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Also I would like (but we dont always get I know :D ) to see some of the Scots last names changed (in accordance with this thread.. http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189110 )

So from this list in particular...

Aberdeen - Obar Dheathain
Argyll - Erra-Ghaidheal
Arren- Arainn
Ayr- I nbhir Air
Bannickburn - Allt a' Bhonnaich
Barra - Barraigh
Berwick - Bearaig
Britain - Breata
Brittany - A'Bhrhreatainn Bheag
Caithness - Gallaibh
Culloden - An Cuitheann
Dumfries - Dub Phris
Dunkeld - Dun Chailleann
Edinbourgh- Dun Eiddeann
Fife - Fiobha
Galloway - Gall-Ghaidhealaith
the Herbrides - Innse Gall
the highlands - A' Ghaidhealtachd
Inveraray - Inbhir Aora
Inverness - Inbhir Nis
Isle of Man - Eilean Mhanainn
Isle of Sky - An t-Eilean Sgitheanach
London - Lunnainn
the Lowlands - A'Ghalldachd
Norway - Nirribhidh
Orkney - Arcaibh
Rothesay - Baile Bhoid
Shetland - Sealtainn
Strathclyde - Strath Chluaidh
Wales - A'Chuimrigh
Lothian is spelt correctly

Surnames * note that Dunkeld, the Royal House of Scotland in 1066, takes its name from its principle seat, noted above in place name

Bruce -Brus or Brusach
Buchanan- Bochanan
Cameron -Camshron
Campbell -Caimbeul
Chrishom -Siosal or Siosalach
Douglas -Dughlas
Ferguson- Fearfhasdan and also MacFhearghais
Fraser- Friswal
Johnson- MacIain
Kennedy -Ceanadhach, MacUalraith (Kennedy has its origions as Welsh Cunedda, becoming Kenneth and Kennedy, and Gwynedd is a corruption of this as Kenneth's land)
MacAllistar- MacAlasdair
MacArthur -MacArtair
MacBeth -MacBheatha
MacCorquodale -MacCorcadail
MacDonald- MacDhomhnaill
MacDougall -MacDhughaill
MacGregon- MacGrigair
MaqcIntosh- Mac an Toisich
MacIntyre- Mac an t-Saoir
MacKay- MacAoidh
MacNeil -MacNeill
MacPhearson- MacPhearsain
Ross- Ros
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I know that name places will not be changed, however there could still be changes along these lines, for example Malcolm Dunkeld would have his name changed to Mael Coluim Dunn Chailleann. MacDonald's to MacDhomhnaill and so forth.

The 'of Berwick' could remain as is to not confuse people but I personally would like to see 'o Bearaig' :p

I am sure people would agree with me (and disagree of course).
yours
Ayeshteni
 
Finellach said:
I second that. It would be great....although the name of the Scottish King sounds a bit too long....don't know if it would fit... :p
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Malcolm Dunkeld was perhaps not a good example but it WOULD fit ;)
I had made the changes to my non-beta CK (before my computer crashed) and it works a treat - looks good too. Even with long placenames like the western isles (h-Eillean an Iar or somesuch, will have to check correct spelling :eek:o ). And it is a VAST improvement to the Anglo-mangle at present

yours
Ayeshteni
 
Obviously some of the names on that list don't apply. Norway, London, Wales, Brittany, etc.

As far as counties go, though, IIRC most of them are known by their English names, even outside of Scotland. County of Apulia instead of Puglia, for example.
 
Cuke said:
I object. The scottish names are translated to my native language from English, so it will be very difficult for me to recognise many of them.
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?? Care to elaborate more? Do you speak Gaelic - if so what would you suggest?
yours
A.
 
Brian Bóruma said:
Obviously some of the names on that list don't apply. Norway, London, Wales, Brittany, etc.

As far as counties go, though, IIRC most of them are known by their English names, even outside of Scotland. County of Apulia instead of Puglia, for example.
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Yes I know, I took the entire list but I was only highlighting FROM the list. Only those provinces which were applicable. Also I wasnt saying that the counties themselves should be changed only those courtiers that have 'of Atholl' and so on. But I recognised that this could cause confusion.

However, I DO wish to see 'family' names changed in line with the Gaelicised first name so 'David Bruce' would become 'Daibhidh Brus' for example.

yours
Ayeshteni
 
Sounds reasonable. It's unlikely to happen any time soon, but we could still hope.
 
Ayeshteni said:
?? Care to elaborate more? Do you speak Gaelic - if so what would you suggest?
yours
A.
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In Russian scottish names use english or (when applicable) german equivalents. Recognising Mael Coluim or Daibhidh as Malcolm and David will take some time. However, these names are not the worst (after all, there are plenty of christian names used by every nation). Surnames are much more confusing: from my point of view there is nothing common between, say, Fraser and Friswal.
 
Well I support the renaming to Gaelic names.

I just love to play with characters whose names I can't pronounce :)

But the gaelic names give a real authentic feeling I think.

I will change them as far as I can in my own game.
 
OK going through the dynasty.txt and finding all those relating to Scotland I have names for the following....

Dunkeld - Dunn Chailleann
of Atholl - o' Ath Feodhla
Loarn - Loarn
of Mar - o' Marr
of Angus - o' Aongus
MacDuff - MacDhuibh
Crovan - Crobhain
MacGregor - MacGrigair
Lindsay - MacGhille Fionntaig
Bruce - Brus
Ramsay - Ramsaidh
Ferguson - Fearfhasdan
Johnston - MacIain
Douglas - Dughlas
of Galloway - o' Gall-Ghaidhealaith
Strathbogie - ?
Cameron - Camshron
McDougal - McDhughaill
Fraser - Friswal
Forbes - Foirbeis
Keith - Ceiteach
MacBean - MacBheathain
MacDonald - MacDhomhnaill
MacKenzie - MacCoinnich
MacNeil - MacNeill
MacDubhSithe - ? (probably keep the same)
MacLeod - MacLeoid
Sinclair - Mac na Ceardadh
of Caithness - o' Gallaibh
MacKay - MacAoidh
Craigies - ?
of Orkney - o' Arcaibh
of Shetland - o' Sealtainn
of Lothian - o' Lodainn
of Strathclyde - o' Strath Chluaidh
of Ross - o' Ros
of Berwick - o' Bearaig
of Argyll - o' Erra-Ghaidheal
of Moray - o' Moireabh
of Western Isles - o' Na h-Eileanan an Iar
of Fife - o' Fiobha
of Carrick - o' Carraig
of Caithness - o' Gallaibh
of Sutherland - o' Cataibh
Buchanan - Bochanan
Campbell - Caimbeul
MacKinnon - MacFhionguin
Gunn - Guinne
Munro - Mac an Rothaich
MacNicol - MacNeacail
MacIntosh - Mac an Toisich
MacGillivray - MacGhille-Brath
MacPherson - MacPhearsain
Barclay - (from norman berkeley)
Kennedy - MacUalraig (or Ceannaideach)
MacCauley - MacAmhlaidh (from MacAuley)
Gordon - Gordon
Grant - Grannd
Wallace - Uallas
Stewart - Stiubhart
MacLachlan - MacLachlainn
Baird - Mac a'bhaird
Oliphant - (french name)
Livingstone - Mac an Leigh
Armstrong - MacGhillielaidir
MacInnes - MacAonghais
Randolph - (norse derivitive)

So, um there you are - what do people think. Using this as a base I can go through the dynasty file and start a new post with the actual changes (relevent ID's and so on). Then I'll go and tackle changing the Christian names in the 1066 scenario file ;)

yours
Ayeshteni
 
Like so...(dynasty.txt)

Code: 
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 687 }
	name = "Dunn Chaillean"
	province = { }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 689 }
	name = "o' Ath Fodhla"
	province = { }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3100 }
name = "MacLeoid"
province = { 35 38 39 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3101 }
name = "MacDhomhnaill"
province = { 35 39 40 45 47 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3102 }
name = "MacDubhSithe"
province = { 35 38 39 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3103 }
name = "MacNeill"
province = { 35 39 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3104 }
name = "MacAoidh"
province = { 36 37 38 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3105 }
name = "MacCoinnich"
province = { 38 39 40 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3106 }
name = "Mac na Ceardadh"
province = { 36 37 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3107 }
name = "MacFhionghuin"
province = { 38 39 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3108 }
name = "MacGrigair"
province = { 44 45 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3109 }
name = "McDhughaill"
province = { 44 45 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3110 }
name = "Guinne"
province = { 37 38 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3111 }
name = "Mac an Rothaich"
province = { 40 41 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3112 }
name = "MacNeacail"
province = { 38 39 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3113 }
name = "Ceiteach"
province = { 37 38 42 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3114 }
name = "MacBheathain"
province = { 41 42 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3115 }
name = "Mac an Toisich"
province = { 41 43 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3116 }
name = "MacGhille-Brath"
province = { 41 44 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3117 }
name = "MacPhearsain"
province = { 40 44 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3118 }
name = "Barclay"
province = { 43 44 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3119 }
name = "Friswal"
province = { 40 44 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3120 }
name = "Ramsaidh"
province = { 48 51 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3121 }
name = "MacDhuibh"
province = { 46 48 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3122 }
name = "MacGhille Fionntaig"
province = { 46 48 51 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3123 }
name = "Brus"
province = { 46 48 49 50 51 53 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3124 }
name = "MacUalraig"
province = { 47 49 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3125 }
name = "Dughlas"
province = { 48 49 50 51 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3126 }
name = "Fearfhasdan"
province = { 49 50 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3127 }
name = "MacAmhlaidh"
province = { 45 47 49 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3128 }
name = "Caimbeul"
province = { 45 47 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3129 }
name = "Camshron"
province = { 40 44 45 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3130 }
name = "Gordon"
province = { 41 42 43 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3132 }
name = "Grannd"
province = { 40 41 42 44 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3133 }
name = "Uallas"
province = { 47 49 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3134 }
name = "Stiubhart"
province = { 45 47 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3135 }
name = "MacLachlainn"
province = { 45 47 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3136 }
name = "Mac a'bhaird"
province = { 48 49 51 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3137 }
name = "Oliphant"
province = { 44 46 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3138 }
name = "Craigies"
province = { 36 37 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3139 }
name = "Mac an Leigh"
province = { 40 45 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3140 }
name = "Foirbeis"
province = { 41 42 43 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3141 }
name = "Mac Ghillielaidir"
province = { 50 53 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3142 }
name = "MacIain"
province = { 50 53 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3143 }
name = "MacAonghais"
province = { 50 53 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3145 }
name = "Strathbogie"
province = { 44 }
}
dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 3146 }
name = "Randolph"
province = { 40 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100034 }
	name = "o' Sealtainn"
	province = { 34 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100035 }
	name = "o' Na h-Eileanan an Iar"
	province = { 35 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100036 }
	name = "o' Arcaibh"
	province = { 36 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100037 }
	name = "o' Gallaibh"
	province = { 37 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100038 }
	name = "o' Cataibh"
	province = { 38 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100039 }
	name = "o' Ros"
	province = { 39 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100040 }
	name = "o' Moireabh"
	province = { 40 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100041 }
	name = "o' Buchan"
	province = { 41 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100042 }
	name = "o' Marr"
	province = { 42 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100043 }
	name = "o' Aonghus"
	province = { 43 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100044 }
	name = "o' Ath Fodhla"
	province = { 44 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100045 }
	name = "o' Erra-Ghaidheal"
	province = { 45 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100046 }
	name = "o' Fiobha"
	province = { 46 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100047 }
	name = "o' Strath Chluaidh"
	province = { 47 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100048 }
	name = "o' Lodainn"
	province = { 48 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100049 }
	name = "o' Carraig"
	province = { 49 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100050 }
	name = "o' Gall-Ghaidhealaith"
	province = { 50 }
}
dynasty = {
	id = { type = 12 id = 100051 }
	name = "o' Bearaig"
	province = { 51 }
}

yours
Ayeshteni
 
and for 1066_scenario_characters.inc, first names are (I think I have them all :wacko: )

Code: 
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 960 }
	name = "Donnchad"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =689 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 936 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 998 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "31828877495360"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 8
		stewardship = 5
		health = 8
		fertility = 8
	}
	traits = {
		proud = yes
		martial_cleric = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 966 }
	name = "Gillapátraic"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =689 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 964 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 189 }
	country = BERW
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	score = { gold = 25 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1040 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1094 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "06443600841571"
	attributes = {
		martial = 4
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 6
		stewardship = 6
		health = 5
		fertility = 7
	}
	traits = {
		lustful = yes
		proven_dealbreaker = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 970 }
	name = "Gillapátraic"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =689 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 966 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 967 }
	country = BERW
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 1062 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1120 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "87868180881298"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 8
		stewardship = 7
		health = 8
		fertility = 4
	}
	traits = {
		energetic = yes
		modest = yes
		suspicious = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 972 }
	name = "Domnall"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =688 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 851 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 900 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "75289225109037"
	attributes = {
		martial = 7
		diplomacy = 6
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 8
		health = 8
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		arbitrary = yes
		naive_wirepuller = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 974 }
	name = "Máelcoluim"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =688 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 972 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 887 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 954 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "93666933230666"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 7
		stewardship = 7
		health = 7
		fertility = 8
	}
	traits = {
		honest = yes
		temperate = yes
		tough_soldier = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 976 }
	name = "Cináed"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =688 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 974 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 910 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 967 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "87172578265065"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 7
		health = 5
		fertility = 6
	}
	traits = {
		just = yes
		valorous = yes
		scholarly_theologian = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 978 }
	name = "Dubh"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =688 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 974 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 915 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 995 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "91085488640819"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 8
		health = 6
		fertility = 6
	}
	traits = {
		honest = yes
		scholarly_theologian = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 980 }
	name = "Máelcoluim"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =688 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 976 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 954 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1034 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "49122473017811"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 8
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 6
	}
	traits = {
		vengeful = yes
		tough_soldier = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 982 }
	name = "Donnchad"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =3121 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 962 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 981 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 1001 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1040 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "58088968920200"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 8
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 8
		health = 8
		fertility = 8
	}
	traits = {
		deceitful = yes
		arbitrary = yes
		reckless = yes
		proven_accountant = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 984 }
	name = "Máelcoluim"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =687 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 982 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 197 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	score = { gold = 75 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1031 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1093 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "76406359523517"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 6
		stewardship = 5
		health = 6
		fertility = 6
	}
	traits = {
		vengeful = yes
		suspicious = yes
		martial_cleric = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 986 }
	name = "Domnall"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =687 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 982 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 197 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 1033 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1100 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "18308464135909"
	attributes = {
		martial = 4
		diplomacy = 8
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 4
		health = 8
		fertility = 6
	}
	traits = {
		merciful = yes
		proud = yes
		scholarly_theologian = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 988 }
	name = "Donnchad"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =687 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 984 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 102505 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 1060 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1095 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "96523239374835"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 6
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		ecclesiastical_education = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 990 }
	name = "Máelcoluim"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =687 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 984 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 102505 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 1062 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1096 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "80222250913786"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		energetic = yes
		zealous = yes
		suspicious = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 992 }
	name = "Domnall"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =687 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 984 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 102505 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 1063 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1096 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "93893983041037"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 8
		stewardship = 8
		health = 5
		fertility = 8
	}
	traits = {
		arbitrary = yes
		harelip = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 5794 }
	name = "Domnall"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =556 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 1053 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1098 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "79191249853559"
	attributes = {
		martial = 7
		diplomacy = 8
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 8
		health = 4
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		indulgent = yes
		martial_education = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 5996 }
	name = "Mecbeataidh"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =554 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 5998 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 5997 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 1006 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1057 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "91964169117451"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 8
		stewardship = 4
		health = 7
		fertility = 7
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 6004 }
	name = "Cináed"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =688 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 978 }
	country = SCOT
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 962 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1005 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "91142148864081"
	attributes = {
		martial = 8
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 4
		stewardship = 8
		health = 6
		fertility = 6
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 6012 }
	name = "Óengus"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =554 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 6010 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 6009 }
	country = ARGY
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 1064 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1130 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "32018611745832"
	attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 4
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 7
		health = 6
		fertility = 5
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 6014}
	name = "Máelcoluim"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =554 }
	father = { type = 10 id = 6010 }
	mother = { type = 10 id = 6009 }
	country = ARGY
	religion = catholic
	culture = Scottish
	birthdate = { year = 1066 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1132 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "311754045745832"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 6
		health = 6
		fertility = 5
	}
}

Most christian names taken from Calgacus' scottish name list from the SM subforum ;)

yours
Ayeshteni
 
changing david name

Finellach said:
Very nice. :)

Btw. is there a character_names.csv somewhere with Scottish Gaelic names?
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Calgacus provided a list of names in another thread, hold on I'll just go and get them.....

Calgacus said:
scottish;female;Ada
scottish;female;Aeschine
scottish;female;Affraic
scottish;female;Affraic
scottish;female;Aíbinn
scottish;female;Aileann
scottish;female;Ailsa
scottish;female;Aina
scottish;female;Barrfind
scottish;female;Bébinn
scottish;female;Béfáil
scottish;female;Bethóc
scottish;female;Bethóc
scottish;female;Bethóc
scottish;female;Bethóc
scottish;female;Bethóc
scottish;female;Bethóc
scottish;female;Bredach
scottish;female;Brigid
scottish;female;Brigid
scottish;female;Cáemnat
scottish;female;Cainnech
scottish;female;Cairistiona
scottish;female;Caisséne
scottish;female;Caitrina
scottish;female;Crínóc
scottish;female;Derbáil
scottish;female;Deredere
scottish;female;Devorguilla
scottish;female;Devorguilla
scottish;female;Doada
scottish;female;Donada
scottish;female;Donada
scottish;female;Dubchoblaig
scottish;female;Dubessa
scottish;female;Dublemna
scottish;female;Echrad
scottish;female;Eithne
scottish;female;Esa
scottish;female;Eschina
scottish;female;Étaín
scottish;female;Ete
scottish;female;Ete
scottish;female;Éua
scottish;female;Findina
scottish;female;Fíne
scottish;female;Fíne
scottish;female;Finnguala
scottish;female;Finnguala
scottish;female;Flann
scottish;female;Forveleth
scottish;female;Gerróc
scottish;female;Godit
scottish;female;Gormflaeth
scottish;female;Gormflaeth
scottish;female;Gruaidh
scottish;female;Gruóch
scottish;female;Gruóch
scottish;female;Gruóch
scottish;female;Iosbail
scottish;female;Máire
scottish;female;Marsail
scottish;female;Mór
scottish;female;Muirgel
scottish;female;Nuala
scottish;female;Orabilia
scottish;female;Órlaith
scottish;female;Roíriu
scottish;female;Róis
scottish;female;Scáthach
scottish;female;Scáthach
scottish;female;Seonaid
scottish;female;Sétach
scottish;female;Sitheag
scottish;female;Suithen
scottish;female;Swannóc
scottish;female;Taileflaith
scottish;female;Tuathflaith
scottish;female;Uallach
scottish;male;Áed
scottish;male;Áed
scottish;male;Áed
scottish;male;Áedán
scottish;male;Alan
scottish;male;Alasdair
scottish;male;Alasdair
scottish;male;Alasdair
scottish;male;Alpín
scottish;male;Artan
scottish;male;Artuir
scottish;male;Bran
scottish;male;Cathal
scottish;male;Causantín
scottish;male;Causantín
scottish;male;Causantín
scottish;male;Causantín
scottish;male;Cennédig
scottish;male;Cináed
scottish;male;Cináed
scottish;male;Cináed
scottish;male;Cináed
scottish;male;Cináed
scottish;male;Colban
scottish;male;Colmán
scottish;male;Cormac
scottish;male;Crínán
scottish;male;Cuilén
scottish;male;Cuilén
scottish;male;Cumméne
scottish;male;Dubh
scottish;male;Dubh
scottish;male;Dabid
scottish;male;Dabid
scottish;male;Dabid
scottish;male;Domangart
scottish;male;Domnall
scottish;male;Domnall
scottish;male;Domnall
scottish;male;Domnall
scottish;male;Domnall
scottish;male;Domnall
scottish;male;Domnall
scottish;male;Domnall
scottish;male;Domnall
scottish;male;Domnall
scottish;male;Donnchad
scottish;male;Donnchad
scottish;male;Donnchad
scottish;male;Donnchad
scottish;male;Donnchad
scottish;male;Donnchad
scottish;male;Donnchad
scottish;male;Donnchad
scottish;male;Donnchad
scottish;male;Dubgall
scottish;male;Dugald
scottish;male;Dúngal
scottish;male;Eochaid
scottish;male;Eochaid
scottish;male;Erc
scottish;male;Etgair
scottish;male;Ferchar
scottish;male;Fergus
scottish;male;Fergus
scottish;male;Fergus
scottish;male;Fergus
scottish;male;Ferteth
scottish;male;Findláech
scottish;male;Findláech
scottish;male;Gabrán
scottish;male;Gillabrigte
scottish;male;Gillabrigte
scottish;male;Gillacáemgein
scottish;male;Gillacoluim
scottish;male;Gillacoluim
scottish;male;Gillacomgaill
scottish;male;Gillachríst
scottish;male;Gillaeoin
scottish;male;Gillaísu
scottish;male;Gillananáem
scottish;male;Gillapátraic
scottish;male;Gillapátraic
scottish;male;Lochlann
scottish;male;Lochlann
scottish;male;Lugaid
scottish;male;Lulach
scottish;male;Macbethad
scottish;male;Madach
scottish;male;Máelbrigte
scottish;male;Máelbrigte
scottish;male;Máelciaráin
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máelcoluim
scottish;male;Máeldúin
scottish;male;Máeleoin
scottish;male;Máelísu
scottish;male;Máelísu
scottish;male;Máelísu
scottish;male;Máelmáedóc
scottish;male;Máelmúire
scottish;male;Máelmúire
scottish;male;Máelmúire
scottish;male;Máelpátraic
scottish;male;Máelsnechtai
scottish;male;Matad
scottish;male;Morggán
scottish;male;Muiredach
scottish;male;Muiredach
scottish;male;Muiredach
scottish;male;Nechtan
scottish;male;Níall
scottish;male;Níall
scottish;male;Óengus
scottish;male;Óengus
scottish;male;Óengus
scottish;male;Óengus
scottish;male;Óengus
scottish;male;Raibeart
scottish;male;Raibeart
scottish;male;Raibeart
scottish;male;Raibeart
scottish;male;Ruadrí
scottish;male;Ségéne
scottish;male;Túathal
scottish;male;Uilleam
scottish;male;Uilleam
scottish;male;Uilleam
scottish;male;Uilleam
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These are indeed needed.
yours
Ayeshteni

P.S. these should replace those found in the db/character_names.csv
 
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Dang forgot a dynasty

MacKintyre - Mac an-t-Saoir (from MacIntyre)

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 101707 }
name = "Mac an-t-Saoir"
province = { 41 43 }
}
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yours
Ayeshteni

EDIT: forgot the Crovan dynasty name...

dynasty = {
id = { type = 12 id = 556 }
name = "Crobhain"
province = { }
}
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while it starts norwegian the son (in the court of Scotland) is Scottish. Maybe controversial.
 
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EDIT: Am a little bored tonight, thought I would trawl the web for some good sites relating to this subject...

For those worried about pronouncing names here is a site that helps to pronounce gaelic names. Unfortunately it only gives first names...

http://www.namenerds.com/scottish/

yours
Ayeshteni

EDIT: Entymology of names (including Scots) http://www.behindthename.com/usage.php

EDIT: some English to Gaelic names (modern) http://www.savegaelic.org/page/names.php

EDIT: A sixteenth century scottish and irish name generator with pronounciation http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/hng16gaelic/
 
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Finellach said:
Thanks for the names....and to Calcagus for writing them down. ;)
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No worries.

Cuke said:
In Russian scottish names use english or (when applicable) german equivalents. Recognising Mael Coluim or Daibhidh as Malcolm and David will take some time. However, these names are not the worst (after all, there are plenty of christian names used by every nation). Surnames are much more confusing: from my point of view there is nothing common between, say, Fraser and Friswal.
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The worst of it is that, because modern Scots are mostly Anglophones, it seems acceptable to use English forms ... and this perpetuates it. It has been American and Irish historians who've begun using Gaelic forms. Now the Scots are beginning to follow their lead, but lol ... never thought of how you'd do it in Russian. Native forms are generally better, since then a German, a Russian and an Indian can all be sure they're talking about the same person. But Mael Coluim, Maol Choluim, Melkolf, Malcolumus, Malcolmus and Malcolm are just confusing.
 
Well, I dunno if the patch people are gonna consider these changes,. In the meantime, can someone explain how to safely do it myself. I've got the part about province.csv. So I know how to alter claim areas. However, I don't know:

1) how to safely create the Duchies of Moray and Alba
(e.g., can I just invent two duchy tags, say, MOIR and ALBA, and can I just copy current COA images, etc)

2) safely scrap the Duchies of Atholl, Mar and Berwick.

3) and do 1) and 2) in reference to the three scenarios (although that prolly would be easy).

Can someone help?
 
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