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    Quote Originally Posted by Simberto View Post
    Are you really sure of this, or did you just do something like having 10 colonies as Navarra? You need to keep in mind that there is a minimum amount of cities needed for overextension to even be possible.

    And i doubt you will get an answer to your original question, so you will have to test it yourself. Usually, people expect the code to be true, and while there might be some rare cases where it is not, in the overwhelming majority of situations it is. So if you assume it isn't, you should do some accurate testing to prove that. This means not just some thing you remember from a game you played half a year ago, but where you can't find the safegame.
    It's pretty general knowledge these days on the forum after I pointed it out that overseas provinces doesn't cause overextension. (Then if this is a bug or not we will see if next patch)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronicler View Post
    The question was if overseas provinces count *against* overextension, and not towards it. A question I still got no answer for.
    Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't understand it then. I agree with SIimberto; no idea.
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    I will just try to answer the question as logical as I can, going from the code:
    In the code the mentioned trigger is "core_percentage", obsiously the only thing counting against "core_percentage" are provinces that are not distand overseas. This most likely means that distant overseas provinces are ignored alltogether.

    Its quite easy to test: Just play as holland on very easy, cheat lots upon lots of colonists and gold and just go bonkers with colonizing in the new world, cheat yourself some cores there and move your capital overseas, just make sure you have the right conditions.

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    Yes, core_percentage only considers non-overseas provinces.
    The separate num_of_cities conditions would count all provinces.

    EDIT: core_percentage was tested while investigating ANO1453's bug report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simberto View Post
    Are you really sure of this, or did you just do something like having 10 colonies as Navarra? You need to keep in mind that there is a minimum amount of cities needed for overextension to even be possible.

    And i doubt you will get an answer to your original question, so you will have to test it yourself. Usually, people expect the code to be true, and while there might be some rare cases where it is not, in the overwhelming majority of situations it is. So if you assume it isn't, you should do some accurate testing to prove that. This means not just some thing you remember from a game you played half a year ago, but where you can't find the safegame.
    I am sure. I even filed a bug report over it, and I was assured they don't count.
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  6. #6626
    What does IMO mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Goober View Post
    What does IMO mean?
    In my opinion.
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  8. #6628
    I'm playing as Cherokee and I recently opened up Andalucia as a market. I monopolized it, but am getting 5 ducats/year for it (the CoT value is 900). For comparison, I have a monopoly on Mexico, which is ~650 in value and I am getting 60 ducats a year from that. Is this just a matter of time or is there a penalty on overseas markets?
    Last edited by Karabas1543; 10-01-2012 at 02:25.

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    I'm playing as one of the Japanese daimyos, and i have a mission to recruit a trader, but that options is greyed out on the culture screen. What are the requirements to recruit a trader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karabas1543 View Post
    I'm playing as Cherokee and I recently opened up Andalucia as a market. I monopolized it, but am getting 5 ducats/year for it (the CoT value is 900). For comparison, I have a monopoly on Mexico, which is ~650 in value and I am getting 60 ducats a year from that. Is this just a matter of time or is there a penalty on overseas markets?
    The number is only updated at the beginning of the month so when you first monopolize it the number will be wrong.

    It is also not unlikely that there are fewer than maximum traders in Mexico (depending on your game settings) so you are getting a higher % there...

  11. #6631
    Quote Originally Posted by ryak2002 View Post
    I'm playing as one of the Japanese daimyos, and i have a mission to recruit a trader, but that options is greyed out on the culture screen. What are the requirements to recruit a trader?
    You have to have at least some navy tradition, I think 5% but it might be lower than that, as well as cultural tradition.

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    That sucks. How am i supposed to get naval tradition when i'm a japanese daimyo and the only other surviving daimyo is in a personal union with me? My cultural tradition is practially always 100% at least.

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    I have another question. What factors determine whether or not you will inherit in a personal union? I keep seeing it say i will inherit upon ruler death and then at some random point later it turns to "the personal union will contiue". My prestige and relation with them are only getting better so its very confusing why the personal union result is getting worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryak2002 View Post
    That sucks. How am i supposed to get naval tradition when i'm a japanese daimyo and the only other surviving daimyo is in a personal union with me? My cultural tradition is practially always 100% at least.
    You could hire an advisor (Naval Reformer sounds right) or build a Naval College with the right tech. Unfortunately, that's your only real option without fighting.

    Quote Originally Posted by ryak2002 View Post
    I have another question. What factors determine whether or not you will inherit in a personal union? I keep seeing it say i will inherit upon ruler death and then at some random point later it turns to "the personal union will contiue". My prestige and relation with them are only getting better so its very confusing why the personal union result is getting worse.
    The tooltip is wrong. There's no real science to inheriting PUs; sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't. You have to stay out of wars if you think your leader might die; you can't inherit during a war. Other than that? It's kind of a mystery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryak2002 View Post
    That sucks. How am i supposed to get naval tradition when i'm a japanese daimyo and the only other surviving daimyo is in a personal union with me? My cultural tradition is practially always 100% at least.
    Depending on how far you are willing to go, you also get a small amount of naval tradition when building ships and for exploring uncharted seazones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryak2002 View Post
    I have another question. What factors determine whether or not you will inherit in a personal union? I keep seeing it say i will inherit upon ruler death and then at some random point later it turns to "the personal union will contiue". My prestige and relation with them are only getting better so its very confusing why the personal union result is getting worse.
    Random die roll but the following factors do influence the chances (there may well be other factors):

    1) number of provinces-you will never inherit a nation that owns more provinces than you
    2) is the junior partner at war?-you will never inherit a nation that is at war (you can inherit while you are at war, they cannot be)
    3) diplomacy value of the heir
    4) relative prestige levels
    5) your legitimacy
    6) your infamy

    Relations between the two nations do not appear to affect the chance to inherit with the caveat that you must not have negative relations as the union will break in that case 100% of the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by brifbates View Post
    Random die roll but the following factors do influence the chances (there may well be other factors):

    1) number of provinces-you will never inherit a nation that owns more provinces than you
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    actually I did inherit a 3 province Hesse as OPM Burbonnais not long ago so are You sure about this one?
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  18. #6638
    You can inherit provinces with more provinces than you. Poland inheriting Lithuania is a good example (though it's rare with the GH).

  19. #6639
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruanek View Post
    You can inherit provinces with more provinces than you. Poland inheriting Lithuania is a good example (though it's rare with the GH).
    Vassalize Mazovia and/or release Ukraine and you will never GH issues again.

  20. #6640
    I'm playing as Cherokee and have westernized and keep getting into wars with the european powers. Why is it that whenever I annihilate their armies (I have killed a good 100K of troops in the last war), this does not get added to the warscore? Neither do they get any WE, even though they run around my country getting attrition and then getting owned. by my technologically superior troops. Yet despite the fact that I keep occupying all of their colonies, annihilating every invasion on my American territory, their stupid couple of ships blockading my ports are enough to bring the warscore in their favor. What the heck?

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