What Diseases actually do?

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• Mar 21, 2014

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title says all.

 

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Relatively rare chance for extra death. Best circumstance i ever had with disease was in a mod. Knahaten Flu which was truly lethal and killed most of the world. This was in the elder scrolls and gave the actual impression of lethal disease. Its a trifle in the base game that can be largely ignored.

 

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Until there is province population, from which tax income and levies depend, diseases cant do much.

 

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When they actually do something? And Is there a black death event or something?

 

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Disease doesn't do much of anything, except raise the chance that a character will die (and I think it lowers supply in a province to an extent).


Of course, if we make it so disease actually has some major effect (after say adding population) I'd like to have the ability to have my armies attempt to spread diseases.

 

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Black Death can certainly have a tree-trimming effect on your family

 

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It's mostly a pain in the *** when sieging holdings that have disease outbreak because you can suddenly take heavy attrition. It can also randomly kill you or family members, tho I have to say that all my rulers usually tend to recover from pretty much every disease quite easily. I also don't know if it's just me but Greece/Anatolia seems to be constantly ravaged by one disease after the next in my games.

 

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Enlil said:

Black Death can certainly have a tree-trimming effect on your family

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Not in my games.

The only effect I noticed is: I try not to besiege provinces with diseases as the supply is most of the time pretty low. If I can storm I still go in.

 

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Mizz2 said:

What Diseases actually do?

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Kills my heir

 

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Diseases make people with them more likely to die by reducing their health (which is also the stat used to determine how likely they are to recover (does not apply to all diseases) and has a large influence on how long they'll live if they aren't killed). Additionally, most diseases lower other stats and fertility. Except for Generic Illness ("Ill"), Pneumonia, and Leprosy, all diseases can be "epidemics", which affect whole counties and can spread to characters in that county. When a county has an epidemic, the tax income is substantially reduced, I think the levies are reduced, supply limits are greatly reduced, can the outbreak can spread to neighboring counties.

Bubonic Plague kills the hell out of everyone (or at least tries to) by reducing all afflicted characters' health by 7. The most health any normal character should be born with is 6, so that means that unless the victim is Strong, their health will be reduced to zero, making them much more likely to die. So that it doesn't actually kill everyone, there is no health requirement for recovery.

 

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A dynamic population would be awesome. But in the meanwhile, couldnt they just implement a province effect that reduces income and levy by a percentage for disease? They already do this for tax income with the robber events when you have negative treasury right?

 

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ycee said:

A dynamic population would be awesome. But in the meanwhile, couldnt they just implement a province effect that reduces income and levy by a percentage for disease? They already do this for tax income with the robber events when you have negative treasury right?

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Problem with this is when disease is over, province should not go back to normal (well depending on disease). Some plaguses should cause long term damage. Like it happened in Spain.

 

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Enlil said:

Black Death can certainly have a tree-trimming effect on your family

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Problem is, this game uses a flat -health system. In real life, the deadliest plagues were just survivable enough that they could infect a few more people around them, before they die. In this game it's nothing like that.

 

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If they added in dynamic diseases, you just know someone would mod in a zombie plague. That would be both awesome and hilarious.

 

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StarlightTW said:

If they added in dynamic diseases, you just know someone would mod in a zombie plague. That would be both awesome and hilarious.

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Zombie Plague you say? http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?732226-MiniMod-Crusader-Kings-Z

 

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BLENKYGI said:

Zombie Plague you say? http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?732226-MiniMod-Crusader-Kings-Z

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Read about that in a gamer magazine...I need to try that out after they integrate steam workshop into CK2.

 

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Gromdal said:

Until there is province population, from which tax income and levies depend, diseases cant do much.

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They really need to implement this. And an actual economy system too.

 

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JosunUrashima said:

Read about that in a gamer magazine...I need to try that out after they integrate steam workshop into CK2.

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what's stopping you now?

 

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Gromdal said:

Problem with this is when disease is over, province should not go back to normal (well depending on disease). Some plaguses should cause long term damage. Like it happened in Spain.

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You could implement this with a "recently diseased" modifier, similar to the "recently conquered" modifier after taking a territory.

 

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As far as diseases, I find that any wife is usually dead by 35 because of the "ill" diesease. As far as rulers and heirs, my only concern is getting pneumonia before age 5 or after age 40. Outside of those factors, my ruler usually is cured from any other disease after a few weeks. I've never had the black death event, and "the great pox" can occassionally get a ruler or wife in the span of 300 years.

As far as general effect, the biggest thing I notice is that attricition hurts my army a bit faster.