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Hochseeflotte
The German Battlefleet of the Second World War

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Battleship Ostfriesland, part of the Helgoland class of German battleships. One of the battleships of the Hochseeflotte involved in the Battle of Jutland during World War I

Introduction
Compared to the Kriegsmarine of the Second World War, the Imperial German Navy of the First World War was a naval superpower. She entered the First World War in 1914 with no less than 19 Dreadnought class Battleships, 22 pre-Dreadnought Battleships and 7 Battlecruisers. Not counting small encounters involving around a dozen ships at a time, only 1 great fleet battle was fought between this fleet and her main adversary, the most powerful naval force the world had ever seen - the British Empire's Grand Fleet: the Battle of Jutland. This great fleet battle was eventually a great disappointment for all advocators of a Grand Navy, as neither side won a clear and overwhelming victory. The Grand Fleet lost more capital ships than the Hochseeflotte (High Seas Fleet) but she also had a lot more ships to deploy, and neither side suffered a crippling blow. It was said the German Navy won a tactical victory where the British won the strategic victory because they held control of the seas and still outnumbered the Germans 3:2.

Because the German command realised it could not win a prolonged naval war with the British when casualties mounted the way they did at Jutland, and because the German emperor did not want to risk the fleet, she sailed in strenght only once, 31 May and 1 June 1916, which cumilated in the Battle of Jutland. This battle convinced German admiral Scheer he would not be able to wrest control of the seas from the British, even with a highly succesfull engagement. This, coupled with the emperor's fears for the pride of his army, turned German naval attention towards the use of submarines to harrass enemy shipping.
A large part of the Hochseeflotte was interned in the British naval base at Scapa flow at the end of hostilities, where she was eventually scuttled by her own crews in June 1919 to prevent the ships from falling into British hands after the treaty of Versailles was signed. Most of these scuttled ships were recovered in 1919-1920 and sold for scrap metal. Other ships were disarmed and used as target practice or training vessels, while some were disarmed during the war and re-armed in the interwar period.

Treaty of Versailles
After the First World War, when the Weimar Republic was in charge and the Reichswehr was limited to 100.000 soldiers, a small fleet also existed, known as the Reichsmarine.
The Reichsmarine consisted of 6 Pocket Battleships (Battlecruisers in game terms), 6 light cruisers, 12 destroyers and 12 torpedo boats. She was banned from owning any submarines. She was only allowed to field 15.000 men. It was allowed to replace outdated ships with newer types so long as the weight of the ships did not exceed 10.000 tons. The total displacement of the fleet was not to exceed 35.000 tons.

Intentions
As you may have guessed from the above, this AAR will focus on the German navy. The idea randomnly came to me when reading about the battle of Jutland, WW1, earlier today.
At the moment, I'm still in the process of setting up the CGM for this game, it hasn't even started yet. Once all that has been resolved, a first proper chapter concerning the years prior to 1936 will be put up to explain what was done in this phase.

From there on, I intend to focus on the history of the fleet during the war, in all aspects. This includes the development and commissioning of new vessels, war plans, operations, battles etc. Other parts of the war will be largely ignored, though I will try to give a broad idea of what's going on every now and then. Some overview maps at different times at the very least. It's all still crystallising in my mind atm though, nothing's set in stone. It would probably get a bit boring or confusing if I ignored the other branches completely so I probably won't do that. The focus however, will be on the fleet.

Now, I'm absolutely no expert on naval combat, I've had some great success with an advanced (minmaxed) German battleshipfleet before, but that's no guarantee this won't go horribly wrong at some point. I've set it up slightly different this time, and haven't run a testgame yet.We shall see................
 
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Table of Contents

Introduction
Table of Contents
Ship types of the Hochseeflotte in 1936
The first year
1937
From Anschluss to First Vienna
The last year of peace

Danzig or War
The battle of Poland
Operation Weserübung
Reflextions of the Great War
Fall Gelb
The fall of France

The waves turn Red, June 1940
June 1940 Kriegsmarine Order of Battle and Abwehr Intelligence Report, Department Bhutan
The battle of the Flemish Bank
The battle of the Finnmark Coast
Operation Barbarossa - a first study
Operation Barbarossa - second draft

Operation Marita
The Italian Summer
The Mediterranean Fleet
May 1941 Kriegsmarine Order of Battle and Abwehr Intelligenge Report, Department Bhutan

Operation Barbarossa begins
The Brest-Litovsk pocket
The Parizhskaya Kommuna's demise
The end of the Marat
Analysis of the first stage of Operation Barbarossa
September 1941
October 1941
The 2.Panzerarmee arrives
Disturbing the Sleeping Giant
Battles from Smolensk to Dnipropetrovsk

An Oberkommando Divided
Preparing the winter offensives and a look at the Far East
The fall of Sevastopol and Sydney
Die Grüne Teufel

Rumours in Berlin

The fall of Leningrad
Unternehmen Salza
The battles of Casablanca and Moscow
A look at Technology - August 1942
Unternehmen Ludwig - the descisive battle at Stalingrad

Re-organising the army and a naval expansion
The second battle of Casablanca
The first engagements against the Americans
April 1943 Kriegsmarine Order of Battle and Abwehr Intelligence Report, Department Bhutan and Washington
Footage of the First World War Hochseeflotte
Italian competence in Iraq

Analysis of the American fleet engaged at Casablanca and around Spain
The battle of Spain and a Kriegsmarine expansion
The final preparations

Unternehmen Seelöwe
A quick look at Asia
Fall of the British Empire
Sorting the British mess
The fall of Ireland
Wrapping up 1943 and Switserland
The invasion of Sweden
AI intervention
About battleships and panzergrenadiers
The battle of Lisboa and the siege of Bagdad

Planning Unternehmen Untergang
The Hochseeflotte sets sail
Unternehmen Untergang commences
Assaulting the Eastcoast
The battle of Pittsburgh
Battle of the Carribean
When more panzer-divisions arrive
The Second Battle of the Carribean

The Battle of New Orleans and the end of the Second World War
Post war Axis military statistics and a comprehensive list of all ship sunk during the Second World War
 
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I'm in... I am eager to see how a Überkriesgmarine can stop the Red Tide
 
As Germany posessed no real fleet to speak of during the early 1930's, during the re-armament program of 1935 it was decided to build 2 pocket battleships, comparable to the British Battlecruiser classification. These ships, the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, were constructed in 1935 and formed the first capital ships of the new German fleet. Secretly, another new ship had been put in production and was launched shortly thereafter - the battleship Bismarck.

Characteristics of the different classes of ships in use by the Kriegsmarine at the start of 1936
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The Battleship class currently in use, represented by the Bismarck.
The Battlecruiser class currently in use, represented by the Scharnhorst.
The Heavy Cruiser class currently in use, represented by the Deutschland.
The Light Cruiser class currently in use, represented by the Nürnberg.
 
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I'm in... I am eager to see how a Überkriesgmarine can stop the Red Tide

You'r welcome, I'll try to keep the focus on the fleet whilst providing enough information from other branches to not keep you completely in the dark. ask away if you want some more info on them, though.
I hope this will get going better than most of my HOI games lately. I either seriously screw my own economy in CGM, or real life screws with my plan so badly that when I finally come back to the game I feel like starting a new campaign. Starting an AAR without having played a single day might be a risk on one hand, and a drive to continue on the other.
The previous post I put up might look completly different tomorrow, when I've had another thought about it :)
 
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sub... Very interesting AAR indeed
 
but besides from creating a supermuscled fleet, what are your objectives?
 
but besides from creating a supermuscled fleet, what are your objectives?

Uhh, I guess to kick around everyone that has the balls to stand against the Wehrmacht? I'm probably gonna try to keep finding new victims till we run out of decently sized ones.
Personally, my biggest concern right now is balancing the Eastern Front and the Kriegsmarine. If I can get that right, we'r golden. If not, things will get interesting... I don't intend to focus too much on that part though.
It's been a while since I played a serious HOI campaign, thanks to EU, but I remember my last Barbarossa involved over 2 million men. That was overkill. Doubt that will be possible with these naval plans, so we shall see.

I've only ever launched an invasion of the USA once before, also as Germany. Back then however, it was more a case of sneaking the fleet past theirs while the Japs kept em busy, followed by a panzerarmee on rampage mode. It was FTM after all.
I'm not giving any guarantees yet, but that seems like a logical end boss, so to say.
 
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Ugh, that "P-class battlecruiser" makes my eyes bleed :( Base game mistake, not your fault. Anyway, this sounds interesting so I'll follow along. If you're interested in Germany's real plans to expand the navy, check out the naval info thread in my signature. There are 2 pre-1936 plans you might be interested in since you're using CGM and don't seem to have gotten very far yet.
 
Ugh, that "P-class battlecruiser" makes my eyes bleed :( Base game mistake, not your fault. Anyway, this sounds interesting so I'll follow along. If you're interested in Germany's real plans to expand the navy, check out the naval info thread in my signature. There are 2 pre-1936 plans you might be interested in since you're using CGM and don't seem to have gotten very far yet.

That P-class is indeed a result of my CGM'ing, it's a 1936 class ship (as in, the current tech screen is noted as 1938, so thats the next tech level to be developed). If I'm correct, that's a level higher than the real-life Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were. (judging by their launch date)

sorry, I'm not gonna use the real life fleet plans, it took me a couple hours to CGM this yesterday and I want to get a bit of playing in now. Mostly my problem though, I'm too bloody undeciscive when playing Grand Strategy games. EUIII advances at a few hours a day too, when I play that...
Right, time to stop messing around and get some playing done, or this AAR won't get off the ground before christmas.
 
Well, I said that about the P-class, because there was no battlecruiser with that class designation. The P-class was supposed to be the heavy cruisers that were to come after the Hipper-class. The battlecruiser class after the Scharnhorst was supposed to be the O-class. In the game, the P-class is applied to the wrong ship type, and the O-class doesn't exist.

Yes, you're right in that the P-class shown in your screenshots is one level higher than the Scharnhorst. In the end though, unless you want to roleplay, all that matters are the stats on the ships.

No problem on the real life plans. I just wanted to mention them in case you were interested.
 
Well, I said that about the P-class, because there was no battlecruiser with that class designation. The P-class was supposed to be the heavy cruisers that were to come after the Hipper-class. The battlecruiser class after the Scharnhorst was supposed to be the O-class. In the game, the P-class is applied to the wrong ship type, and the O-class doesn't exist.

Yes, you're right in that the P-class shown in your screenshots is one level higher than the Scharnhorst. In the end though, unless you want to roleplay, all that matters are the stats on the ships.

No problem on the real life plans. I just wanted to mention them in case you were interested.

Ah now I get what you meant. I thought the P-class was some blueprint BC in the wrong place in the tech tree.
I have looked at the RL plans a while ago, way before even planning this. Does look very nice, perhaps another time.

ATM I'm thinking a bit on how to do the first years of buildup, I'll cover the launching of ships, ofc, and perhaps the regular half year late SCW :p
 
Hochseeflotte
The German Battlefleet of the Second World War
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The Battlecruiser Gneisenau, one of two P-class Battlecruisers in service with the Kriegsmarine since 1935

It is 1936. It has been three years since the nazi-party took power in Germany, and ordered the rebuilding of the nation's armed forces. Unemployment, which had risen to a staggering 31% in 1932, steadily dropped as large public works were ordered by the government. Extensive arms development plans were launched by Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine research and development departments. Germany's industrial centres were booming, producing new machinery and factories. A large industrial manufactoring centre was under construction in the Breslau-region in 1936.

The Kriegsmarine's first expansion plan called for 2 additional P-class Battlecruisers, after extensive field testing of the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau had proven their effectiveness. The "Moltke" and "Von der Tann" were laid down in January 1936 and expected to be commissioned somewhere in October 1937.
However, as an army marches on it's stomach, a fleet requires bases from which to operate. Before a Grand Fleet could be established, the infrastructure to support the fleet had to be build. New shipyards that were to be base of operations of the new fleet were constructed. Several of the new factories in the Breslau-region were tailored towards the production of large-caliber artillery, heavy anti-aircraft guns and battleship gun-emplacements.

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The large naval base of Wilhelmshafen, after the most recent expansion and modernisation of it's shipyards, coastal defence batteries, FLAK emplacements and a brand new RADAR-station


Germany was not the only country with a new right-wing government. Across Europe, different forms of autocratic regimes and fascist parties made bids for power. Back in 1922, Mussolini had already seized power in Italy and was rapidly developing the country's industry and armed forces. In France, various parties with vastly opposite idealogies vied for power. Spain was rapidly descending into chaos as increasingly extreme left-wing governments collapsed in chaos and anarchy spread across the nation. This would eventually escalate to full scale civil war in February 1937, between various socialist, communist and anarchist-backed government forces on one side and a right-wing military uprising led by Army of Africa general Franco and supported by many right-wing factions, the catholic church and landowners on the other side.

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The outbreak of the Spanish Civil War

Erich Raeder, the newly appointed Grand Admiral of the Kriegsmarine, dispatched several Kriegsmarine-personnel to Spain as part of a larger group of advisors to the Nationalist forces. They were to observe the possible deployment of naval units and the execution of operations. The primary assignment was to assess the perceived threat of light, torpedo-armed aircraft to battleships and other fleet units. In a recent joint excercise with the Luftwaffe, it had become clear that she was employing new Dornier DO-217 bombers, armed with anti-ship torpedo's. If other nations had develop weapons of similar style, these could prove a threat to the fleet. Hopefully, their effectiveness and potential countermeasures could be determined by the advisors.

Last but not least, a defence plan was drawn up by the Kriegsmarine, in the event of immediate war.

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A submarine shield acting as early warning screens, and a reaction force stationed in Kiel, ready to jump an enemy fleet that gets too close to the German coast
 
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a n interesting idea, but it seems to me that your convoys will be under attack deeper in the Atlantic
 
a n interesting idea, but it seems to me that your convoys will be under attack deeper in the Atlantic

My convoys? With the Royal Navy as my enemy, I will probbaly kill all overseas trade as soon as fighting breaks out and tryto live on scavenged resources and USSR trade till Barbarossa comes around. Unless I can completely wipe the British fleet off the surface of the earth, down to the last submarine, my convoys will be under attack.

This plan is the one drawn up in case of immediate war. AKA with the resources available right now in mind, not those available in 2 years. Perhaps by that time i'll update the plan to what I think I can do then. The battleplan maker isn't good for much else anyways :p
 
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Hochseeflotte
The German Battlefleet of the Second World War
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Battleship Bismarck pulling back from the scene of the Battle of the Denmark Strait, moments after she sunk HMS Hood. Image taken from Bismarck's escorting vessel, Prinz Eugen, on May 24th, 1941

The year 1937 proved quite the eventful on the international stage. In the middle of August, Japanese forces launched a full-scale invasion of Nationalist China, after a border incident in Manchuria escalated. In a rapid display of power, they overran Chinese forces along the coastline. However, the Chinese government still holds the centre of the country and neither side seems able to dislodge the other.

At the same time, heavy fighting was raging in Spain, where, after suffering vast initial losses, government forces backed by communist militia went on the counteroffensive. By late September it was clear the Nationalist' frontline was crumbling, and they completely shattered in the following Republican counteroffensive in October. It seems we underestimated general Franco after all. If anything, this war has shown us the importance of keeping up the momentum of an offensive. If you are exhausted, your troops will not be able to hold onto the conquered ground and be easily rolled up in an enemy counterattack.

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And so, as swiftly as the uprising began, it was all over in Spain

This one is a challenge to the readers. What do I want you to see in this screenshot?
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Finally, a grand day for the Kriegsmarine arrived. The day our 2 latest ships are revealed to the public.
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The Moltke and Von der Tann are pressed into service with the ever expanding Kriegsmarine

As soon as these ships leave the drydocks, new keels are laid.
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Abwehr intelligence report regarding enemy fleet activity
Radar installations recently activated in Wilhelmshafen and local spy activity has revealed 1 French battlecruiser, 1 French battleship and 1 French aircraft carrier docked in Bretagne. Also, 4 British battleships, 1 British escort carrier and 1 fleet carrier have been sighted in various ports across Britain.​

Not an aweful lot to say about this early period, since most of you know pretty well what happens. I'm already not the fastest player in the world (understatement of the year) and taking screenshots and putting a short story together around them turns my game's speed into a crawl. As you can see, it took me 2 proper episodes to cover 2 buildup years. That needs to get better. I hope to be able to cover the rest of the prewar period in the next episode, and get real after that.
 
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I will do my best to follow what seems to be your first AAR. :) Btw for me managing the fleets is one of the most enjoyable things about HOI3. Good luck and have fun! :)

Thanks, you'r most welcome!
In fact, I once did something with Nationalist China in FTM, beat Japan, joined the Commies and got bogged down in a massive war with Germany, cause I had to DOW Japan as they feared me too much. Thus, Germany had been at war since 1937 and ripped through Stalin's forces. It ended in a stalemate with a huge wall of soviet and chinese troops on one side and an armed-to-the-teeth Wehrmacht:p So yea it's my first attempt from the get-go.

I'm still dubbing a lot on how to present things, and what. I think I'll keep going the way it is atm, with the diplomatic headlines when they appear, and switch to a more naval focus once shit hits the fan.

Regarding fleets, a while ago I put up a topic with some devastating naval battles, the aftermath of that game got me thinking about this. Let's see if we can get equally good fights this time
 
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Enjoying it thus far, hoping you don't drop it off!