The real issue with removing "buttons" from the game

[Khezef]

Gift button, let's delete it too

I mean, making AI opinions of you higher by giving them cash is clearly OP. Also, choosing who educates your heir is OP as well since you can give them really good stats. Remove that too, I think. Also remove divorce since nobody needs that.

 

[Strumpetplaya]

PJSalt

 

[Testy]

Remove fabricate claims as well, since that's just cheap.

 

[Lingvort]

If there was an equivalent of "Like"/"Thumbs up" button, I would've clicked it.

 

[Zaiuß]

sigh. whats with people lately.

 

[ahhheygao]

sigh. whats with people lately.

PDS chose the event option that increased local Revolt Risk.

 

[Kurblius]

sigh. whats with people lately.

I think the "Declare War" button is OP. We need to dismantle that one too.

 

[Ashagar]

Must be something in the water or witches...

 

[Khezef]

Must be something in the water or witches...

The economy, fools!

 

[spaceroliste]

there is also the "marriage" button, it allows to inherit other titles!!! clearly an awful gamey tactic...
chill out man...

 

[Slavicist]

God, give it a rest people already.

 

[Cardinal Sin]

Obvious troll is obvious

 

[Hunteromega]

We should remove the "raise levies" buttons, players can use it to blob in almost every case.

 

[dauncosony]

Could you guys at least keep your rehashed jokes in the same thread?

 

[Zolotaya]

God, give it a rest people already.

Why?

The gift button is easily abused several different ways. If Paradox were consistent, they should remove this option and expand the plot system to handle this as well.

As just one example, it is way overpowering being able to pause the game upon death of your ruler and dispensing gifts to your vassals to avoid many of the possible negative modifiers that a new ruler incurs.

Edit: Removing the divorce button and expanding the plot system to cover that is a very good suggestion as well. The few circumstances leading to a game over do not need to be resolved right away, unlike the adventurer taking away your small duchy or county.

 

[Zolotaya]

Could you guys at least keep your rehashed jokes in the same thread?

What other thread are you referring to? This is the only one I see some people commenting on this issue.

 

[MarkS00N]

Why?

The gift button is easily abused several different ways. If Paradox were consistent, they should remove this option and expand the plot system to handle this as well.

Because:
A) Plot isn't used to give something to someone but for you to get something for someone, that's why you plot...
B) I've said it in other thread, the assassinate button isn't really removed, it is actually there in plot event (which later on I condense in to, 'there are more option on how you wish to proceed with your assassination), watch the stream again...

And if you really wish to replace 'giving gift button' with plot option, first explain why you need plot power to give something to someone and then give suggestion how you wish to make 'giving gift' better by using plot...

 

[WSnova]

Remove diplomacy and war alltogether, its OP and allows for gamey ahistorical tactics.

Game should proceed according to history except when I think it shouldn´t because nationalistic bias.

 

[Zolotaya]

Because:
A) Plot isn't used to give something to someone but for you to get something for someone, that's why you plot...
B) I've said it in other thread, the assassinate button isn't really removed, it is actually there in plot event (which later on I condense in to, 'there are more option on how you wish to proceed with your assassination), watch the stream again...

And if you really wish to replace 'giving gift button' with plot option, first explain why you need plot power to give something to someone and then give suggestion how you wish to make 'giving gift' better by using plot...

A: I am pretty sure plotting to gain favor through gifts is more realistic and within the scope of the CK2 plot system. Using an instantaneous gift button is a hold-over from CK1 and it is used easily to avoid any starting malus a new ruler is given after the death of his/her predecessor. This type of abuse goes against the exact types that Paradox seeks to eliminate.

B: Plot power is needed to form consensus among your vassals as to the intent of your gift and their response and acceptance of said gift. Failure to garner enough support for your gifting plot should add negative modifiers to your vassals as they see right through you and your plot to garner support.

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B) I've said it in other thread, the assassinate button isn't really removed, it is actually there in plot event (which later on I condense in to, 'there are more option on how you wish to proceed with your assassination), watch the stream again...

And as I have shown with an actual game experience, plots as they exist are not flexible enough to allow you to avoid game-over under circumstances that are unavoidable by anything you do whereas the current assassination button will at least give you a 30-40% chance of avoiding it altogether.

 

[MarkS00N]

A: I am pretty sure plotting to gain favor through gifts is more realistic and within the scope of the CK2 plot system. Using an instantaneous gift button is a hold-over from CK1 and it is used easily to avoid any starting malus a new ruler is given after the death of his/her predecessor. This type of abuse goes against the exact types that Paradox seeks to eliminate.

B: Plot power is needed to form consensus among your vassals as to the intent of your gift and their response and acceptance of said gift. Failure to garner enough support for your gifting plot should add negative modifiers to your vassals as they see right through you and your plot to garner support.

But giving gifts doesn't necessary means you wish remove malus for new ruler, as you perhaps want to reward your good councillor foe example, and if the target is outside your realm, why would giving gifts require consensus among your vassals?
And regarding giving gifts to stranger, why would people give their plot power to your plot if it doesn't give them any advantages because what do they gain from you giving something to other that doesn't directly affect them?
Unlike assassinate their liege for example because perhaps they want to use the instability created by his liege death to gain more power in his realm...

Look, I understand your frustration, but without seeing what the developer as done (either to mitigate its removal or for their justification for its removal) at least in Dev Diary, to draw conclusion using current experience on how it works and disregard anything the developer has shown and promise to do and rant about it is a bit too much for me...
Especially when said 'remove assassinate button' decision is still in beta phase...