Lord Blekinge said:will the improvement pack work with vanilla DV?
The improvement pack is meant for vanilla DV
Do you perhaps mean vanilla-CK ? If so, then no. The improvement pack won't work with vanilla-CK
Lord Blekinge said:will the improvement pack work with vanilla DV?
kevster said:I downloaded this mod but when it started it showed the original title screen for DV. Is this correct? My version number is also shown as 2.0 not 2.1; is this right?
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id = { type = 10 id = 281001 }
name = "Giric mac Cináeda"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 688 }
father = { type = 10 id = 6004 }
country = C046
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 991 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1039 month = december day = 31 }
dna = "050502851447097"
attributes = {
martial = 5
diplomacy = 7
intrigue = 4
stewardship = 2
health = 5
fertility = 4
}
traits = {
just = yes
proud = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281002 }
name = "Dub" # forename made up, representing Shakespeare's MacDuff
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 3121 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281001 }
country = C046
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1028 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "05050285000109"
attributes = {
martial = 7
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 3
health = 5
fertility = 4
}
traits = {
knowledged_tactician = yes
intricate_webweaver = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281003 }
name = "Der-Ilei" # name made up, representing Lady MacDuff
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100046 }
country = C046
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1030 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "08000405030105"
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diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 4
health = 5
fertility = 4
}
traits = {
pragmatic = yes
proven_dealbreaker = yes
}
}
character = {
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name = "Causantín"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 3121 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281002 }
mother = { type = 10 id = 281003 }
country = C046
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1060 month = january day = 1 }
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diplomacy = 2
intrigue = 1
stewardship = 4
health = 9
fertility = 7
}
traits = {
just = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281005 }
name = "Gille Míchéil"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 3121 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281002 }
mother = { type = 10 id = 281003 }
country = C046
religion = catholic
culture = irish
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}
traits = {
proud = yes
}
}
Does anyone know btw how to alter the display on the kingdom/duchy/county selection screen. I've always been content in the past not to bother with it, but some people seem to be able to work it. Or do they?
capital = { 0 1 0 3 4 5 6 7 0
Veldmaarschalk said:Start a scenario and immediately save the game while it is still paused.
Then copy the lines that start with this
Code:capital = { 0 1 0 3 4 5 6 7 0
from your save game to your scenario.eug file, replacing the original lines in the .eug file
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id = { type = 10 id = 281006 }
name = "Cainnech" # attested in the early 1100s
gender = male
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country = C041
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1051 month = january day = 0 }
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attributes = {
martial = 6
diplomacy = 3
intrigue = 4
stewardship = 7
health = 7
fertility = 8
}
traits = {
martial_education = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281101 }
name = "Suibne mac Cináeda" # known as King of the Foreign Gaels, patronymic shared with the Scottish king - zone of control likely represents Argyll and/or Ayrshire; a Suibne is in Somerled's genealogy
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100045 }
father = { type = 10 id = 976 }
country = C045
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 970 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1034 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "03122473057811"
attributes = {
martial = 6
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 5
stewardship = 8
health = 3
fertility = 3
}
traits = {
valorous = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281102 }
name = "Solam" # next in Somerled's genealogy
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100045 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281101 }
country = C045
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1000 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1045 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "04122473007811"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 6
stewardship = 4
health = 3
fertility = 3
}
traits = {
arbitrary = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281103 }
name = "Gilla Adamnáin" # next in Somerled's genealogy
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100045 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281102 }
country = C045
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1000 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1045 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "04122402000111"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 4
health = 3
fertility = 3
}
traits = {
just = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281104 }
name = "Gilla Brigte" # next in Somerled's genealogy
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100045 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281103 }
country = C045
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1042 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "04022402040111"
attributes = {
martial = 6
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 5
stewardship = 5
health = 7
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281105 }
name = "Fergus" # historical ruler of Galloway ... theorized that he may be Somerled's brother
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100050 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281104 }
country = C045
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1065 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "04022410030111"
attributes = {
martial = 3
diplomacy = 3
intrigue = 2
stewardship = 2
health = 8
fertility = 8
}
traits = {
}
}
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id = { type = 10 id = 281106 }
name = "Somairle"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100045 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281104 }
country = C045
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1066 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "04022402030111"
attributes = {
martial = 3
diplomacy = 1
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 3
health = 8
fertility = 8
}
traits = {
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281110 }
name = "Owain the Bald" # king of Strathclyde
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100047 }
country = C047
religion = catholic
culture = welsh
birthdate = { year = 1001 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1045 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "08000007095603"
attributes = {
martial = 6
diplomacy = 2
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 4
health = 4
fertility = 3
}
traits = {
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
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name = "Máel Coluim" # son of the King of Strathclyde who was in the Northumbrian army that took control away from Macbeth
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100047 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281110 }
country = C047
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1015 month = january day = 1 }
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diplomacy = 1
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 3
health = 8
fertility = 5
}
traits = {
chaste = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281501 }
name = "Máel Sechnaill mac Máele Ruanaid"# High King of Ireland
gender = male
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country = C010
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 825 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 862 month = november day = 27 }
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diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 7
health = 5
fertility = 5
}
traits = {
energetic = yes
generous = yes
knowledged_tactician = yes
}
}
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name = "Flann Sinna"# High King of Ireland
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 199 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281501 }
country = C010
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 847 month = january day = 1 }
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diplomacy = 7
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stewardship = 4
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}
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energetic = yes
}
}
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name = "Donnchad Donn"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 199 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281501 }
country = C010
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 879 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 944 month = october day = 1 }
dna = "04560285025636"
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diplomacy = 8
intrigue = 4
stewardship = 5
health = 4
fertility = 4
}
traits = {
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}
}
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name = "Domnall Donn"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 199 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281503 }
country = C010
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 919 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 952 month = october day = 1 }
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diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 6
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health = 5
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}
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}
}
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name = "Máel Sechnaill Mór"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 199 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281504 }
country = C010
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 948 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1022 month = september day = 2 }
dna = "04040206025636"
attributes = {
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diplomacy = 2
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 6
health = 5
fertility = 4
}
traits = {
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}
}
character = {
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name = "Gormflaith"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 199 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281502 }
country = c010
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 882 month = january day = 1 }
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diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 6
stewardship = 8
health = 6
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
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}
}
character = {
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name = "Land"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100047 }
country = c004
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 872 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 910 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "08000007005603"
attributes = {
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diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 4
stewardship = 8
health = 3
fertility = 4
}
traits = {
naive_wirepuller = yes
}
}
character = {
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name = "Niall Glúndub"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 691 }
father = { type = 10 id = 944 }
mother = { type = 10 id = 281506 }
country = C004
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 869 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 919 month = november day = 18 }
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attributes = {
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diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 6
stewardship = 4
health = 3
fertility = 3
}
traits = {
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}
}
character = {
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name = "Muirchertach of the Leather Cloaks"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 691 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281511 }
mother = { type = 10 id = 281507 }
country = C004
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 900 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 943 month = february day = 26 }
dna = "03563601076408"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 5
stewardship = 6
health = 3
fertility = 3
}
traits = {
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281513 }
name = "Domnall"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 691 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281512 }
country = C004
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 930 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 980 month = december day = 1 }
dna = "03563601076408"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 5
stewardship = 6
health = 3
fertility = 3
}
traits = {
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
character = {
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name = "Áed"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 691 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281513 }
country = C004
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 960 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1004 month = december day = 1 }
dna = "03563602076408"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 6
stewardship = 5
health = 3
fertility = 3
}
traits = {
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281515 }
name = "Muiredach"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 691 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281513 }
country = C004
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 954 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 977 month = december day = 1 }
dna = "01560202076408"
attributes = {
martial = 3
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 7
health = 3
fertility = 3
}
traits = {
modest = yes
clubfooted = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281516 }
name = "Lochlann"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 691 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281515 }
country = C004
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 975 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1019 month = december day = 1 }
dna = "07050202076408"
attributes = {
martial = 3
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 7
health = 3
fertility = 3
}
traits = {
deceitful = yes
proud = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281517 }
name = "Ardgar"# This follows one of two theories of origin of the mac/ua Lochlainn high kings of Ireland
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 101712 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281516 }
country = C004
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1010 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1065 month = december day = 1 }
dna = "07050202106408"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 7
health = 3
fertility = 5
}
traits = {
deceitful = yes
}
}
character = {
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name = "Domnall"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 101712 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281517 }
country = C004
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1048 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "05050202056402"
attributes = {
martial = 9
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 7
stewardship = 7
health = 9
fertility = 8
}
traits = {
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281519 }
name = "Magnus"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 101712 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281517 }
country = C004
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1052 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "06050202056402"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 6
health = 9
fertility = 8
}
traits = {
proud = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281520 }
name = "Dúnflaith"
gender = female
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 691 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281512 }
country = WEIS
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 942 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 990 month = december day = 1 }
dna = "03560401116408"
attributes = {
martial = 5
diplomacy = 6
intrigue = 9
stewardship = 7
health = 5
fertility = 5
}
traits = {
cruel = yes
flamboyant_schemer = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281521 }
name = "Glúniairn"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 20084 }
father = { type = 10 id = 5790 }
mother = { type = 10 id = 281520 }
country = C049
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 960 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 989 month = december day = 1 }
dna = "01560401066408"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 4
stewardship = 8
health = 6
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281522 }
name = "Gilla Ciaráin"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 20084 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281521 }
country = C049
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 979 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1014 month = april day = 23 }
dna = "01560405060509"
attributes = {
martial = 5
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 4
health = 6
fertility = 7
}
traits = {
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281523 }
name = "Sihtric"
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 20084 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281521 }
country = C049
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 980 month = january day = 1 }
deathdate = { year = 1014 month = april day = 23 }
dna = "01560406060509"
attributes = {
martial = 3
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 3
stewardship = 5
health = 6
fertility = 6
}
traits = {
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281524 }
name = "Gofraid mac Sihtric"# ruler of Man in 1066 under the King of Leinster
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 20084 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281523 }
country = C054
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1004 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "01060406060509"
attributes = {
martial = 4
diplomacy = 4
intrigue = 5
stewardship = 8
health = 3
fertility = 4
}
traits = {
forgiving = yes
generous = yes
indulgent = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281525 }
name = "Fingal"# succeeder as ruler of Man
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 20084 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281524 }
country = C050
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1022 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "07060406060509"
attributes = {
martial = 6
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 8
stewardship = 3
health = 5
fertility = 5
}
traits = {
generous = yes
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281526 }
name = "Mac Congáil"# attested as "King of the Rhinns", an area approximating to later Wigtownshire and probably parts of Carrick
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 20084 }
father = { type = 10 id = 281525 }
country = C049
religion = catholic
culture = irish
birthdate = { year = 1039 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "05060206060009"
attributes = {
martial = 7
diplomacy = 5
intrigue = 6
stewardship = 4
health = 7
fertility = 7
}
traits = {
tough_soldier = yes
}
}
character = {
id = { type = 10 id = 281601 }
name = "Æthelwine" #Bishop of Durham
gender = male
dynasty = { type = 12 id = 100056 }
country = C049
religion = catholic
culture = saxon
birthdate = { year = 1025 month = january day = 1 }
dna = "09050013010405"
attributes = {
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diplomacy = 7
intrigue = 5
stewardship = 7
health = 5
fertility = 4
}
traits = {
modest = yes
scholarly_theologian = yes
}
}
Drachenfire said:Im glad to have you contributing to Scotland Calgacus! What was ever decided on with regard to the Gaelic names list. That is, Irish names list representing both Irish Gaelic and Scottish Gaelic cultral names. Are we rendering them into somewhat 'modern' Scottish Gaelic?
Likewise, we would also want to follow the same precident for Scottish Gaelic surnames (both generic and actual).
irish;female;Áine
irish;female;Áine
irish;female;Éua
irish;female;Éua
irish;female;Órlaith
irish;female;Úna
irish;female;Aíbinn
irish;female;Ada
irish;female;Affraic
irish;female;Affraic
irish;female;Aigneas
irish;female;Aibhilín
irish;female;Ailbhe
irish;female;Ailsa
irish;female;Alis
irish;female;Annábla
irish;female;Bébhinn
irish;female;Bean-Alban
irish;female;Bean-Mhídhe
irish;female;Bean-Mhumhan
irish;female;Bethóc
irish;female;Bethóc
irish;female;Cacht
irish;female;Cairistiona
irish;female;Caisséne
irish;female;Caitilín
irish;female;Catríona
irish;female;Dearbháil
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Calgacus said:Thanks! If jordar is receptive, I can do more, esp. for adding courtiers and fixing the other two scenarios. I would like to know if he is going to take a hard line with his use of the "Scottish" tag ... which while I understand what is being done, is too unhistorical.
No, they're not being rendered in modern forms here ... spellings are early medieval generally. And different orthography is being used for the Gaelic surnames in the game as for the forenames, and there's a mixture of medieval Gaelic, modern Irish and modern Gaelic in the game. I guess this makes it little worse than the Russian names, which mix up BGN/PCGN and LoC systems of transliteration. I.e. Yaropolk but Iziaslav (that is, either Yaropolk and Izyaslav, or Iaropolk and Iziaslav). If jordar gives me the names of the Scottish and Irish dynasties I can find a way of reconciling the spellings.
Since I was adding people from the isles. Where is Gruffydd ap Cynan in the game? I couldn't find him.
Drachenfire said:This is the best compromise until Ulmont gives us more culture tags in his scenario.
Drachenfire said:Gruffydd ap Cynan of the Aberffraw line grew up in exile in Dublin. He is currently in game.
Drachenfire said:I thought the precident was to render first names in the modern spellings? Including surnames... for readability and what not.
Drachenfire said:Anyway, what do you consider a 'hard line', the point of using the Scottish tag was to represent the Anglo-Scottish culture of the second two scenarios. With Gaelic to represent Irish and Scottish Gaelic through out. This is the best compromise until Ulmont gives us more culture tags in his scenario.
jordarkelf said:@Calgalus: thanks a LOT for the info. I'm very open to suggestions (almost all parts of the mod come from contributions by others).
jordarkelf said:Names: Paradox uses modern spellings in most cases, so I guess to be consistent for Scotland I should do the same. As long as this is possible -- as far as I know modern Irish and (Scots) Gaelic are fairly divergent, whereas in earlier parts of the CK timeframe they were not.
In general though the cultures should be as follows:
scottish = "scottish english", or 'Inglis'
irish = "gaelic", both for Ireland and for Scotland
jordarkelf said:Re: Kingdom of the Isles: I actually tried to follow Woolf's genealogy, with two exceptions:
-Godred (Guðred) is known as 'Harald's son', but the records point to Harald's son being one Ivar (also in the geneology you posted). His dates seem very off to me. I can't recall where I read it now, but someone proposed that Ivar had a son Harald, who in turn was Godred's father -- what I have in the game now. The dates fit...
-Domnall/Donald Crovan. Paradox placed him in Scotland with no family connections at all, and I am not sure at all who he is supposed to be! Since I dislike such a thing immensely, I arbitrarily made him into Godred's brother (probably not correct, but...)
As for the rest (correct county/duchy setup, spellings, names etc.), I've no doubt you're right there.
Some of the weird names may simply be because CK-DV vanilla uses a rather weird mixture of english and gaelic names for Scottish nobles, with spellings going everywhere. Whereever possible I changed the names to versions I found on Wikipedia, but I left others as-is and might've made some mistakes.
jordarkelf said:The problem is that I lack a culture tag, so two must be merged. I see a need for five cultures, with four tags.
Vanilla CK has the following culture tags:
saxon: Anglo-Saxon, Old English. Used in the 1066 scenario for non-Norman England
english: Middle English. Used from the 1187 scenario onwards, replaces Saxon, Norman, and Scandinavian by event in England
scottish: "Scottish", used from 1066 onwards in Scotland. Represents a sort of mixture of lowland and highland (gaelic) names I guess. No difference between Gaels and others is made.
irish: Irish (Gaelic), used from 1066 onwards in Ireland
Only english occurs by event, replaces saxon and scandinavian cultures.
Scottish can replace scandinavian cultures by event but exists from the start.
DV changes this to the following:
saxon: also used in the Scottish lowlands that were not gaelic.
scottish: (currently) Scottish 'Inglis' -- the "scottish" flavour of Middle (etc.) English. Used from the 1187 scenario onwards, appears by event in Scotland
irish: (currently) Gaelic, used in both Ireland and Scotland. Does not change by event or anything.
Both english and scottish only appear by event and replace saxon and scandinavian cultures in their separate areas.
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Another possibility that was discussed at the time was the following:
saxon: Old English, as per DVIP
english: Middle English, used in both England and Scottish lowlands by event
scottish: Scots Gaelic, used for the Scots highlands only.
irish: as per CK-DV vanilla
I can't really tell you why I decided on merging the two celtic cultures as apposed to merging english+lowland scottish, but you can probably blame it on my background: I am much more familiar with the difference in naming between Scotland and England (Alexander, Malcolm vs Henry, William) than that between Ireland and Celtic Scotland!
I completely defer the decision to you here, as you're the Scotland expert. It's a matter of deciding what is more important: distinctive names between Gaelic Scotland and Ireland, or distinctive names between germanic Scotland and England. Either case has problems
It's a matter of deciding what is more important: distinctive names between Gaelic Scotland and Ireland, or distinctive names between germanic Scotland and England. Either case has problems
Drachenfire said:We are back at the beginning again.
Two cultures need to be merged to best represent the split here. Using the Irish tag as Gaelic for both Scottish and Irish Gaelic is the best option. Especially as the Scottish names list of the latter two scenarios is and should be much different then the 1066 scenario.
The Scottish tag should be used for the Anglo-Norman influenced Scottish culture in the Battle of Hattin and Hundred Years War Scenario. I do not like using 'lowland' before the Scottish tag.
Until we get more tags, this is the best option. With the current cultures set up for the British isles. I like what we have in place over any other options. Considering that we do not presently have any more culture tags, this is best. Now, I am all in favor of representing all the cultures that we can, even Manx and Cornish, however we do not have the tags for this.