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Avindian said:
Ladies and Gentlemen, I cannot help but notice an important fact. I, and most sensible politicians, opposed the BSSA. I was afraid that introducing excessive regulation would cripple our economy, and I can't help but think I was right. I am running for President on the Republican Ticket. My plan is simple:
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And I can't help but know you were wrong, the economy didn't fail because of a lack of confidence in the market by investors, it's because of financial trickery by the Wall Street elite who gambled away their shareholders "hard earned money".
1. Seek a repeal of the BSSA.
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That would be catastrophic, if we had more regulations then the current fiscal crisis would have been avoided! I wish my amendment to separate commercial and investment banks had passed. Perhaps it could have helped the current situation.

2. Return taxes to their previous level, to stimulate the economy.
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Taxes haven't been raised in ages, I would assume seeing as how you are running for the presidency that would would know that.......
3. A temporary reduction in the wages of all civil servants, who are able to afford it, to help pay for a temporary boost in unemployment insurance for those who need it most.
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NEVER! Our civil servants are the backbone of our nation! The public sector is the path to recovery, cutting wages will force teachers and doctors into soup kitchens! We should pay for the unemployed through higher taxes on the wealthy fat cats who got us into this problem.
4. Tax incentives to those businesses hiring new workers.
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This has potential, I think this could get some bi-partisan support, but still to cut taxes at such a time....it could end poorly.

If of course will support President Ryan for a second term.
 
Riccardo93 said:
((Avindian, what would you do if you lost and were asked to be VP for the umpteenth time?))

I would support the former Vice-President's proposal ((barring the tax increase)).
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((I have no idea :)))

LeeroyJenkins said:
And I can't help but know you were wrong, the economy didn't fail because of a lack of confidence in the market by investors, it's because of financial trickery by the Wall Street elite who gambled away their shareholders "hard earned money".

That would be catastrophic, if we had more regulations then the current fiscal crisis would have been avoided! I wish my amendment to separate commercial and investment banks had passed. Perhaps it could have helped the current situation.


Taxes haven't been raised in ages, I would assume seeing as how you are running for the presidency that would would know that.......

NEVER! Our civil servants are the backbone of our nation! The public sector is the path to recovery, cutting wages will force teachers and doctors into soup kitchens! We should pay for the unemployed through higher taxes on the wealthy fat cats who got us into this problem.

This has potential, I think this could get some bi-partisan support, but still to cut taxes at such a time....it could end poorly.

If of course will support President Ryan for a second term.
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Financial trickery, sir? How on earth could you know that? Obviously, we will need some sort of investigation into the causes of this catastrophe, but drumming up some sort of bogeymen will not help. The fact of the matter is, there is already a mechanism that prevents "reckless risk taking" -- it's called the free market. Businesses that fail need to fail, whilst businesses that succeed should be allowed to succeed.

That being said, I do realize, after a more careful study of the bill, that the BRC does have a legitimate purpose, investigating fraud. I would support continued operation along those lines, but I do not at all agree with the idea of men in smoke filled rooms passing judgment on businesses they neither know nor understand!

I will drop point 2 of my plan; in the hubbub of the recent catastrophe, I did not realize that taxes were not increased.

Mr. Vice President, I do believe you have misinterpreted "civil servants" -- I was referring to government bureaucrats, including elected representatives. I would not cut the salaries of teachers or doctors. Instead, I would sponsor a panel to cut waste and redundancy throughout the government. If I were elected President, I would not accept a salary at all; although I am hardly a "Wall Street elite", I have invested my savings as a US Army Captain very well, in addition to those of the Vice Presidency.
 
Avindian said:
((I have no idea :)))



Financial trickery, sir? How on earth could you know that? Obviously, we will need some sort of investigation into the causes of this catastrophe, but drumming up some sort of bogeymen will not help. The fact of the matter is, there is already a mechanism that prevents "reckless risk taking" -- it's called the free market. Businesses that fail need to fail, whilst businesses that succeed should be allowed to succeed.

That being said, I do realize, after a more careful study of the bill, that the BRC does have a legitimate purpose, investigating fraud. I would support continued operation along those lines, but I do not at all agree with the idea of men in smoke filled rooms passing judgment on businesses they neither know nor understand!

I will drop point 2 of my plan; in the hubbub of the recent catastrophe, I did not realize that taxes were not increased.

Mr. Vice President, I do believe you have misinterpreted "civil servants" -- I was referring to government bureaucrats, including elected representatives. I would not cut the salaries of teachers or doctors. Instead, I would sponsor a panel to cut waste and redundancy throughout the government. If I were elected President, I would not accept a salary at all; although I am hardly a "Wall Street elite", I have invested my savings as a US Army Captain very well, in addition to those of the Vice Presidency.
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I am not trying to fear-monger sir, I am simply stating the facts to the best of my ability. I am a lawyer by trade not a banker here is the economic report made by our department of the treasury.
"....problem stemmed from US banks having loaned too much money, emptying the banks’ reserves, which prompted the banks to funnel money from existing deposit accounts into loans.
In order to avoid this being found out, banks began investing in the booming stock market with the returns from loans. This allowed them to essentially turn 10 dollars repaid of a loan into 20 dollars in shares, which they could then sell in case a customer wished to withdraw money from their deposit box [3]. This meant that around 30-40% of the NYSE’s shares were actually in the hands of banks. When their stock brokers began selling more than usual in the morning to account for the larger number of withdrawals due to the BSSA, shares outside of the banking system began to decline in value abnormally, which set off a wave of panic selling that fueled more panic selling."

It was not regulations sir, but greed and the manipulation of the banking system, this is what free-market capitalism in the modern world has wrought.

-I agree BRC should be open for review and correction, we should also take care not to bring political lackies into the organization and insure to simply hire the best in there trade.

It appears that we had both made minor mistakes. I agree that the pay for government officials should decrease, perhaps less for the rank and file bureaucrats in towns and government buildings and more on the overpaid elected officials and their campaigners.
 
LeeroyJenkins said:
I am not trying to fear-monger sir, I am simply stating the facts to the best of my ability. I am a lawyer by trade not a banker here is the economic report made by our department of the treasury.
"....problem stemmed from US banks having loaned too much money, emptying the banks’ reserves, which prompted the banks to funnel money from existing deposit accounts into loans.
In order to avoid this being found out, banks began investing in the booming stock market with the returns from loans. This allowed them to essentially turn 10 dollars repaid of a loan into 20 dollars in shares, which they could then sell in case a customer wished to withdraw money from their deposit box [3]. This meant that around 30-40% of the NYSE’s shares were actually in the hands of banks. When their stock brokers began selling more than usual in the morning to account for the larger number of withdrawals due to the BSSA, shares outside of the banking system began to decline in value abnormally, which set off a wave of panic selling that fueled more panic selling."

It was not regulations sir, but greed and the manipulation of the banking system, this is what free-market capitalism in the modern world has wrought.

-I agree BRC should be open for review and correction, we should also take care not to bring political lackies into the organization and insure to simply hire the best in there trade.

It appears that we had both made minor mistakes. I agree that the pay for government officials should decrease, perhaps less for the rank and file bureaucrats in towns and government buildings and more on the overpaid elected officials and their campaigners.
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Perhaps you should reread the report -- "When their stock brokers began selling more than usual in the morning to account for the larger number of withdrawals due to the BSSA."

((Actually, I think we're meta-gaming a bit here; BBB can rule on this, but there's no way that we, the players, could know in 1930s America this definitively what caused the problem. What do you say, BBB?))
 
Avindian said:
Perhaps you should reread the report -- "When their stock brokers began selling more than usual in the morning to account for the larger number of withdrawals due to the BSSA."

((Actually, I think we're meta-gaming a bit here; BBB can rule on this, but there's no way that we, the players, could know in 1930s America this definitively what caused the problem. What do you say, BBB?))
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That can hardly be blamed, the problem was already in place it would have gone off sooner or later, BSSA was the match not the bomb.
((Your right might have jumped the gun on this one :)) ))
 
((It's okay Seek, :p ))

I, Constant Blancharde would like to say that I have now joined the Republican caucus. And I will be running under that banner in the up and coming congressional election.

- C. Blancharde
 
Progressive

I will be running for re-election. I have decided to run with the honourable Gov. Harrison of New York as my running mate. Mr. Jenkins has been an excellent VP and there will always be a place for him in my administration, but having received word the Gov. Harrison was interested in the VP position, I could not resist having a man of his great experience in politics and banking in these difficult times as my running mate.
 
With the support of the President, I hereby present a proposal for consideration by the United States Congress, my fellow Cabinet secretaries, and America's various political, social, and economic leaders. While this proposal will be a diplomatic effort undertaken by President Ryan and myself in my capacity as Secretary of State, I believe that a common consensus among the legislative branch, as well as support from state governments and our two major political parties, will provide our delegation with the promise of Senate ratification and a stronger hand at the negotiating table.

The Colonial Negotiation Act is as follows:

Act I, Clause I
There shall be a formal diplomatic meeting between representatives of the United States of America, the Kingdom of Great Britain, and the Republic of France, in a neutral location to be determined. A suggested location is Lisbon, Portugal.

Act I, Clause II
The subject of this meeting shall be negotiation for the release of British and French colonies in the Americas, including the various Caribbean islands and the South American territory of Guyana.

Act II
The President, or his chosen representative, is hereby empowered to negotiate for the release of British or French colonies in the Americas and to extend forgiveness of British or French war debt in exchange for colonies so released.

Act III, Clause A
British or French colonies released under this Act will be turned over to the United States' custody for a period not to exceed ten years' time, at which point they shall be released as free and sovereign republics subject to their own rule and governance.

Act III, Clause B
Colonial territories in the United States' custody may choose to petition for statehood or status as an American territory, subject to relevant Constitutional rules and guidelines.

Act IV
Released colonial nations are to be recognized as part of America's sphere of influence. Great Britain and France must agree to recognize North and South America as a zone free from European influence.
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Additionally, I would like to resurrect the notion of the Organization of American States. Given the current economic crisis, it is more important than ever to promote cooperation and freedom of trade between the various nations in our hemisphere. While Europe and Asia are mired in centuries-old vendettas and burdened by the weight of history, the American continents represent a hope for a brighter tomorrow, fueled by democracy and social justice. As the greatest of the American nations, we must take up the effort to form this cooperative Organization as a diplomatic forum between friends and allies, to prevent further entanglement in overseas wars and long-held European animosities.
 
I Accept the Organization of American states
 
There are two reasons I cannot give my support to this bill, despite my longing to see liberty too. Firstly, I think it is irresponsible of the treasury to be writing of debts unilaterally at this time when we should be doing all we can to help the American people. Secondly, I believe this proposal is too timid in regards to it not giving a position on colonies away from the American continents. It is my belief that we should be asking for self-government of the colonies in Africa and elsewhere. This may seem to be hypocritical, where I propose that it goes too far economically, but not far enough morally; however, I would propose that we give concessions to the Europeans in regards to other matters that may be of value to them, such as expanding the powers of the Commonwealth or agreeing to host the talks over the Irish problem: obviously this would have to be from their demands at such a conference, but not to do with a unilateral writing off of the debt, which this house has already signed legislation to forbid.

((Hasn't the league of American states already been formed, by Jarvis? Are you not referring to a league of nations instead?))
 
I support the Colonial Negotiation Act.

I am rather skeptical of the Organization of American States, however. Why should we open our doors to a bunch of no good rascals who've all wanted to gut us at one point or another? Not to mention how most of them are either no good communists or reactionary dictatorships. If we are to have this Organization, it should be strictly favorable to Americans!
 
Having served as Secretary of the Treasury during our last financial challenge, the Great War, I can only shudder at the prospect of incurring additional costs on a government already strained fiscally by placing the reorganization of Caribbean colonies on its long list of responsibilities.

Furthermore, in the case of British Colonies, we are still obligated to uphold the view that the United Kingdom's colonies in the Americas are as integral a part of the Kingdom's territory as London itself. To place American rule, and even more so to potentially absorb into our nation, these colonies is both fiscally irresponsible, and in direct violation of the Buffalo Accords. If Britain is to give independence to Jamaica or the Bahamas, it must do so of its own accord, as any pressure from us will be a grievous blow to our credibility as co-signatory of any international agreement and to the Anglo-American pact of friendship and trust that has been a safe haven of political cooperation throughout every international maelstrom since the collapse of the French Empire.

- John F. Harrison, Governor of New York.

((Well, we have three presidential candidates in as many days. I'll start up the update machine)).
 
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The Primary of 1932​

Progressive Candidate(s)

Patrick Ryan (b. 1889), Incumbent President of the Republic ((atomicsoda)). The President, despite having had a less than ideal four years, believes in the ability of government to bring the nation out of the Depression. His prospective running mate Fitz Harrison’s experience in both the public and private sectors is hoped to bring balance and fresh ideas to the Progressive economic policy.

Republican Candidate(s)

Simon Von Ritter (b. 1870), former Vice-President of the Republic ((Avindian)). Spiritual leader of the Republican Party after the retirement of Jarvis and death of Sherman, Ritter is running on a platform of ending the Depression by incentivizing the private sector and cutting government spending.

Maurice Horshington (b. ????), former Secretary of State ((Kaisersohaib)). Less a man of the party line than Ritter, Horshington believes that tough times call for radical government intervention.

Independent Candidate(s)

Leonard Jenkins (b. ????), Incumbent Vice-President of the Republic ((LeeroyJenkins)). Angered by Ryan's pick of Harrison, a man not proven to be a hard socialist, Jenkins has launched a protest campaign, promising true socialism.

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Exceptional Situation(s):

I sure hope the next primaries are a little livelier.

Anyway; vote.
 
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I support the Colonial Negotiation Act.

But I do not agree with the act stating that we shall occupy them for a certain period of time or letting them join our country or being our territory. Due to the fact that were taking colonies from a imperialistic country and giving them to us,making us a imperialistic county ourselves. Also, breaking the Buffalo Accords treaty.

- C. Blancharde

My vote must go to Simon Von Ritter who is a veteran politician and we need one to surpass this "Great Depression".
 
Simon Ritter, a three term Vice President, a man of military experience, like myself, and a man of great personal intregity, has my firm endorsement.

((I just noticed how much younger Ryan is compared to our last few leaders, considering that only eight years ago, we had a president born before the Civil War ended...))
 
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Thank you, General Jarvis and Governor Blancharde, for your support. I would support the idea of the Colonial Negotiation Act in my Presidency.
 
atomicsoda said:
Progressive

I will be running for re-election. I have decided to run with the honourable Gov. Harrison of New York as my running mate. Mr. Jenkins has been an excellent VP and there will always be a place for him in my administration, but having received word the Gov. Harrison was interested in the VP position, I could not resist having a man of his great experience in politics and banking in these difficult times as my running mate.
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I see, but with this descision you have alienated the true left that brought you into your presidency. By exchanging a true Labor advocate for a capitalist and the heir to a wealthy dynasty, you have insulted the socialist voting bloc that helped put you in office. Which is why I will run an Independant Campaign to represent the true socialist movement.
((Harrison is BB's char. Right?))
 
((Harrison is indeed))

I wish you the best of luck, Mr. Jenkins.
 
I would have appreciated you announcing this before the primaries, but since it's been less than an hour since they started. I'll add you.
 
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