Fate of the Pope

Abnwtwtud

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• Jun 10, 2014

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• #1

So, I've been playing a Norse game out of Sweden in 867 which spiraled a bit out of control. Originally I was just going to convert to Catholicism at some point after I got bored of raiding and concubines. By 1150, I've reformed the Norse faith, and have 400+ dynasty members making considerable contributions in every kingdom in Europe. The Norse faith is the only faith in Europe up to the Byzantine Empire and Ethiopia (last Great Holy War took Egypt). There are no Catholic provinces, and only one catholic ruler (Knights Hospitaller, has a castle in the Byzantine Empire for some reason). I recently just looked for a Pope, and couldn't find one. Has the Pope disappeared from my game for good? For some reason I thought that wasn't possible.

 

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• Jun 10, 2014

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look at the religion tab, it will give you the name of the current pope, then search character. The Pope gets tricky to find once he becomes landless... but he should still be there somewhere.

Reminds me of my Umayyad game where the Orthodox Patriarch is my court jester since 200 years...lol.

 

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• Jun 10, 2014

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If he's gone that's actually not good. If I recall correctly certain events check to see if the Pope exists before firing (since the Pope is supposed to always exist). For example, if there's no Pope the Mongol invasion won't occur.

 

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• Jun 10, 2014

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Just search for "The Papacy" via find title tool, it will show you current status of searched title.

 

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• Jun 10, 2014

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You can use the console to grant it to a random catholic character if it really was destroyed.
There is a bug in the current version which allows this to happen sometimes (adventurer invasions by ballsy vikings, mostly).

 

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• Jun 10, 2014

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As the religion tab tells you, Pope will always be there, even if Rome falls.

He is simply hiding.

 

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• Jun 10, 2014

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Handy to find him, if only so you can get your hands on his cash.

In my current game an ex-pope left 120000 gold to a muslim baron, who ended up landless at a court in the middle of Persia. The richest man in the world, but no castle.

 

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• Jun 10, 2014

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I checked the religious tab first thing, and he was not present there. Like I said, at this point there's only one landed Catholic in the entire world, and that's soon to end. There are no provinces that follow the Catholic faith at all. As far as I can tell, there's no holder of the Papacy title, and searches have failed to find him. Will this make my game borked or should it still be fine?

 

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• Jun 10, 2014

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nyah said:

Handy to find him, if only so you can get your hands on his cash.

In my current game an ex-pope left 120000 gold to a muslim baron, who ended up landless at a court in the middle of Persia. The richest man in the world, but no castle.

Click to expand...

I formed the empire of Britannia and unlanded the Pope whenever he had 80k on him. I chased him all the way to Bulgaria and then took the kingdom, gave him land, imprisoned him, and took his fortune. To say the least, I can do whatever the hell I want for the rest of the game.

 

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• Jun 10, 2014

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You can easily find any religious head in the religion tab of the ledger, by double clicking on the name.

The papacy may sometimes be destroyed if it is vassalized as the result of an invasion (probably by the magyars or some muslim sultan). This is a bug. A catholic ruler may recreate the papacy if he holds Rome, but don't do this yourself as you will become the pope and get booted out of the game.

The same things can happen with the ecumenical patriarch.

 

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• Jun 11, 2014

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The game is not broken, but some events are now impossible to get (like the aforementioned Horde invasions).

Like I said before, you can fix it by using the console to grant The Papacy to some random Catholic guy.
If you are in Iron Man, you can take Rome and then give it to the last Catholic guy and just hope he can scrounge up the necessary piety.