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Meeg

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OK this has happened to me in several different games: Old King has three sons lets say Son 1 Adam, Son 2 Bill, Son 3 Charles. This kingdom is cursed with the blight known as "gavelkind succession" so when the Old King dies his land is due to be split up in some messed up way that will screw over Adam, probably leaving him with one county.

Now Adam gets married and has a son of his own, let's call him Doug. Hooray, a grandson! The old king is overjoyed. But then Adam predeceases his father.

Now in my experience, under gavelkind, the king's titles will now be split between his two remaining sons Bill and Charles and poor little Doug (who would have inherited the kingdom if his father hadn't died before grandpa) gets nothing.

BUT NOT ONLY THAT, the most unfair blow of all is that Doug doesn't even get a claim on his grandfather's titles. I've ended up in Doug's shoes before and I think it's BS that I don't even have a claim for the kingdom I would have inherited had things gone differently. So if I wanted to try and retake the throne I'd have to fabricate a claim or something (as if I had no legitimate reason to think I should have the throne).

IN SHORT: Am I right in saying under gavelkind the child of a son who predeceases his father gets passed over in inheritance and doesn't even get a claim to any of his grandfather's titles? Is this fair, people?
 
I don't have the answers, but I've observed some things recently since coming back to the game after months that have confused. First, it seems to me that a lot of folks don't show having claims of some kind when the should - like looking at heirs and 2nd and 3rds in other lands. Also, I had a recent case of a son predeceasing me and his son (my grandson) actually was part of the Gavelkind succession with my other sons. Never seen that and actually posted about it, but got no real answer other than to get rid of Gavelkind when I can.
 
I don't have the answers, but I've observed some things recently since coming back to the game after months that have confused. First, it seems to me that a lot of folks don't show having claims of some kind when the should - like looking at heirs and 2nd and 3rds in other lands. Also, I had a recent case of a son predeceasing me and his son (my grandson) actually was part of the Gavelkind succession with my other sons. Never seen that and actually posted about it, but got no real answer other than to get rid of Gavelkind when I can.

That's totally the solution. And when I had primogeniture I would usually land my younger sons so they'd still all get something--except I got to split it up as opposed to the computer