Continue The War That Never Was mod here

bean1 · Sep 19, 2010

I've started this thread in the hopes that anyone interested would like to continue the mod The War That Never Was, By the user General_Grant. The mod was nearing completion before being scrapped by General_Grant due to lack of interest.

Don't let this mod die! It shall be finished!

NOTE: To avoid confusion, I'd like to add that TWTNW(abbr.) was General_Grant's new version of PTEAP.

UPDATE: we have several people on our mod team already. We need people who know how to mod to join up so if you are interested post here on this thread.

unmerged(63886) · Sep 19, 2010

bean1 said:
I've started this thread in the hopes that anyone interested would like to continue the mod The War That Never Was, By the user General_Grant. The mod was nearing completion before being scrapped by General_Grant due to lack of interest.

I'm not much of a modder(truth is everything I mod breaks!) so I think Ill just sit back and provide ideas, suggestions, etc to the people who know what their doing.

Don't let this mod die! It shall be finished!

Did you recive the work General_Grant did up till he lost interest then? Or you plan to start from scrath with the idea found in the old "The war that never was" thread?

bean1 · Sep 19, 2010

A) I did not receive his work. I pm'd him already. Maybe he can upload it somewhere.

B) Starting from scratch will be a challenge. Why start from day 1 when we have months worth of stuff to continue the mod with?

bean1 · Sep 19, 2010

TeutonburgerW said:
Did you recive the work General_Grant did up till he lost interest then? Or you plan to start from scrath with the idea found in the old "The war that never was" thread?

UPDATE: A) I did not receive the work(his computer died, so most of his mod is gone)

B) with this revelation, I think that we will have to use the code from PTEAP. *sigh*. So yes, starting from scratch is the only way we're gonna make this mod become a reality. Is anyone currently reading this thread with me on this project?

Please make a post answering my question with the simple words yes or no. If we get enough people with a lot of experience in modding then we may be able to make this mod a reality.

I'm assuming full responsibility for the success or failure of this endeavor-I may not know a whole lot about modding but I sure as hell am going to make events, country bios, etc. to help ease this new mod production along.

finally, I want a vote. Do you want to keep much of the concepts from PTEAP and TWTNW(abbreviation I will continue to use from now on) intact or do you all want the mod to take on a new persona, while retaining the same concepts from PTEAP and TWTNW? I'll will take creative authority over this mod, with suggestions from everyone that will be, if by popular demand, will be implemented to appease the fans of PTEAP and the canceled TWTNW.

unmerged(206977) · Sep 19, 2010

bean1 said:
UPDATE: A) I did not receive the work(his computer died, so most of his mod is gone)

B) with this revelation, I think that we will have to use the code from PTEAP. *sigh*. So yes, starting from scratch is the only way we're gonna make this mod become a reality. Is anyone currently reading this thread with me on this project?

Please make a post answering my question with the simple words yes or no. If we get enough people with a lot of experience in modding then we may be able to make this mod a reality.

I'm assuming full responsibility for the success or failure of this endeavor-I may not know a whole lot about modding but I sure as hell am going to make events, country bios, etc. to help ease this new mod production along.

finally, I want a vote. Do you want to keep much of the concepts from PTEAP and TWTNW(abbreviation I will continue to use from now on) intact or do you all want the mod to take on a new persona, while retaining the same concepts from PTEAP and TWTNW? I'll will take creative authority over this mod, with suggestions from everyone that will be, if by popular demand, will be implemented to appease the fans of PTEAP and the canceled TWTNW.

First of all. Is the new version of map (shown in PTEAP thread) safe.

Second. Will we use simple event programing or advanced with so called Diferent each time module. I mean by that a system that is lottering with event for example - Rob want cookie, A specialy designed offmap country would toss if there will happen different ways (events) for player with player choosen answers - in one way those would in mannier "who cares?" and in other way "i am really interested".

COUNT ME IN

About creativnes...
I would like to propose a different situation in China (with Three Kingdoms that posses almost equal power and have strong supporters (for Wei its Germany, for WU its France and for Shu it is UK - an members to their alliances)

And restore the Dalmatian Union from PTEAP instead of Osterreich-Ungarn

bean1 · Sep 19, 2010

"First of all. Is the new version of map (shown in PTEAP thread) safe.
"

I think it should be safe. I don't see what you mean by "safe" though. Do you mean bugs or something?

"About creativnes...
I would like to propose a different situation in China (with Three Kingdoms that posses almost equal power and have strong supporters (for Wei its Germany, for WU its France and for Shu it is UK - an members to their alliances)"

Only time will tell if your suggestion is implemented.

"Second. Will we use simple event programing or advanced with so called Diferent each time module. I mean by that a system that is lottering with event for example - Rob want cookie, A specialy designed offmap country would toss if there will happen different ways (events) for player with player choosen answers - in one way those would in mannier "who cares?" and in other way "i am really interested".
"

I'll be honest with you-I suck at programming! I know a bit of python, but never made a serious attempt at mastering he language(I make a text adventure here and their or a simple program for my own amusement)

I will be happy to get a team of experienced modders(i.e not me) to work on the majority of this mod. However, I'm not useless.

What I could do:

Events. Easy
Leaders and ministers. Easy(but tedious)
Ideas/creative concepts for mod. my strong point(I'm a Alt History nerd, Lol)
Everything else(but gfx design): I can learn

Count me out of map design unless someone could give me an in depth tutorial to figure out just how to give other nations other provinces and stuff.

Now, do you know of anyone who is a great modder who may be interested in this continuation? If so, please direct them to this thread.

Oh, and by the way, We should use the latest version of PTEAP to form the base of this mod. I was planning to build up from what is already there in PTEAP, adding or changing things as the mod develops. I will post a rough time line of the alternate history in the following weeks, building upon it as I go along. Anyone who is interested, feel free to work with me on the time line as I post it in increments-adding or omitting things you think would best be changed(with my permission)

It will be divided in 100 year segments:

for example:

1700's:

[dates here]

1800's

[dates here]

and so on...

I'm going to keep it similar to PTEAP and TWTNW. Will take liberties with storyline though.

MAY GENERAL_GRANTS MOD BE REVIVED, ONE BLOCK OF CODE AT A TIME!

unmerged(206977) · Sep 20, 2010

bean1 said:
"First of all. Is the new version of map (shown in PTEAP thread) safe.
"

I think it should be safe. I don't see what you mean by "safe" though. Do you mean bugs or something?

I mean by that is it saved somewhere that is not dead like GG comp

Only time will tell if your suggestion is implemented.

I'll be honest with you-I suck at programming! I know a bit of python, but never made a serious attempt at mastering he language(I make a text adventure here and their or a simple program for my own amusement)

So do ya know things or two about Algorithms yes? Then it would fairly easy to make events

And to understand mine concept

Count me out of map design unless someone could give me an in depth tutorial to figure out just how to give other nations other provinces and stuff.

By events or at start give them in special national files of scenario.

Now, do you know of anyone who is a great modder who may be interested in this continuation? If so, please direct them to this thread.

Done ;] Czesc chlopaki z ENMod'a !!

Oh, and by the way, We should use the latest version of PTEAP to form the base of this mod. I was planning to build up from what is already there in PTEAP, adding or changing things as the mod develops.

So we need to redone most of minster/leaders/techteams pictures back to monochrome or upgrade all to color coz this looks like ... well ya propably now how it looks like. It would be nice if VAXIMILIAN would help us (we plea Thy Greatness Lord of Vax ruler of Graphics)

It will be divided in 100 year segments:

for example:

1700's:

[dates here]

1800's

[dates here]

and so on...

Do not forget about Poland

I'm going to keep it similar to PTEAP and TWTNW. Will take liberties with storyline though.

I think that we shall change one thing. This WTF or what it was called leaded by USA should be replaced by something more cunning... maybe British Military block or Japanesse Greater Asian Co Prosperity Sphere. That would make great difference to orginal PTEAP. And also the War would star in maybe 5 different ways (for example with mine idea of China - WU have boundary dispute with Imperial China and that leads to war, Russia is going to war with German Block over some incident on Baltic sea, "Traidtional Kaiserreich - Alsace-Lorraine or War" , Dalmatia invades Serbia/or Poland trying to make it another crown of Habsburg Dynasty, A war of Spanish succesion, British and French colonial war breaks in something ackward and so) all with different dates.

MAY GENERAL_GRANTS MOD BE REVIVED, ONE BLOCK OF CODE AT A TIME!

GLORY TO THE DALEK EMPIRE!! :rofl:

bean1 · Sep 20, 2010

I have this so far for the time line:
1700's
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1793-The Girdonists are warned of their impending execution by Marat, who manged to escape trial. All the members of the Girdonists are evacuated from Paris and manage to garner popular support to get rid of the traitorous Jacobin's. The traitor Jean-Nicolas Pache is later killed by Girdonist loyalists in the streets of Paris. Later, most of the Jacobin's are executed, with the rest going underground.

1794-The Girdonists now are the de facto rulers of Revolutionary France, initiating a series of purges on surviving Jacobins or people they see as enemies of the Revolution.

9 November—18 1799-Napoleon Bonaparte makes a bid to take control of France by overthrowing the National Convention. He fails and is later tried and executed for high treason by a committee of Girdonists.

As you can see from the time line, the Girdonists manged to eliminate their rivals, The Jacobin's, and Jean-Nicolas Pache is killed before he can execute the Girdonits, who managed to evacuate Paris in the nick of time. One year later The Girdonists initiate their own version of "The Terror, only aimed at the Jacobins instead.

Napoleon is killed 5 years later in his failed coup, averting the rise of the French Empire. Thus, I got to thinking: What if Revolutionary France never died, and lived on well into 1936, when the mod begins. In between this time, Revolutionary France, much like the Napoleonic Empire, annexes large portions of Europe. by 1936 a large portion of Western Europe is led by socialist puppet leaders of France. Much like in KR, the Central Powers and Entente have to fight against France.

This could lead to some interesting game play. A desperate Great Britain reluctantly allies itself with Germany to form the "Anti Revolutionary Alliance", or finds itself alone, fighting a war with both Germany and France.

Or maybe the USA has a socialist coup succeed. Soon, The USA is an ally of France. The Great Capitalist Purge of '36 in the USA results in a four way power struggle(like Russia in KR) between the exiled US government, Left Wing extremists, Right Wing anti revolutionaries, and the remnants of the US army, still loyal to the right wingers.

Just a suggestion.

Then again, this may deviate way to far from the source material...

bean1 · Sep 20, 2010

major nations in Europe '36:

I think this would be really cool.

Is anyone here willing to sacrifice some of the established history of PTEAP to see "this" Europe in the mod?

here is a synopsis for the situation in Europe:

Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Belgium have all fallen to Revolutionary France, having been taken over in the 1800's. The Netherlands is neutral because the Holy Roman Empire managed to keep it from falling into the hands of the French revolutionaries. Italy, despite receiving aid from various reactionary governments, still fell before the might of the French Revolutionary Army.

Due to the bleak outlook in continental Europe for the surviving monarchies of western Europe, their is talk of a European coalition comprising the central powers and the UK in an effort to keep the socialists at bay. Meanwhile, the current Czar of Russia seeks to carve an empire for himself in Europe, hoping to take advantage of the progressively weakening state of the few remaining monarchies in central Europe...

Dunbar · Sep 20, 2010

I really liked the whole 2nd French Empire survived idea

unmerged(206977) · Sep 20, 2010

Dunbar said:
I really liked the whole 2nd French Empire survived idea

Me too dude, me too.

Napoleon was important part in history thus the World that would be created without him would be far more different as this of KR or PTEAP... With Austria still dominant of HRE yeah... HRE would be still alive! Coz without Napoleon there would no Kaiserum Osterreich, Dutchy of Varsovie and Vienna Congress... Yuk... that would shake foundation of modern world...

Seriously... I think of Europe more like in PTEAP
with French Empire and different politic blocks.

Progressive democratic block - Russia, France, Poland, Republic of Canton (known also as WU) They desire Liberté, égalité, fraternité that democracy provides. Parliamental system is unicameralism in a way that everyone have right to run for place in it

United British Block - UK, Irleand (Yay! Irish have independence from UK yet still have personal Union with House of Windsor - that would happen after British defeat in war aganist USA) South Africa, Empire of India, Australia, New Zeland, Confederation of America, Kingdom of Canada, Kingdom of Shu

They have in mind limited democracy. Parliamental system is bicameralism with upper house (usually house of peers) and lower house

Canada after the British-American war would look like that (Quebec go home ;p)

Imperial Block - Germany, Dalmatia, Italy, Imperial China, Ottoman Empire
They love old regime. Parliamental system is unicameralism with only "upper house" reserved for upper classes and only upper classes have right to vote.

bean1 · Sep 20, 2010

I guess I'll just keep the current timeline for now, and revisions/additions shall come later...

We need a plan. I think we should divide everyone up into "jobs" to perform for the mod. One or two people do events, 1 or 2 do graphic design, 1 or 2 people do AI, etc.

If we do start modding, I have dibs on the events!

As for alliances:

The Imperial Alliance: Germany, Ottoman Empire, and the Austrian Empire(I know, its cliche)

The Entente: France, UK, and Russia(Cliche, I know, I know)

The Greater Asian Co-Prosperity-Japan, Manchuria, and Korea(I think this should replace that silly alliance between the US, and Mexico and Brazil or something)

Reason for this is that because of there being no WWI, the USA would never break out of its isolationist shell to become a dominant superpower. I picture the US as being very isolationist with a very conservative president in office. I think the USA should, however, like in vanilla HOI2 be able to "break out' of its isolationist egg shell, intervening in the alternate WWI.

Also, like in KR, I think the USA should have massive instability. I think we should have a CSA as well to potentially have a Second Civil War with. I have a ton of event ideas for the USA...

unmerged(206977) · Sep 20, 2010

bean1 said:
We need a plan. I think we should divide everyone up into "jobs" to perform for the mod. One or two people do events, 1 or 2 do graphic design, 1 or 2 people do AI, etc.

I think we should at first ask all of those who want to help what they can do.

As for alliances:

I think that mine proposition up there would be better.
And in Entente - there is bad error - France and UK did not have warm relations (UK joined I WW when Germans invaded Belgium not France)

The Greater Asian Co-Prosperity-Japan, Manchuria, and Korea(I think this should replace that silly alliance between the US, and Mexico and Brazil or something)

To much Kaiserreichich as for me, Korea, Manchuria... its not too orginal

In my plan I wanted to create orginal situation in Kitai and thus I have divided China in three parts.
First of all those countries would be more advanced than in other mods, no more weak chinesse warlordstates for me (each about 40/50 IC)
Second - those would be spheres of influences of Empires in China.
Third - that gives great oportunities there - even a posiblity to start world war there.

I see that ya really like KR... so I am willing to accept Stenenbergist Russian influenced Mongolia.

Reason for this is that because of there being no WWI, the USA would never break out of its isolationist shell to become a dominant superpower. I picture the US as being very isolationist with a very conservative president in office. I think the USA should, however, like in vanilla HOI2 be able to "break out' of its isolationist egg shell, intervening in the alternate WWI.

Likes that.

Also, like in KR, I think the USA should have massive instability. I think we should have a CSA as well to potentially have a Second Civil War with. I have a ton of event ideas for the USA...

Ok. But what would push USA into instability...
And about what the war would be?

About "Canada Want back it territories" or "Oregon, Washington, Montana, Idaho,Wyoming,Dakotas, North Columbia (former British Columbia), Saskwachewan, Alaska, Yukon and Manitoba wants co cede from "corrupted" American Union and create it own Federation" ?

bean1 · Sep 21, 2010

I think Quebec should have the option to wage war withe US. Also, the CSA should have to option to wage a second civil war with the USA.

Maybe there could be a Quebec-CSA alliance(oppressed nations unite!) to counter the looming threat of the giant USA? Or the USA decides to finish what they started by attempting to take over Quebec? Maybe a revengeful war with their Southern neighbors?

btw, how do you add provinces to another country(or take them away) that a different country already owns? what files would you mod?

bean1 · Sep 21, 2010

Before I finish this, I would like your opinion on this event. Do you think it should be implemented to the USA's event chain?

######################################
event 1: The '36 presidential election

by: Bean1
######################################

event = {
id = 90801
random = no
country = USA
style = 0

date = { day = 8 month = November = 1936 }

trigger = {
government = democratic
NOT = {
ispuppet = USA
}
}

name = "The '36 presidential election"
desc = "Ever since thre recent surge in Canadian nationalism and the rapid buildup of the CSA's military, keeping the peace has been on the minds

of most American voters for the past few decades. The Great Depression has also played into the American pshyche, which has been especially hard on the

Candian territories.
All of these factors must be taken into account. On the Democrat side is Vice President Joseph Taylor Robinson,
who President Al Smith is confident will win the election. On the Republican side is Hoover, who had previously lost the 1928 election, and is ready to

beat Vice President Robinson at all costs. Although the recent polls conducted in the last few months clearly indicate that most Americans perfer Robinson

over Hoover because Robinson aims to maintain the status quo, many in the Canadian territories want Hoover in office, as he claims that if elected, he will

do everything in his power to unite the whole nation and fix the languishing economy.This is going to be an interesting election."

}

action_a = {
ai_chance = 100
name = "The People have decided. Robinson is the new president!"
# rest of code goes here

unmerged(206977) · Sep 21, 2010

bean1 said:
I think Quebec should have the option to wage war withe US. Also, the CSA should have to option to wage a second civil war with the USA.

Second war over what?

Maybe there could be a CANADA-CSA alliance(oppressed nations unite!) to counter the looming threat of the giant USA? Or the USA decides to finish what they started by attempting to take over CANADA? Maybe a revengeful war with their Southern neighbors?

I Think that Quebec was there only because General_Grant is Quebecois himself. I think that the reason of war would be secession of Western states, unhappy from corruption and militarisation of weak American Congress in New York and rising unrest from unemployment and farmine. An Social Liberal "Praerie Federation"

And please note without I WW there would be no such thing as GREAT DEPRESION.

That would be second American Civic war with intervention of CSA and Canada and thus Britannic League

btw, how do you add provinces to another country(or take them away) that a different country already owns? what files would you mod?

Get a piece of paper. Turn on the game (it is important to have the very same version of map that would be used in mod) press F12 then type "show id" command, next - press F12 again.

In right lower corner of the screen you will see an id of province the cursor is actualy on.

1 Move the cursor (this arrow think) on the province you are interested in
2. Ya will see id of it. Copy it to the piece of paper
3 IF need to copy more provinces redo from 1 point.

Now is the most fantastic thing to do ;]

visit %\scenarios\1936 or PTEAP if you want to mod PTEAP files
You have there a lot of *.inc files.

Find

Code:

nationalprovinces      =
ownedprovinces         = 
controlledprovinces   =

in those parts are
1 Claims and National provinces.
2 Provinces that are owned
3 Provinces controled by state

Next find those province ids ya want to give to someone else ( for example 142 - Helsinki) in inc file that is currently holding it and delete it from 2 and 3 section (and if ya want to remove claim from it delete from 1 to)
Now edit the inc file of country you would add those into and add it to 2,3 and 1 secions.

Have fun ;p

unmerged(206977) · Sep 21, 2010

omG... I have became dictator

BTW
IDea: USA after lost war with CSA is Presidental Dictatorship

Vaximillian · Sep 21, 2010

Vojtechjan said:
omG... I have became dictator

Down with the dictators!

unmerged(206977) · Sep 21, 2010

Vaximillian said:
Down with the dictators!

Vax... ;'-( Et tu Brute contra me?

BEAN. America is up to you (exept Kingdom of Canada). Destory mine idea... they suck on second thought.

Vaximillian · Sep 21, 2010

Vojtechjan said:
Vax... ;'-( Et tu Brute contra me?

Erm... Who else?

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