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Cardus said:
So the skill 4 could be fine but what about the fact that he would never work for Germans? Is Balesir willing to consider that?

This applies as well to many scientists like Fermi, Schrödinger, Einstein, Bohr, Gödel, etc.
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I'm not totally sure what you mean by "consider" this - if particular scientists would not work for the National Socialist regime, then surely that means that they are not appropriate for German techteams or puppet state techteams ("Scandinavia", for example). Is it the tech-team takeover mechanism you are worried about? Or the possibility of a puppet Norway?
 
Cardus said:
I guess that is clearer in this way
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I'm not sure I understand you. You mean it is clearer with the whole name, or with the synonym or...?

Cardus said:
That said I would go for the picture proposed by kunadam. I was for years a wikipedia contributor and I'm very sensitive to copyright issues.
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However, if the picture is from a government source there won't be any problems with copyrights. And if the book is old the copyright may have expired.
 
Balesir said:
I'm not totally sure what you mean by "consider" this - if particular scientists would not work for the National Socialist regime, then surely that means that they are not appropriate for German techteams or puppet state techteams ("Scandinavia", for example). Is it the tech-team takeover mechanism you are worried about? Or the possibility of a puppet Norway?
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I mean that if we include, for example, Schrödinger for Austria an event (like for Fermi) should withdraw him until when Austria is Nazi. This should apply in all the following cases:
1) Austria is independent but it has a Nazi/fascist government
2) Nazi German annexes Austria with the option take over the tech teams
3) Nazi German annexes Austria and afterwards release it as a puppet

The same should apply for all scientists who didn't want to cooperate with Nazis
 
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Maj. von Mauser said:
I'm not sure I understand you. You mean it is clearer with the whole name, or with the synonym or...?
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The full name is clearer than the acronym (not synonym)

Maj. von Mauser said:
However, if the picture is from a government source there won't be any problems with copyrights. And if the book is old the copyright may have expired.
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I agree on government source but not on books. In Europe the copyright varies. For example on books the copyright expires 50 years after the death of the author. Movies, pictures, etc. are protected for 70 years. This is what I know.
 
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Okay I've found some more pictures of the Iraqi Airforce.

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Since we were talking aboutlandlocked countries I guess that also Bolivia and Paraguay could get naval teams.


Bolivian navy actually is rather important because the naval tradition is a part of the dream of regained access to the Pacific coast (lost to Chile in the XIXth century). Its small river and lake force is very respected even today.


Paraguay on the other hand even had a sizable river fleet with quite large vessels for a brown water navy (636 tonnes gunboats HUMAITA and PARAGUAY) and if I am not wrong maintains a small base in Argentina thanks to a diplomatic agreement with that country.


These states could have teams with 2-3 abilities, 2 skill, but since neither built any vessels it could be only

naval training, seamanship or/and small taskforce.

Wiki about Bolivian Navy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivian_Navy

Proposed pisctures:

Paraguy

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Bolivia

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Cardus said:
I agree on government source but not on books. In Europe the copyright varies. For example on books the copyright expires 50 years after the death of the author. Movies, pictures, etc. are protected for 70 years. This is what I know.
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Since one picture is taken in 1909 and the other in 1930, I wouldn't think it is much of a problem. The book is published by a non-profit foundation, so I could always ask them.

(Sorry to bother you so much for a tiny techteam)
 
okyriosy said:
Since one picture is taken in 1909 and the other in 1930, I wouldn't think it is much of a problem. The book is published by a non-profit foundation, so I could always ask them.

(Sorry to bother you so much for a tiny techteam)
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Please do it and send the approval to me. Please note that what matters is not the time the picture has been taken.
 
cegorach said:
naval training, seamanship or/and small taskforce.
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This is naval team, and not a naval yard. We usually also find naval yards for the landlocked countries.
While SLO, CZE, AUS and HUN also had ship building tradition because of the dalmatian coast and the river flottila, even ones not producing naval vessels could have a TT. The reason is, that licences and equipment purchases are not modelled in HoI2, or rather it modelled by blueprints, thus the country had to research the given tech.

But it will be for Teams 1.2
Would it be possible to ask the moderators to open a new thread with cardus having 2 post in the beginning for later use, and then further suggestions can be made there, and consolidation would go here?
 
Cardus said:
The full name is clearer than the acronym (not synonym)
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I agree, but the full name is so very long I think we should just have the Acronym (thanks for correcting me:eek:o).

Also, I might actually get the post war teams done by tonight, or early tommorow. He has given me more information and all that is needed is a few pictures, which he said he will put up tommorow. Nevertheless, I will ask that he be included in the credits (with his approval of course).

For now I will put up two pictures that are given. Also, I think our Current Hubicki Picture is still not the right color code. Can someone make a new one?

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Alfred Hubicki

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Paul Lube

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Werner Vogl
 
kunadam said:
This is naval team, and not a naval yard. We usually also find naval yards for the landlocked countries.
While SLO, CZE, AUS and HUN also had ship building tradition because of the dalmatian coast and the river flottila, even ones not producing naval vessels could have a TT. The reason is, that licences and equipment purchases are not modelled in HoI2, or rather it modelled by blueprints, thus the country had to research the given tech.

But it will be for Teams 1.2
Would it be possible to ask the moderators to open a new thread with cardus having 2 post in the beginning for later use, and then further suggestions can be made there, and consolidation would go here?
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As I did for the first I will do for the next. Don't worry.
 
Maj. von Mauser said:
I agree, but the full name is so very long I think we should just have the Acronym (thanks for correcting me:eek:o).

Also, I might actually get the post war teams done by tonight, or early tommorow. He has given me more information and all that is needed is a few pictures, which he said he will put up tommorow. Nevertheless, I will ask that he be included in the credits (with his approval of course).

For now I will put up two pictures that are given. Also, I think our Current Hubicki Picture is still not the right color code. Can someone make a new one?

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Alfred Hubicki

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Paul Lube

25asuwn.jpg

Werner Vogl
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The deadline is by tonight. What will not enter in this patch 1.1 will be considered in the following. It is not a drama or something we should worry about.
 
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Cardus said:
The deadline is by tonight. What will not enter in this patch 1.1 will be considered in the following. Is not a drama or something we should worry about.
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Okay.:cool:
 
Stalkov said:
For this link http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...&postcount=405:
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Could you try to get the "Roundel" in? It's that triangle under the wing, that way it can be shown as Iraqi, and not so generic.


Also, off topic a bit, I was looking again at that site that had most of the photos for the other TT's, and just today he added an article about the Tuvinian Air Force!:wacko: Apparantly nobody even knew it existed until now...
 
Maj. von Mauser said:
Okay, Hubicki and Jansa...

In doing my research I have come to the conclusion that Kubena and Rendulic are unsuitible as TT's for Austria. They were either not that influential (Rendulic), or are given incorrect traits in correspondance with their actual service (Kubena, who commanded motorised troops, but is given Infantry Traits). This is just more of Paradox's miserable "research" regarding Austria. So I have proposed two men to replace them.

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Name: Alfred Hubicki
Skill: 4
Traits: Same as Rendulic has. Small Unit Tactics, Decentralized Execution, Combined Arms Focus and Training
Years Active: 1930-1955
Notes: Alfred Hubicki should replace Lothar Rendulic because at the time of the Anschluss he was already a General commanding Austria's Motorized Brigade. Rendulic was still a Colonel at the time. Also, Hubicki seems to have had a better career then Rendulic, and he didn't commit any war crimes. He was retired after the war by the Austrians, who retired all Generals who served in the German Army. However, he lived until the 1971 and I see no reason why even in retirement he couldn't have worked on things like doctrines until 1955, when the Army was reformed (at which time I will have new leaders to include). I have also decreased his skill by one because Austria at the time had a limited capability for Mechanised Warfare (his traits are perfect for Blitzkreig Doctrine).


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Name: Alfred Jansa
Skill: 6
Traits: Same as Kubena has. Large Unit Tactics, Centralized Execution, Individual Courage, Infantry Focus and Training
Years Active: 1930-1955
Notes: Much the same situation as with Rendulic/Hubicki. However, Jansa was Chief of Staff of the Austrian Army, from 1936. It was he who developed the plans for Austria's defense against Germany, and so afraid were the Germans of these plans that one of their demands made to Schuschnigg was that Jansa be forcibly retired. He was on February 17th (my birthday:p). Due to the fact that Germany was so afriad of him I suggest his skill be raised a level. Also Austria was much more along Grand Battle Plan, which Jansa suits well. Anyways, I also have him until 1955, as if Austria remains independant, or when they are reformed I see no reason why he wouldn't be a general, or in the latter case, be asked to resume his doctrine. I end him in 1955 aswell, he died in 1963.

Pictures are just copied from Stalkov's post, and are not in the correct format.
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Done but for the time being I left Rendulic and Kubena. I have assigned 5 to Jansa because Kubena is 3.
 
Maj. von Mauser said:
Okay, check on Austria:
I have enclosed a file with all the correct images (well, the ones I think best) for Austria, and have renamed some of them (Original Paradox Photos I have renamed, so we know who they are), and they are put in Alphabetical order (which if you have not gathered by now, I think all TT's should be alphabetical, we have to order them somehow, and that is most visible to the player). I also gave them their numbers.

I will also note any changes...

600/Alexander Löhr: Fine as is. I have renamed his photo to T_AUS_Alexander_Löhr.bmp, previously was T604.

601/Alfred Hubicki: New TT, replaces Lothar Rendulic, see: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10530700&postcount=367

602/Alfred Jansa: New TT, replaces Johann Kubena, see:http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10530700&postcount=367

603/Anselm Franz: Fine as is. He is moved from number 601 to number 603.

604/Daimler: Fine as is. However I have replaced the Vanilla photo (which was a logo) with a new one of an actual product. Is moved from number 603 to number 604.

605/Erwin Schrödinger: This is the 1930-1939 version. Fine as is, however, I have given it back the Vanilla photo (it had a better quality image), and have renamed it to T_AUS_Erwin_Schrödinger.bmp, previously was T608

606/Erwin Schrödinger: This is the 1956-1961 version. Same as above.

607/Georg Trapp: Have taken the von out of his name as the Austrian republic had outlawed nobility titles. Renamed the pic aswell. Was previously 606, now 607.

608/Georg Stetter: Fine as is. I have replaced the photo with another one, which dosen't cout of part of his head. Was previously 621, now 608.

609/GÖCH: Have renamed the team from Gesellschaft Österreichischer Chemiker, to its synonym, GÖCH. Have also renamed the photo. Was 607, now 609.

610/Hirtenberger-Hopfner: Fine as is. Was previously 608, now 610.

611/Hirtenberger Patronenfabrik: Fine as is. Have replaced the Vanilla image with one of a product. Was 616, now 611.

612/Julius Yllam: Fine as is, was 610, now 612.

613/Korneuburg Werft: Have taken out the AG. Was 611, now 613.

614/Kurt Gödel: Fine as is. Have replaced photo like for Georg Stetter. Was 612, now 614.

615/Österreichischen Bundesheer: Move start date to 1955, when it was refounded. Have replaced photo (old one was the Vanilla photo for Johann Kubena...). Was 614, now 615.

616/Österreichischen Donauflottille: New TT. Have given photo. See: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10514266&postcount=262

617/Österreichischen Luftstreitkräfte: Move start date to 1955, same as the Bundesheer. Renamed photo. Was 615, now 617.

618/Otto Kauba: Fine as is. Was 622, now 618.

619/Pintsch Bamag: Fine as is. Have renamed Vanilla photo. Was 617, now 619.

620/Puch: Fine as is. Have replaced photo. Was 618, now 620.

621/Steyr: Fine as is. Have replaced photo. Was 619, now 621.

622/Technische Universität Wien: Fine as is. Have renamed Vanilla photo. Was 620, now 622.

623/Wolfgang Gröbner: Fine as is. Have replaced photo. Was 602, now 623.

The file:
http://www.2shared.com/file/9995451/aec8d570/AUSTT.html
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most of these suggestions included
 
Maj. von Mauser said:
Regarding the Czech Naval question. Thanks to Cegroach, I propose this:

Czechoslovakia:

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Name: Czechoslovakian Danube Flottilla
Skill: 2
Traits: Naval Training, Seamanship and Small Taskforce Tactics
Years Active: 1930-1970
Notes: I gave it the same stats as the Austrian because they had almost identical capabilities.

http://bighugelabs.com/onblack.php?id=3769077556
Picture in the link.

Name: Komárno Shipyards
Skill: 2
Traits: Naval Engineering, Naval Artillery, Electronics and Technical Efficiency
Years Active: 1930-1970
Notes: Same as the above team.

Thanks Cegroach for finding some good information, and some very nice pictures! Do you know how to say "shipyard" in Czech, because I would add that to the "Komárno" name?
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done but I miss the pic of the shipyard
 
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