For the originial game we focused on getting the Christian world right, for the future...who knows.
Merged threads, we dont need more than one thread on the same thing.
Merged threads, we dont need more than one thread on the same thing.
Why can't we play Muslims or pagans?
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We fixed a bug that let you play as religions we didn't design to be playable? How terrible of us!
If you think that is far-fetched you could always check out the early threads in teh Sengoku forum...
There's a difference between arguing and agitating for a change. There's also a difference between suggesting changes and saying that we removed features from the game to screw our customers.
Why do you assume Johan is involved or is at all against adding playable Muslims?
I know not letting you play as anyone on the map is a change from our other games (although not CK1), normally you can play as anyone in the game because it's cool to be able to do so, but this is why many nations don't feel as fleshed out in them. CK2 continues in the footsteps of CK1 and focuses on only one group of playable nations.
The reason CK1 never got an expansion was most likely because the base game wasn't profitable enough to warrant one - not because Paradox don't want to add more content and make other factions playable.
He was talking about the base game there (and that's a rather old post). If you check King's post you just linked to above, he says:
So it seems a safe bet that you will have a Muslim DLC sooner or later.
Does anyone even try modding this before claiming it is impossible or we locked it out etc? I am 99% sure you can still add religions.
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Looks like they need to be in the Christian group though. I also though you could add new groups, but that doesn't appear possible. AFAIK (and to add a big disclaimer, I am not on the CK2 team) the intent was not to lock out modders from changing religions, it was just make it impossible to pick Pagans/Muslims on the main screen, so that if you mod/cheat them playable it's entirely clear that it is not a supported feature. Currently you can just cut/past Muslims and Pagans into the Christian group if you want, although obviously that breaks crusades/relations etc.
No, it's always been said you can only play Christian nobles. What people finds baffling is there's a game called "Crusader Kings 2" which is advertised with the line "Take on the role of a Christian noble and carry them through the ages from Count to Emperor via the line of succession" and then you get angry when you find you can only play as a Christian noble. Whatever gave you the idea you'd be able to play non-Christians? The quoted line is on our web page, on the game's box, on the Steam store page etc. At no point have we ever said you could play as a non-Christian noble. On a similar note, if you bought a game called "Kings of Scotland and England - A game in which you can only play the aforementioned Kings!" people would be pretty confused if you turned up on the forum to complain you can't play the French. If you just buy random games and then get upset when they don't have the features you imagined they might have you have no one to blame but yourself.
Do you even own CK2? I note you have not registered it.
A) I addressed modding on the previous page and was answering a different line of argument altogether, my post was a reply to the post I quoted. Which should be obvious. As a general outline there are 2 issues in this thread: 1) If non-Christians should be playable in the game. 2)How this affects modding.
B) It is not an ad hominem attack, don't be ridiculous. If he, or indeed you, own the game is entirely relevant as it it makes the difference between a customer disappointed with a product he bought and someone picking a fight just for the sake of it. Or, in the case of piracy, it's rather amusing when someone who steals your product accuses you of cutting features so as to sell DLC due to "greed".
Did you read my post #156 on the last page? You certainly can add religions to the Christian group, it's extra religion groups you cannot add, and I said I wasn't sure that was intended. Now I could be wrong, and at the end of the day we have never promised every possible aspect of our games would be moddable, but that wasn't the impression I got the last time I spoke to Doomdark about modding CK. He's keen on the Game of Thrones mod, for example.
Great. Of course you don't give any reason why you should feel robbed over the lack of a feature we explicitly said would not be contained in the game.
Well yes, if it wasn't intended I would expect it to be changed, that is what I meant. I just don't want to give a firm answer because I'm not directly involved and so don't know for certain. I'll see if I can find out next week.
We don't add new features because we feel the users are entitled to it, but because we want to add new features and because it makes sense from a business perspective to keep supporting your products.
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