be on agreement with I. it is my suggestion that we cancel the current cruiser production, as well as one of the CAG wings, continue the production of the current Destroyer and Carrier. When the first CAG wing is finished, we start the next wing (and then possibly another for reserves?), thus CAG construction in serial.

    We seek 5 industry, for greater power.
    2 ports, an airbase, for practice, change to 3 factories when finished.

    As General Surt kindly provided;


    Swap upgrades and consumer goods to keep dissent >3.00 I believe that on average we shall need ~ >2.00 IC to do this...as units get upgraded, then we can drop the 12IC on upgrades to ~10IC*





    That we change Armoured Car Armour research, to Officer Training, as not only does it provide a global offensive combat buff, but also improves our officer recruitment methods. Of course, the more efficient our training methods are, the less manhours need be spent on this process (or rather, we gain far more officers, for far less the earlier we seek to improve this aspect of the military.


    Refill with other techs from the same group if finished before 1. half year.


    V.*

    Reorganise the Government as follows;

    Foreign Minister: Hayashi Senjuro (General Staffer)
    Armament Minister: Ogawa Gotaro (Resource Industrialist)
    Security Minister: Kawarada Kakichi (Man of the People)
    Intelligence Minister: Ogawa Gotaro (Dismal Enigma +10% esp.)

    Chief of the Army: Inanba Satoru (Guns & Butter Doctrine)

    Chief of the Navy & Airforce: Myself, Yamamto Isoroku **.

    As a Power Projection and Naval Aviation Doctrine supporter I should have the support of the IJN in my appointments. I should like to ask my esteemed Admirals to independent ratify my appointment to the ministry in their submissions to our Supreme Emperor.

    After all given my level of involvement placing another in my stead would only seek to confuse and create another level of bureaucracy that is unneeded in our Emperors perfect Empire.

    [EDIT: Not really discussed previously]

    ** I'm making a bit of fun here. It appears appropriate given the aligations levied against me too...

    EDITED: I shall henceforth refer to DoomBunny as Okadooma Yamabunnyta (Yamabunnyta for short)
    Last edited by Gensui Yamamoto; 07-10-2011 at 12:27.

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    I approve of the amendments and the plan for first half year.

    I'm unsure about the the Foreign Minister: Hirota Koki (+0.01 change in Neutrality)
    doesn't he raise our neutrality which we wanted to lower to 50?

    I think we can count General Comm Cody as approving as of his statement about my original budget proposal.

    So we only need Veteran Lurkers approval, and we must count not against as approved if we don't hear from him soon.


    Ps. the link to the research is not right as of 22:22 forum time. but can be seen in my post at the top.

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