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    The Golden Horde has converted!

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    "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history be the answer to this question."
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    I wonder how the game decides what faith the Horde converts to...
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    What about interrealm alliances?

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    I don't quite get why they convert, did they historically?

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    Historically, the Mongol Hordes sought a "better" religion then the Tengrist beliefs they held when they arrived in Europe and the Middle East. They eventually chose to convert to Islam, mostly because that was the religion of the greatest number of their subjects, but there was a significant faction of the Horde that converted to Nestorian Christianity.
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    Yes, they became sunni.
    I lay awake, and strap myself to the bed.
    Put a bulletproof vest on, and shoot myself in the head.


    What about interrealm alliances?

    Check out the Lotharingia and Lowland mod for CK2!

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    Is it really possible to influence the conversion of the Horde when you are not part of it? I'd guess you could conquer their lands, convert them and then give them back but that seems like too much work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye1489 View Post
    ... mostly because that was the religion of the greatest number of their subjects ...
    Maybe that's the reason. Maybe they convert to the religion of which they have the most subjects.
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    Or as Harry Turtledove famously pointed out, they have to decide between giving up multiple wives or giving up alcohol

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    I guess that makes sense, he owns all of Russia, Finland and more.
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    Huh, it's wierd really.. the horde haven't had much success in any of my games.

    Most certainly not in my Anjou one.. where the turks crushed them and took most of russia.
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    If I'm reading the event code correctly, each of the conversion events has a MTTH of 480 months (40 years). If their capital is in a province of a particular religion (in this case most likely Orthodox) then the MTTH decreases by a factor of "0.75". Which means in this case that the possibility for the event to convert them to Orthodoxy is sooner than any other of the conversion events. It just so happened that it fired for the Horde.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Drye View Post
    Or as Harry Turtledove famously pointed out, they have to decide between giving up multiple wives or giving up alcohol
    Hey! I understand that reference! Great author.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyriel View Post
    Huh, it's wierd really.. the horde haven't had much success in any of my games.

    Most certainly not in my Anjou one.. where the turks crushed them and took most of russia.
    Consider yourself lucky. I currently have a Golden horde stretching from Russia to France, and France is losing ground fast (The Golden Horde is besieging Paris), and the Timurids in the south just finished eating the Byzantines and Arabia. Lucky for me I had a patch of land in Scotland to escape too, but there are literally hundreds of Golden Horde fleets sailing around the British Isles daily.

    On topic though, I have seen the Horde convert a few times in other games, including once to Catholic. I'm not sure what triggers it, but Hawkeye1489's post makes sense.

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    There were talks about an alliance between the Mongols and the crusaders states.
    Antioch even became a Mongol vassal, by choice, not by conquest.
    The Mongols had quite a few Nestorian Christians in their court, and many a missionary were send that way.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Mongol_alliance

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