Things I've Learned from Victoria 2

[Dutchemperor]

Prussia's place under the sun is called Moravia.

Swiss is ONE Ethnic group in ONE country with ONE leader! (Swiss became a Fascist Dictatorship and having one Swiss culture, isnt right)

The Netherland just want Wallonia.

That Transvaal is a big country in Sothern Africa, from Namibia to Malawi

that Madagaskar was one of the leading nations of the world in 1880

France wants Afghanistan, but it is just so far away.

Salt lake city is actually called Citi del Mare di Salte. (i think)

Morocco is a place under the sun for: Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Two sicilies, Denmark, USA (wtf?) and Greece, and sometimes Algiers too, but they are already under the sun.

[Sovetskysoyuz]

According to the Victoria Atlas of the World, the part of Ontario that produces cattle runs from Sudbury to Thunder Bay.
The part of Quebec that produces cattle is in Ungava, while grain can be grown on the shores of Hudson Bay.

Note to Paradox: just because something is at the same latitude as Stockholm does not mean that it has a similar climate. There is a reason that northern Quebec is still virtually uninhabited.

Also, giving cattle to the region that has the largest mining industry in Canada is facepalm.

[Grosshaus]

According to the Victoria Atlas of the World, the part of Ontario that produces cattle runs from Sudbury to Thunder Bay.
The part of Quebec that produces cattle is in Ungava, while grain can be grown on the shores of Hudson Bay.

Note to Paradox: just because something is at the same latitude as Stockholm does not mean that it has a similar climate. There is a reason that northern Quebec is still virtually uninhabited.

Hunted game is meat just like raised cattle

[lama]

In the 1800's, all the dye in the world came from British owned India. Everyone else just wore uncolored thread.

This is actually more or less true. Good dyes, especially colours like blue, were only found in exotic places and most prominently in British India. This spurred German inventors to invent synthetic dye and revolutionize the dye business with the "Dye factory" represented in game.

[Sortulv]

Hunted game is meat just like raised cattle

Based on that:
- Deer hunting is improved by fertilizers

[Sovetskysoyuz]

Hunted game is meat just like raised cattle

Yes, but

• There has never been, and could never be, an industry based on exporting hunted game from these places to the extent that it is the primary resource. There just aren't enough deer and moose in the woods. Anyway, it's not like you can just go buy some deer steaks at the market in Toronto, brought in from Thunder Bay in the days before refrigerated transport.
• There is a massive timber and mining potential in these areas, either of which would be a more sensible choice of RGO.

The most appropriate solution would probably be to have these areas start as fabric RGOs, since the fur trade would have been there, and then switch to timber or iron once the settlement increases. I might implement something like this in my mod.

[naggy]

In 1836, Bavaria and Austria could mobilize almost the same number of troops.

[nkp]

Yes, but

• There has never been, and could never be, an industry based on exporting hunted game from these places to the extent that it is the primary resource. There just aren't enough deer and moose in the woods. Anyway, it's not like you can just go buy some deer steaks at the market in Toronto, brought in from Thunder Bay in the days before refrigerated transport.
• There is a massive timber and mining potential in these areas, either of which would be a more sensible choice of RGO.

The most appropriate solution would probably be to have these areas start as fabric RGOs, since the fur trade would have been there, and then switch to timber or iron once the settlement increases. I might implement something like this in my mod.

Also odd that they show grain being grown in the Mackenzie River area in NWT. Peace region in Alberta is one thing, Mackenzie entirely another. Also on the mining note, odd that there is no coal in Cape Breton. For that matter, I only recall coal being produced in Banff.

[Theikos]

*No matter what the ideology of a rebel faction was, from Croatian Nationalists to Diehard Confederates to Fascists, they unified under the banner of the anarcho-communists, never firing a shot at another faction until the officially recognized power was deposed.
*The southern border of Texas is situated slightly north of the Rio Grande, until the river cuts straight across the south of the state to the Gulf of Mexico.
*The major European battles of the early 20th century were characterized by being extremely protracted while involving only a marginal loss of life.
*Independence movements generally were satisfied with the form of government of the country they were under to begin with.
*The rebellion of a few southern states in the late 1840's was something of a footnote in history; the event known as the American Civil War generally refers to the mass uprising of Anarchists in the 1890's.
*Japan had an active foreign policy by 1836, but remained technologically backwards for the next century.
*Great Powers rarely, if ever, entered entangling alliances with one another, and even more rarely honored said alliances.
*When countries colonized Africa, they very rarely used their militaries to facilitate the colonization.
*World fairs were a bimonthly event by the 20th century.
*The trenches of the first world war would have been a major problem to attackers, but thankfully the development of the Aeroplane neutralized these defensive works.
*The arrival of Ironclads and Dreadnought-class battleships were regarded by most of the world as a fad, with sail-powered wooden ships being preferred into the 20th century.
-This was perhaps justified, as a flotilla of Men-o'-war was capable of sinking a modern cruiser.

[Javen]

* By 1900, the entire British population was only 30% literate. For some reason, despite near-100% literacy in Britain proper, this meant that Britain never got around to figuring out how to colonize places. India and North America obviously were acquired by osmosis.

* Occupying the whole of the United States didn't mean that the CSA won the 3rd "Civil War". Rather, it decided to return to the status quo, ignoring the fact that the U.S. still owned the rest of the South.

* Not satisfied with trading privileges, it was the goal of the British to conquer as much of Western China as possible. Ironically, when the British finally got around to opening up sweatshops, there weren't nearly enough illiterate Chinamen to employ.

* The population of The United States of America was only around 20% American by 1910, owing to the fact that none of the massive number of immigrants chose to learn how to speak English.

* South American history is mostly extraordinarily boring, as the United States exerted such a strong influence over every Spanish-speaking country that none of them ever went to war. Unfortunately, since the French enthusiastically supported the Brazilians, this meant that Brazilian history is full of conquests, since the US never actually got around to intervening in any of the wars against its "allies".

* Very few countries were ever fully annexed, since doing so would have invoked such extreme foreign backlash that it wouldn't be worth it. Evidently the annexation of a country's other territories is only a minor issue.

* The Concert of Europe, which maintained general peace in Europe since the end of the Napoleanic Wars, dramatically came to a close when Austria, the chief proponent up until this point of the idea, entered into a massive war against Prussia in January 1836.

* The nation of Denmark is understood to be composed of the islands of Zealand, Funen, Lolland, Falster and Bornholm. Jutland, which was up until 1836 considered an integral part of Denmark, is now indistinguishable from the rest of Holstein and any silly ideas that it could have been full of Danes have been abandoned as ridiculous.

* The French province of Andalusia is now so full of French speakers that any notions of repatriating it on grounds of historical correctness or common culture have been abandoned. Spain seems to somehow retain its influence over the Philippines despite no longer possessing a navy.

* Nationalist movements of the 1800s were confined mostly to Prussians deciding that forming Germany hadn't been in their best interest. Slavs, Arabs, Indians, and other Asians were quite content to be under the thumb of autocratic governments that treated them like dirt.

* Egypt was torn apart by Spain and the Two Sicilies, but the Ottoman Empire never really got into the spirit of bringing its rebellious territories back into the fold.

[Grosshaus]

Based on that:
- Deer hunting is improved by fertilizers

Sorry for derailing the thread off the topic, this is where the discussion of cattle production in Ontario in this thread should have ended. Let's keep discussions of various issues in other threads dedicated for them, while here just continue pointing out sillyness. One of the most funniest threads I've read in a while

[tric]

*Engineer is a guy who is defined by using muzzle-loaded rifle

After Japan industrialized, the Japanese people immediately started to emigrate en masse to Serbia.
Before 1836 European nations were able to colonize some parts of Africa before suddenly being stopped by African magic that the European nations had to develop new technologies to conquer.

Alright, I laughed.

[KonradRichtmark]

That immediately after the Napoleonic Wars, grenadiers, Imperial Guard regiments and similar formations were abolished and completely forgotten until the breech-loaded rifle was invented, whereby they reappeared and what had previously been an elite branch of the infantry became the standard infantry type of all modern armies.

[Nazaroth]

* That every morning in Great Britain, everyone says ' All hail Britannia!', even though said nation had been crushed in repetitive wars, all the industry smashed to bits and generally leading a horrible life. They were still considered the top in the world, controlling most of it as it consecutive parts hadn't even considered autonomy let alone independence.

[Secret Master]

That immediately after the Napoleonic Wars, grenadiers, Imperial Guard regiments and similar formations were abolished and completely forgotten until the breech-loaded rifle was invented, whereby they reappeared and what had previously been an elite branch of the infantry became the standard infantry type of all modern armies.

Except for Sweden, who, remembering the Old Ways, maintained a single guard brigade in their army in Stockholm.

[tric]

Something I learned was that no matter how many people you get killed in bloody - and unnecessary - wars while being a warmongering douchebag conqueror, the world will always forgive you.

<3 Paradox

[Dominatus]

Yes, but

• There has never been, and could never be, an industry based on exporting hunted game from these places to the extent that it is the primary resource. There just aren't enough deer and moose in the woods. Anyway, it's not like you can just go buy some deer steaks at the market in Toronto, brought in from Thunder Bay in the days before refrigerated transport.
• There is a massive timber and mining potential in these areas, either of which would be a more sensible choice of RGO.

The most appropriate solution would probably be to have these areas start as fabric RGOs, since the fur trade would have been there, and then switch to timber or iron once the settlement increases. I might implement something like this in my mod.

Yes it is quite ridicules and really needs to be modded.

[naggy]

* Nothing spurs employment in factories like having territory occupied. In fact, it's the fastest way a country can industrialize.
* The Ottoman Empire had a temperance league.
* The Kiel Canal, Panama Canal, and Suez Canal were built in a day.

[coola567]

There are no economic advantages of controlling a canal, whatsoever
Before a nation became "civilized" it would often reach levels greater than many European nations
There was only one nation in Central Africa in 1836, Sokoto
Having a navy was a grotesque strain on the Danish economy, a strain nobody noticed or cared about until Febuary 1836

[Najs]

The Boers weren't, as some say, beaten down by an imperialistic GB. In fact, the Brits just placed the poor farmers around South Africa under their protective wings and allowed them to go on with business as usual.

The formation of Germany was in no way driven by a nationalistic desire to build a German nation, fact is that all of Germany was opposed said formation, except for a few politicians. The rest strongly supported several minor states instead of a unified Germany and they were never afraid to die en masse for their cause.

The American Civil War ended up with a Confederate victory, but unfortunately the very people who rebelled against the USA soon changed their minds and rebelled to revert everything back to US hands.

Peace settlements during this time was the result of one country completely annihilating the opposing parts armies and occupying large parts of land before the loser considered it acceptable to peace out.

All the way until WW2, taking control of a province meant spending months with thousands of troops slowly pacifying every single peasant before moving on.