The very one thing i dont like with AI right now ...

erekose123

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• Aug 19, 2013

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Learning the game as France, this is my 3rd or 4th try, doing better each time.
But in every game its the same story : once i ally anyone, they feel they are unbeatable and declare war to everyone all the time ...

Right now i'm allied with Bavaria which is a strong german power.
Bavaria declared war on palatinate for conquest, then on Denmark, then on austria and finally on the ottomans. All that in like 10 years ...
Its easy : as soon as its truces end : WAR WAR WAR
this is getting boring after a while ...

 

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I agree, so I keep my alliances to a minimum, so I don't have to get the prestige loss when idiots like Naples declare war on Austria and by extension half of Europe.

 

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• Aug 19, 2013

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Also, please give the alliance leader the possibility to negociate peace for its ally(s) ............

 

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Agree. The silly thing is that you'll get no prestige or gold for helping the guy out.

 

erekose123

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and it makes your "war weariness" rise so high you can not integrate your vassals anymore .... :/

 

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I think the moral of the story is to manage your relationships better and not just make an alliance with everything under the sun.

 

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• Aug 19, 2013

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TheRevanchist said:

I think the moral of the story is to manage your relationships better and not just make an alliance with everything under the sun.

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Exactly. I have completely given up on alliances when i'm playing as a Great Power. Which is a pity and shouldn't be that way.

 

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What do you guys suggest be done about it? Obviously alliance shouldn't be a one way street, but I agree that you shouldn't feel dragged down by your allies.

 

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As a player of minor states, I have to admit I behave in the exact same way as the IA. As soon as France is my ally, it's like "Let's conquer everything"

 

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Wiz said:

What do you guys suggest be done about it? Obviously alliance shouldn't be a one way street, but I agree that you shouldn't feel dragged down by your allies.

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Right now, the only thing I use an alliance for is a relation booster to get to offering someone to be my vassal.

 

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1. Give some incentive to participating in war with AI. Prestige is good but the downsides largely outweigh the positives.
2. Force the player to actually participate in the war or risk losing the alliance - that way one cannot simply accept CtA without doing anything.
3. Perhaps keep track when and how the player accepts CtA. The AI could use this to determine if the player would likely help/accept.
3a. Relation with enemies
3b. CtA against previous powers of same size
3c. Manpower of player
3d. etc.

 

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I assume that the AI takes its allies' military strength into consideration when declaring war, yes? I suppose that you could add a modifier based on an ally's war enthusiasm and war exhaustion: e.g. if an ally has low enthusiasm and/or high war exhaustion, then the AI doesn't just assume that it will be able to benefit from the ally's full military strength.

 

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Wiz said:

What do you guys suggest be done about it? Obviously alliance shouldn't be a one way street, but I agree that you shouldn't feel dragged down by your allies.

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I would like an option for a defense-only alliance or an anything-goes alliance. It wouldn't solve everything, but it would help.

 

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It buggs me that you nearly get nothing out of helping your ally's. Should atleast get some prestigue if you win.

 

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I used the AI in my advantage too sometime.
Huge France helped me beat Austria out of the southern Netherlands but this DID came with a price of them taking 1/2 of it in another war.

 

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Wiz said:

What do you guys suggest be done about it? Obviously alliance shouldn't be a one way street, but I agree that you shouldn't feel dragged down by your allies.

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I would LOVE to see an indication of who the AI wants to attack, when it suggests an alliance, e.g. 'They tell us they are likely to attack The Ottomans in the near future' in the same popup as the alliance request. This would be great for immersion too.

"They tell us they are likely to attack France in the near future" - show them the door!

 

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An option to propose another country to guarantee our independance would be interesting imo.

 

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Send an event to the allied player nation "Hey buddy, I wanna declare on evil Ottomans, you are with me?"
Depending on the decision of the player to say yes or no the AI will reconsider its decision to declare war.

In my opinion the whole system with alliance leaders is flawed where minor partners are always fucked. When was your last time to give your ally something in the peace deal just because they helped you?

 

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Wiz said:

What do you guys suggest be done about it? Obviously alliance shouldn't be a one way street, but I agree that you shouldn't feel dragged down by your allies.

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Maybe this is a silly idea, but here we go anyway: how about a foolproof system in which, if the AI wants to wage more than one war say every 3 years, it has to "ask" for your help. If you refuse and it goes to war anyway, you're not breaking the alliance. Kind of like the Civ 5 AI.

 

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kjd22c said:

I would like an option for a defense-only alliance or an anything-goes alliance. It wouldn't solve everything, but it would help.

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Agree. We need a Defensive Alliance and a Full Alliance. The difference being we can be called on a Defensive only if it's a DOW on the ally not them DOW someone else.