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You have no excuse now Paradox!!! Goths are going to be in EU4's AoW expansion, We demand them for CK2 in a new Eastern Germanic Group!!!!
 
I agree!
 
I support the addition, but what provinces should they inhabit and what religion should they practice? Also which group should they be in. I know they are Germanic, but for purposes of balance should they be in the Byzantine group so the southern bit of Crimea more readily remains in the Empire?
 
How about also adding Dalmatians to the Illyrian coastline? Even after the fall of western Rome and even after the Slavic migration periods there were quite many Latin speaking areas on the coast.
And why not give different culture groups for Franks, Saxons, Burgundians, Alemans and Bavarians?
Assyrians? New Caucasian culture groups, like Circassians and Iberians/Albanians?
 
I support the addition, but what provinces should they inhabit and what religion should they practice? Also which group should they be in. I know they are Germanic, but for purposes of balance should they be in the Byzantine group so the southern bit of Crimea more readily remains in the Empire?

I'd put Crimean Goths as being very much under Byzantine influence since they first settled there.

Arian religion please? :p
 
How about also adding Dalmatians to the Illyrian coastline? Even after the fall of western Rome and even after the Slavic migration periods there were quite many Latin speaking areas on the coast.
And why not give different culture groups for Franks, Saxons, Burgundians, Alemans and Bavarians?
Assyrians? New Caucasian culture groups, like Circassians and Iberians/Albanians?

I do hope that is not sarcastic.
 
Nope, I love having more cultures. More = better.
Whilst I understand maybe the need for less Caucasian cultures, Dalmatians would be quite realistic.

So the most realistic way for you and because more = better... every province should have a own culture. :)
 
So the most realistic way for you and because more = better... every province should have a own culture. :)

Sandman called, he wants his fallacy back.
 
By 769 they were firmly in the Greek Orthodox camp. Provinces-wise, probably just the south-west-most province of Cherson.
If that's it, honestly I have to say it probably isn't worth anyone's time. I understand the fun of come-back plays, but at that point I might have the most fun making an Orthodox German in the ruler creator instead.
 
So the most realistic way for you and because more = better... every province should have a own culture. :)

Which is how it would be in real life, different people have different way of living in different places. A culture represents how people live and interact with another.

So maybe it would be better to just talk about different languages. All major languages should be represented for the sake of accurate historical setup. Basques, Normans, Andalusians, Bretons, Cumbrians, Picts, Wends, Sorbs, Slovenes, Retoromans, Alemans, Burgundians, Alans, Khazars, Livonians, Merjas, Assyrians, Beta-Israelis, Samis, Ingrians, Copts, Crimean Goths, Kurds, Vlachs, Dalmatians, Sardu, Aragonians...
Many of those listed already existed in vanilla, others in mods. Some have existed in previous or other Paradox games, some not. Yet they could all claim the same right to be represented as unique languages in the game. Sure, not all of them have had their own nation states, and many of them might have simply disappeared during the past centuries. But for historical accuracy I myself would hope Paradox manages to add as many different unique language groups into the game as possible.
During middle ages many "dialects" were more or less their own languages. A Sardinian might have had hard time grasping a Venetian, or a Dalmatian might be having difficulties understanding Sicilian. The Latin language group had become so diverse that many of its local dialects should be recognized as their own unique languages in the game.

But that is just my opinion. (which is one of the reasons I always tend to play mods instead of vanilla)
 
If that's it, honestly I have to say it probably isn't worth anyone's time. I understand the fun of come-back plays, but at that point I might have the most fun making an Orthodox German in the ruler creator instead.

What if Paradox adds a Anglo-Prussian culture with its own de-jure Empire? :eek:o
pls gib updates :p

East Germans would be quite different from the Central German languages. Just like West German (English) differs a lot from North and Central German language groups.
A German in Riga would have no clue what a German in Genf is speaking about.
 
If that's it, honestly I have to say it probably isn't worth anyone's time. I understand the fun of come-back plays, but at that point I might have the most fun making an Orthodox German in the ruler creator instead.

They are adding them in EU, and even giving them a tag. So why not, since this means that an antique culture disappears, then reappears as they are loosing relevancy.
 
If that's it, honestly I have to say it probably isn't worth anyone's time. I understand the fun of come-back plays, but at that point I might have the most fun making an Orthodox German in the ruler creator instead.

Which is exactly why they exist in EUIV now, yes?