I think the great power system should be changed

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• Mar 21, 2013

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I like the great power system, but I have a few problems with it. The biggest is that the top 8 nations are always great powers no matter what.

I think there should be some minimum score that a nation needs to have in order to be a great power. Its annoying how no matter what you do, there are ALWAYS at least 7 other great powers to challenge you. It should be a possible strategy to just systematically dismantle other great powers to a point that they are no longer great powers to remove the threat that they pose to you in the hopes that after a while there are no great powers except your own. I think it is stupid that even small countries with no real power can become great powers and use their great power abilities against you simply because there is some weird rule that says that the top 8 most powerful countries are ALWAYS great powers.

So I suggest a change: Only 8 powers can be great powers at a time like before, but there still has to be a certain minimum score that a nation must have in order to be considered a great power.

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• Mar 21, 2013

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• #2

I think prestige should have less of an effect. Perhaps only half of your prestige is applied to your GP score. That would cut down on random German minors ending up as GPs due to lucky events.

 

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• Mar 21, 2013

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Crater122 said:

I think prestige should have less of an effect. Perhaps only half of your prestige is applied to your GP score. That would cut down on random German minors ending up as GPs due to lucky events.

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That almost never happens. The only German 'minor' I ever see as a GP is Bavaria. It should probably happen less often, but it's not implausible.

 

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• Mar 21, 2013

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By the time you've dismantled every other country in the world to the point that they'd be ineligible as Great Powers, you have already won the game. Possibly several decades ago, in fact.
I don't quite see how important any rules changes by that point could be.

 

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• Mar 21, 2013

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Prestige is the Only way a "Second-Rate" Power like Spain or Ottoman's can remain in the club......even with Player intervention.

Because their Population is illiterate they can't really keep up with the true big boys in industrialization and/or afford a huge military. Especially at end of game....(Dreadnoughts anyone) without Prestige.

 

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• Mar 21, 2013

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Wait a minute... When was this on again?

 

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• Mar 21, 2013

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The role of Secondary powers needs to be refined. Great Powers would then be the greatest of those Secondary Powers.

 

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• Mar 21, 2013

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If you reduce the impact of prestige, it becomes a "Why bother" score. Unless you are #1 and get first crack at the WM, why would you bother with prestige if it had little impact on GP status or winning the game?

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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Because the #1 nation isn't necessarily going to suck up all the rare resources, but the top 5 might.

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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Wait, does your turn to buy in the WM depends on your overall rank? Your Prestige? Or both?

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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Stefanos_P said:

Wait, does your turn to buy in the WM depends on your overall rank? Your Prestige? Or both?

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Higher ranked you are, more likely people want to trade with you. So yeah, it does.

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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Stefanos_P said:

Wait, does your turn to buy in the WM depends on your overall rank? Your Prestige? Or both?

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it goes on prestige

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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Rhyus said:

it goes on prestige

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That's how I remembered it, it even says so in the strategy guide, though it could be outdated since it was written back in vanilla 1.02 I think.

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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Its still the same

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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Well if you only want GB, Russia, France, USA, NGF and maybe Austria as GP's then those changes make sense I guess.

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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There's been much debate about whether USA is GP in the beginning or not...
I think I prefer USA to start as Secondary Power, in the ranks of 9-10, to which they could climb to a Great Power status easily (and looking more historical with their expansion to the Pacific coast).....
And to address "helping Texas against Mexico", I suggest an event...

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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Rhyus said:

Its still the same

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No, it's not. Total score determines buying order.

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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Naselus said:

No, it's not. Total score determines buying order.

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That's what I wanted to hear, thank you Naselus.

It's annoying for the USA to have more Prestige than me (German Empire) when I have TEN times their military score, and three times their industry, only for them to buy ahead of me.

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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MN121MN said:

There's been much debate about whether USA is GP in the beginning or not...
I think I prefer USA to start as Secondary Power, in the ranks of 9-10, to which they could climb to a Great Power status easily (and looking more historical with their expansion to the Pacific coast).....
And to address "helping Texas against Mexico", I suggest an event...

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What 8-9 powers would you put ahead of them? The US in the early 19th century was absolutely seen as a significant player, and somewhat special. The Brits especially felt this way (in traditional 19th century fashion, they assumed that as fellow Anglo-Saxons the US was destined for greatness), but similar echoes are in other countries.

The role that the US played in the Americas, in particular, is best modeled as a GP from the beginning. Leaving aside Texas, they were seen as something of an inspiration for many of the Latin American revolutionaries (not that they necessarily got along, but they were seen as important, just as the French Revolution was). American trade and merchant marine were already significant, and American industry was already a factor. Were they the top GP? Of course not, but they were absolutely one of the top 8.

Anyway, a US intervention in Texas event would be ahistorical, since America didn't directly intervene in the war.

 

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• Mar 22, 2013

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RedRalphWiggum said:

That almost never happens. The only German 'minor' I ever see as a GP is Bavaria. It should probably happen less often, but it's not implausible.

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Saxony and/or Hanover become GPs at times. Especially if you are Prussia and have called them in wars where their armies have performed very well.