The seven seas

djrice247 · Feb 26, 2015

Somewhat pointless question, but is it possible to have ships on either the Caspian or Aral Seas? I don't know why you would, but just wondering. If so, does that mean you could have a merchant republic confined to just that area?

Also, is it somehow possible to build trading posts in the Indian Ocean if you are a European merchant republic? I know you cannot change your capital so probably not.

xXConquerorXx · Feb 26, 2015

Caspian and Arala provinces don't have ports, so no ships there (though if you gave them ports, thats doable).

Second question, IDK, never tried that.

stilgarpl · Feb 26, 2015

You can only build trade posts in one Ocean - either Atlantic+European Seas or Indian + Indian Seas. You can move your capital to de jure capital of your primary title. So, if your Venice conquers Duchy of Medina and move your capital there, you can start building trade posts in India (you won't lose European posts, but you won't be able to build new one there until you move your capital back to Europe or Northern Africa.

JustSmall · Feb 26, 2015

It'd be possible but you'd need to create a new "ocean" for each of these and assign every sea tile within these "oceans" a province ID and a port. But there's no real point in doing that, tbh. The only ones who could possibly take advantage of this are the Germanic, who are usually far from those seas.

aitaituo · Feb 26, 2015

The Caspian is considered a major river for the purposes of Norse boat travel, but not as actual seas. I can't remember if you can go to the Aral Sea or not.

Halcyan · Feb 26, 2015

djrice247 said:
Also, is it somehow possible to build trading posts in the Indian Ocean if you are a European merchant republic? I know you cannot change your capital so probably not.

stilgarpl said:
You can only build trade posts in one Ocean - either Atlantic+European Seas or Indian + Indian Seas. You can move your capital to de jure capital of your primary title. So, if your Venice conquers Duchy of Medina and move your capital there, you can start building trade posts in India (you won't lose European posts, but you won't be able to build new one there until you move your capital back to Europe or Northern Africa.

I also recall hearing stories that you can seize/conquer trade posts of another Republic, even if they are in the other ocean.

In particular, someone allowed a Merchant Republic to pop up in the Red Sea (south of Sinai) and then stole any trade posts that were built.

klopkr · Feb 26, 2015

You can reach the Caspian Sea but not the Aral Sea. You just need to use rivers. You can also reach lake ledoga which is a port less province.

AchedTeacher · Feb 27, 2015

klopkr said:
You can reach the Caspian Sea but not the Aral Sea. You just need to use rivers. You can also reach lake ledoga which is a port less province.

Which requires Norse river sailing

Salje · Feb 27, 2015

AchedTeacher said:
Which requires Norse river sailing

Which is fucked up to say at least. I understand the argument that "only" Scandinavians had special boats with what they could use portages, but I have no idea why Indians for example cannot boat up the Ganges river without converting into some Germanic paganism.

Ols · Feb 27, 2015

Salje said:
Which is fucked up to say at least. I understand the argument that "only" Scandinavians had special boats with what they could use portages, but I have no idea why Indians for example cannot boat up the Ganges river without converting into some Germanic paganism.

Balance issues, but I suppose there wasn't really any tradition of Indian kingdoms using the Ganges or indeed the Indus to move militaries into position. It'd be odd if Punjab declared war on Sindh and sailed down the Indus to reach their capital unmolested.

djrice247 · Feb 27, 2015

stilgarpl said:
You can only build trade posts in one Ocean - either Atlantic+European Seas or Indian + Indian Seas. You can move your capital to de jure capital of your primary title. So, if your Venice conquers Duchy of Medina and move your capital there, you can start building trade posts in India (you won't lose European posts, but you won't be able to build new one there until you move your capital back to Europe or Northern Africa.

This was very helpful. On a related note, has anyone ever seen Indian merchant republics spring up without use of the console? I have yet to see that.

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