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YodaMaster said:
you will need to remove their missionaries from the start as well
YodaMaster said:
oops, no amendment needed as VEN start with 0 missionaries, then with level 6 innov, they get -0.80 , but gain +1.00 due to being catholic , so final outcome is +.20 per year .
we can test these but maybe a +7 start would be better
Toio said:
+7 sounds better. They would be at -0.20 then, and it reflects the historical innovativeness of Venice of that age quite well.
Tested the issue of +7 innov for VEN and it gives VEN a slight edge in land tech level with its fellow italian states.
Best is +6 , and the tech levels are roughly equal with other italian states by level 11
The one missionary for VEN we will just have to live with it
Best is +6 , and the tech levels are roughly equal with other italian states by level 11
The one missionary for VEN we will just have to live with it
For Cyprus, current gfx set becomes cypLusignan and will be used at start in 1419 scenario.
New default set:
Modified event:
#-#The tragedy haswas not finished for young Caterina Cornaro. At 20 years of age she hashad seen too many people die, but now it iswas her son, the King Jacques III Lusignan who diesdied while she was preparing his first birthday party. With him, the Lusignan dinasty becomesbecame extinct. It also meansmeant the last of the Frankish Kingdoms in Levant and the end of a dream built over blood. By virtue of having named her -Daughter of St. Mark-, Venice becomesbecame the heir of the Kingdom of Cyprus, but only if she doesunder condition for her to not re-marry or have any children. Her destiny hashad also been sealed. Her life willwould be spared, but her freedom hashad disappeared. She willwould always be watched and controlled. Perhaps due to her tragedy, Caterina winswon the love of her Greek subjects, that for the first time supported a Latin ruler.
I'm not sure for the description, please correct if necessary.
About culture, according to post #661:
#-#As the last Kings of Jerusalem, the Lusignans were great defenders of the Catholic faith, often in collusion with their Greek subjects. The decision of Jean II to marry Helen Paléologue, daughter of Theodore II of Morea, and granddaughter of the Basileos Rhomaion Manuel II (Emperor of Byzantium) was unprecedented and well received by the Cypriot-Greeks. Through her patronage, local Greek culture flourished and royal power was strengthened. Her actions naturally alarmed the Catholic Franks but they couldn't depose her without upsetting the Cypriot-Greeks who revered her as a heroine.
And french culture instead of greek in 1419_CYP_Cyprus.inc.
New default set:
Modified event:
Code:
#(1474) The death of the last Lusignan
event = {
id = 154017
random = no
country = CYP
name = "EVENTNAME154017" #The death of Jacques III, last of the Lusignan
desc = "EVENTHIST154017"
#-#
date = { day = 6 month = july year = 1474 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME154017A" #It is all very sad
[COLOR="Yellow"]command = { type = flagname which = "" } #Default CoA[/COLOR]
command = { type = relation which = VEN value = 50 }
command = { type = ADM which = -2 value = 12 }
[COLOR="Yellow"]command = { type = remove_countryculture which = french }[/COLOR]
}
}I'm not sure for the description, please correct if necessary.
About culture, according to post #661:
Code:
#(1434) Marriage of Jean II
#revised by Aylo1
event = {
id = 154004
random = no
country = CYP
name = "EVENTNAME154004" #The Marriage of Jean II
desc = "EVENTHIST154004"
#-#
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1434 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME154004A" #Best wishes to the royal couple
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 24 value = -2 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -2 }
command = { type = relation which = SPR value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = KNI value = -25 } #Catholic states
command = { type = relation which = NAP value = -25 }
command = { type = relation which = VEN value = -25 }
command = { type = relation which = GEN value = -25 }
command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -25 }
[COLOR="Yellow"]command = { type = add_countryculture which = greek }[/COLOR]
}
}And french culture instead of greek in 1419_CYP_Cyprus.inc.
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About Athens, we have post #661 + post #667 but gaining Greek culture will always be linked to the existence of OE (unlikely but we never know => my objection).
I'm not sure what to do with post #671.
About the proposed breakvassal command by Lord Grave in post #672 and post #673, something is still missing. As I mentioned, better find another solution because of the bug of the breakvassal command => triggered event or twin event of the original one with vassal condition.
I'm not sure what to do with post #671.
About the proposed breakvassal command by Lord Grave in post #672 and post #673, something is still missing. As I mentioned, better find another solution because of the bug of the breakvassal command => triggered event or twin event of the original one with vassal condition.
*bump* for post #731...
Other thing related to Athens:
According to description of ATH_117005 "Young Lovers end Athens": Mehmet II of the Ottoman Empire intervened at the insistence of the Athenian people on the behalf of the young duke Francis and summoned Bartolommeo and Chiara to his court at Adrianople. Another Acciajuoli, Francis II, was sent to Athens as a Turkish client duke and Chiara thus deprived of her power in the city. Evidently, the citizenry had mistrusted the two lovers influence over the young duke, for whose safety they may have feared. The new duke had Chiara murdered in 1454 at Megara and Bartolomeo appealed to the sultan for justice. The sultan outraged that Francis II took measures in his own hands, decided to take Athens into Turkish hands and Francis II deposed.
Why haven't we an event for OE to "inherit" Athens in 1454 under condition Athens is still a vassal and Francis II (014505) is the ruler (if no alternate Chalkokondylos dynasty)? Should really OE break vasselage and annex? Does it make sense?
Other thing related to Athens:
According to description of ATH_117005 "Young Lovers end Athens": Mehmet II of the Ottoman Empire intervened at the insistence of the Athenian people on the behalf of the young duke Francis and summoned Bartolommeo and Chiara to his court at Adrianople. Another Acciajuoli, Francis II, was sent to Athens as a Turkish client duke and Chiara thus deprived of her power in the city. Evidently, the citizenry had mistrusted the two lovers influence over the young duke, for whose safety they may have feared. The new duke had Chiara murdered in 1454 at Megara and Bartolomeo appealed to the sultan for justice. The sultan outraged that Francis II took measures in his own hands, decided to take Athens into Turkish hands and Francis II deposed.
Why haven't we an event for OE to "inherit" Athens in 1454 under condition Athens is still a vassal and Francis II (014505) is the ruler (if no alternate Chalkokondylos dynasty)? Should really OE break vasselage and annex? Does it make sense?
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If it was a clean-cut inheritance, sure, go for it.
If it involved some sort of war between Athens & the Ottomans, then it's perhaps best to simulate it through giving the Ottomans a core, or perhaps forcing a DoW.
If it involved some sort of war between Athens & the Ottomans, then it's perhaps best to simulate it through giving the Ottomans a core, or perhaps forcing a DoW.
This is why I ask. I'm not sure there is a war involved according to the description. Anyway, Athens remains Ottoman vassal in many tests even after 1460 and Lord Grave proposed a breakvassal command in post #672 and post #673.
OE gains a core on Hellas in 1451 with TUR_301002 "The Conquests of Mehmed II The Conqueror".
OE gains a core on Hellas in 1451 with TUR_301002 "The Conquests of Mehmed II The Conqueror".
It is time to answer my questions in post #731 too.
About the "inheritance", I made a quick search in French sources (Imago Mundi):
About the "inheritance", I made a quick search in French sources (Imago Mundi):
There should be a war because of the sentence to death of Claire by Franco (as Ottoman vassal) and thus importance of a breakvassal command in 1454.
I originally had a breakvassal command, but without a WAR command as well, ATH will get into an alliance, with either one of 3 groups, HUN, VEN, NAP/ARG
So , as tested will not work.
i coud see why would be as such in 1419( still a mix of many cultures at that time). but once dobruja IS ceeded to valachia( as it DID happen, forgat the exact year but sometimes before the greek "domnitori" no?).
so there shall be a new event where IF walachia becomes a turkish vassl then dobruja is ceeded to walachia AND it switches culture to romanian ( as it happened shortlly thereafter). dobruja became a NOMINAL part of romania by means of a treaty with one of the turkish sulatns, in exchange for stronger cooperation with the port(vassal).
just need to research the exact date
edit: since at it, dobruja IS a marsh terrain; also having the goods as "wine" is WRONG, walachia province COULD be wine indeed but not dobruja wich should be fish;
i am realizing that this particular province has not been researched and implemented properlly as of yet.
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Could you please give source(s) for this?
No objection for goods and terrain changes if more appropriate but cession could become a real problem for Turkish expansion (not to mention core) if the cession is for the whole province that is depicted on the map.
No objection for goods and terrain changes if more appropriate but cession could become a real problem for Turkish expansion (not to mention core) if the cession is for the whole province that is depicted on the map.