question regarding voting on other kingdoms laws

AllThat4Nothing · Feb 21, 2012

recently as King of Ireland I have taken Wales. Now, the Kingdom of England thinks I'm a voter of theirs. When the king wants to pass a law, I get a screen asking for my vote "even though you are not one of my vassals." Hey, back up there Speedy! Since when am I even a voter? I have nothing to do with them except for some random claims. So what determined that all of a sudden I should care about what their king wants to pass?

For example, he recently asked me to vote on him gaining more crown authority. Well since I'm not his friend, I don't want him having more authority, so I ignored voting. Seems silly he would ask me at all.

AllThat4Nothing · Feb 21, 2012

bump once just in case

edit: 36 views so far and no one knows? :/

Rivus · Feb 21, 2012

I've encountered similar as K.Ireland. Galloway is part of my demesne, and I get invited to vote on Scot laws - always thought it was 'de Jure'.

England asking Wales feels a bit more off the bat though...

c00lizz · Feb 21, 2012

If you own part of a De Jure kingdom/empire you get to vote, regardless of your status as a vassal. Pretty sure it works the same with counties and duchies.

MondoPotato · Feb 21, 2012

c00lizz is correct. If you control any counties/duchies in a de jure kingdom, you get to vote in that kingdoms laws. You're not a de facto vassal, but since you have territory within that crowns authority, you're still "part of" that kingdom in some ways. Think of it like William the Conqueror being King of England, but also Duke of Normandy, and having to follow certain laws within the Kingdom of France for those French holdings.

AllThat4Nothing · Feb 21, 2012

ok, thanks for the explanation. but seems rather silly though. if england thinks im entitled to vote because i own territory that it thinks should really be theirs, i'd sooneer think they'd press a claim rather than allow me to vote. it's like someone breaking into your shed and living there, and instead of calling the police, you ask him what the family should make for dinner that night. I mean really...

fenwayb · Feb 21, 2012

AllThat4Nothing said:
ok, thanks for the explanation. but seems rather silly though. if england thinks im entitled to vote because i own territory that it thinks should really be theirs, i'd sooneer think they'd press a claim rather than allow me to vote. it's like someone breaking into your shed and living there, and instead of calling the police, you ask him what the family should make for dinner that night. I mean really...

it's not ideal, but at least your vote is comparative to the amount of lands you actually own in their de jure territory, so it's not like he's giving you the same vote he himself holds, or anything even close to that (unless you own a ton of it or something)

AllThat4Nothing · Feb 21, 2012

fenwayb said:
it's not ideal, but at least your vote is comparative to the amount of lands you actually own in their de jure territory, so it's not like he's giving you the same vote he himself holds, or anything even close to that (unless you own a ton of it or something)

agreed and noted. still seems silly to me though.

unmerged(445458) · Feb 21, 2012

AllThat4Nothing said:
ok, thanks for the explanation. but seems rather silly though. if england thinks im entitled to vote because i own territory that it thinks should really be theirs, i'd sooneer think they'd press a claim rather than allow me to vote. it's like someone breaking into your shed and living there, and instead of calling the police, you ask him what the family should make for dinner that night. I mean really...

the medieval era had a really strict notion of squatters rights, ok

Justinian_A · Feb 21, 2012

Yeah. 200 years in and as the King of Sicily, the Byzantine Emperor is still sending me these messages.

nyah · Feb 21, 2012

AllThat4Nothing said:
agreed and noted. still seems silly to me though.

Except that the laws you are asked to vote on will affect the territory you hold in his de-jure kingdom. Historically a landholder in his position would have been required to pay homage (ie get down on one knee and swear loyalty) to a king in whose kingdom he held land, even if he was a king in his own right, or a duke of another kingdom.

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