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One thing I have learned playing the Zoroastrians is this, always create only religious holdings, never put a noble in charge of anything only Zoroastrian priests, set church taxes at max and church levies at max and roll. I finally cracked both Caliph's after I cleared up the rest of Persia. and had everything in church hands.

The ability to roll in 100+ gold per month with just Persia and small parts of the north is nice. With no other duke tier nobles to worry about elective monarchy is nice as well.
 

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One thing I have learned playing the Zoroastrians is this, always create only religious holdings, never put a noble in charge of anything only Zoroastrian priests, set church taxes at max and church levies at max and roll. I finally cracked both Caliph's after I cleared up the rest of Persia. and had everything in church hands.

The ability to roll in 100+ gold per month with just Persia and small parts of the north is nice. With no other duke tier nobles to worry about elective monarchy is nice as well.

That may be an effective strategy to roll in cash and avoid rebellions, but many of us would consider that far too gamey/exploitive for our tastes. But, to each his own I suppose.
 
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One thing I have learned playing the Zoroastrians is this, always create only religious holdings, never put a noble in charge of anything only Zoroastrian priests, set church taxes at max and church levies at max and roll. I finally cracked both Caliph's after I cleared up the rest of Persia. and had everything in church hands.

The ability to roll in 100+ gold per month with just Persia and small parts of the north is nice. With no other duke tier nobles to worry about elective monarchy is nice as well.

Wouldn't making mayors give you more gold?
 

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That may be an effective strategy to roll in cash and avoid rebellions, but many of us would consider that far too gamey/exploitive for our tastes. But, to each his own I suppose.

I feel like I should want to land all my family, but since I just rage quit a game where I was constantly fighting wars of succession, I feel more inclined to play a little more gamey. I'm going half coke/half diet coke...not all bishops, but half and half.
 

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It would in theory, but mayors are more uppity than bishops/mobads, and tend to rebel often due to that hefty -30 opinion malus.

I thought vassal priests also have a opinion malus for opinion modifier. If this works though, it could be great. I got Persia and Khiva, but got stuck between super- Hungary and Abbasids. This strategy would definitely help.
 

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One thing I have learned playing the Zoroastrians is this, always create only religious holdings, never put a noble in charge of anything only Zoroastrian priests, set church taxes at max and church levies at max and roll. I finally cracked both Caliph's after I cleared up the rest of Persia. and had everything in church hands.

The ability to roll in 100+ gold per month with just Persia and small parts of the north is nice. With no other duke tier nobles to worry about elective monarchy is nice as well.

So you mean having mobads as duke-like figures?
 

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I just started my campaign and holy wared Khiva. It was pretty straightforward and I won. now I have a ten year truce with them and more importantly the Saffavids south have taken an enormous chunk of land. I don't know how to continue:
- attacking the yagubids would bring me a bigger bad neighbour which I do not wand plus their territory is of no interest to me
- I can't fight any muslim right now since my neighbours are all bigger than me

What can I do?

It's all about timing. Muslim countries are prone to infighting, whenever there is chaos you have an opportunity. Always have some gold for mercenaries in case you are invaded.
 

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Found a way. The Safavids got caught in a war in Egypt because of an alliance to the Caliph and a civil war. I swept in and took the nearest duchy. Then the truce came to an end and I conquered the rest of Khiva (except one province which my vassal took the next month or so). I luckily managed to kill the Saffavid leader and his son is not well liked so they started this huge civil war wre every single vassal revolted (2 or 3 claimant factions) and now I am just picking small fish and adding them to my realm.
 

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It's all about timing. Muslim countries are prone to infighting, whenever there is chaos you have an opportunity. Always have some gold for mercenaries in case you are invaded.

This doesn't always work out with the Abbasids though. I've ragequitted several times because of the Abbasids getting caught up in a civil war, I try to make use of it to nibble at their borders, only to have them end their war almost immediately and suddenly conjuring up 6000 extra units. That kind of sucks :p
 

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This doesn't always work out with the Abbasids though. I've ragequitted several times because of the Abbasids getting caught up in a civil war, I try to make use of it to nibble at their borders, only to have them end their war almost immediately and suddenly conjuring up 6000 extra units. That kind of sucks :p

I wouldn't pick a fight with the Abbasids until you are the Persian Empire. Declare holy war on a non-Abbasid state and if the Abbasids are already busy warring they either won't help defend the state you are warring or they may not be able to help in time. If you are going to lose just white peace while you can and take the small losses; you can't afford to lose many troops because an Abbasid invasion might knock you out before you can gain your strength back.
 

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It would in theory, but mayors are more uppity than bishops/mobads, and tend to rebel often due to that hefty -30 opinion malus.

Additionally, if you use sacred marriage you get a plus 25 rep with mobad's. So thats a 55 point opinion swing.
 

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As Gilan, I had more trouble with the Saffavids, who united Persia and stayed united, than with the Abbasids, who didn't. I got to a point where I could only expand in Persia once every 10 years. On the other hand, starting from the northwestern end of Persia, I was well-positioned to nibble at Abbasid rebels and eventually at the Caliphate itself. Didn't take a single county outside of the Persian empire, so I wouldn't be dragged into wars with the Byzantines or Hungary. The succession from my first duke to his son was a scary time, I was reduced from 5k vassal levies to 500 with only 2500 levies of my own while every neighbor and most of my vassals hated me (I had married a genius courtier and came to the throne with -180 prestige). I had just enough money to hire some mercenaries, so I declared war on an infidel count, whose holdings fortunately surrendered just before his allies arrived on the scene. That war was absurdly expensive for the 1 province gain, but the piety and prestige from the battles and the win at least made my new duke popular. Became Shah of Mesopotamia in 915 or so, Shaoshyant in 933.
 

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One strategy I have yet to try and need to get to:

1. Holy War Alavids day 1, take Tabaristan

2. Holy War Khiva, take Khiva

3. (time?) Holy War Turkestan if possible, then swear to Khiva or...

*gasp*, the Saffarids.

How much power do you need to not get revoked at least if you swore to Saffarids, it might be crazy but maybe you could eat up their realm from within all while adding your strength to theirs to help them fight off the Caliph. It might not work, but who knows? Maybe somebody here has tried it.

Other minor thing: Does everybody prefer taking gold when you marry your sister or the prestige? I guess it depends on if you plan on breaking truces but the opinion from prestige can help, yet money for mercs is absolutely critical.
 

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Or use the ruler designer on the saminid to make your own then revoke your Sunni counts and holy war Turkestan before you give out any titles, you will probably be over demesne but who cares because your only vassals are baron lvl.
 

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This doesn't always work out with the Abbasids though. I've ragequitted several times because of the Abbasids getting caught up in a civil war, I try to make use of it to nibble at their borders, only to have them end their war almost immediately and suddenly conjuring up 6000 extra units. That kind of sucks :p

If you want to nibble against someone rebelling against an empire, you usually need to bring enough men to assault or the rebel will probably whitepeace. If you try and take something from the empire itself, he will drop everything and laserbeam only at you. Doesn't matter if you are taking one county in Sicily against a Basileus who is facing an entire revolting realm. There is a very good chance he will put the cataphracts into the boat and come straight for you, and he won't make peace until he gets the chance to do so.
 

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Or use the ruler designer on the saminid to make your own then revoke your Sunni counts and holy war Turkestan before you give out any titles, you will probably be over demesne but who cares because your only vassals are baron lvl.

For the lazy, or if you don't really feel like the challenge and just want to play as a Zoroastrian, you can just ruler design the Saffarids and steamroll your way to victory.

If you want to nibble against someone rebelling against an empire, you usually need to bring enough men to assault or the rebel will probably whitepeace. If you try and take something from the empire itself, he will drop everything and laserbeam only at you. Doesn't matter if you are taking one county in Sicily against a Basileus who is facing an entire revolting realm. There is a very good chance he will put the cataphracts into the boat and come straight for you, and he won't make peace until he gets the chance to do so.

Understandable actually, I've been attacked during civil wars and I'll generally put the civil war on hold while I beat back the invaders. Although the difference is that my worthless traitor rebelling vassals will never have the decency to white piece before the rebelling outlying regions of the empire are carved off.

The AI is pretty good in this game, I have to say Paradox did a really great job with it.
 

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If you want to nibble against someone rebelling against an empire, you usually need to bring enough men to assault or the rebel will probably whitepeace. If you try and take something from the empire itself, he will drop everything and laserbeam only at you. Doesn't matter if you are taking one county in Sicily against a Basileus who is facing an entire revolting realm. There is a very good chance he will put the cataphracts into the boat and come straight for you, and he won't make peace until he gets the chance to do so.
In my experience, if the rebel is part of a large coalition he is less likely to white peace. If he's the warleader and you go after a big part of his holdings, he may still do so, but a smaller ally is pretty safe. I've had my share of "war becomes obsolete"s but I've also quite frequently sieged down an enemy for the better part of 2 years and still got my prize. In fact, I've found it's much safer to attack a member of a rebel coalition than an independent rules, as the independent ruler frequently calls in powerful allies while the small rebel's allies are generally preoccupied with their other war.
 

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I'm going pretty good with the current strategy in my game (for full disclosure, I'm using the Zoroastrian flavour mod, but it doesn't add anything to the early game that should be factored in much).

I've had a bit of luck on my side, The Abbasids were always too busy with someone else to ever deal with me, except for joining a couple wars where I was the aggressor, which I rushed to a conclusion before their stacks could reach me, one way or another (a few white peace results, but one complete victory before they could make a difference).

I went for a simple divide-and-conquer strategy with my conquering. Like it or not, when you only have about 2-4 duchies worth of territory, owning it all in a huge demesne doesn't count for squat. You don't have enough men to take on more than one of your neighbors at any one time, even with your starting troops. In this situation it's too much trouble to assassinate or tyrant your way to owning all the choice lands. One the first things you should do is get your house in order by marrying off all the women you have (but any that are really good should be kept for concubines), to ensure there are plenty of Zoroastrian nobles for the future. Good traits are just as likely to pop up completely at random as the bad ones. And you can always prune the family trees of your empire every couple generations. Dump all your honorary titles on your vassals if you have to, to get their opinion of you up a bit, as well. Because you're to have to go to war early on.

I attacked Tabaristan. It has two Zoroastrian ruled counties, meaning that those two lords will be very loyal to you once they're yours, giving you the lion's share of their troops. I next went after Khorason, as a war was already going on between the neighboring Muslim nations, and I was able to snatch away the Satrapy before the Abbasid's doomstacks reached me. If they don't push Eastwards too much, then you can make out like a bandit against your neighbors, even with the added risk of their involvement in any Holy Wars. The next bit of territory was Samarkand. It cuts off Khiva from their other Muslim neighbors, and leaves them too weak to be a serious threat ever again. I did much the same to the Saffarids next when I took Hormuz, splitting them in two and leaving Birjand cut off and an easy later conquest after you consolidate your current position.

At this point if the Abbasids haven't turned in your direction you should only be left with a small collection of Muslim states too small individually to be a threat, and too busy trying to eat each other to mount an effective defence. Once you've conquered everything (or close to it) East of Khozistan, all the way to the north shore of the Caspian Sea, you're generally strong enough to take on the Abbasids in a defensive war, smashing up their armies one at a time before they can mass up enough to crush you.

One important detail though, going back to what I said about not bothering with a huge demesne early on, is training your first few generations of heir to be a great military leader. Stewardship can be left to your spouse to in high numbers. They'll usually be a close relative anyway, so if you didn't see that they were properly trained the blame is all yours. I can't tell you the amount of times I've marched my armies to success with a Martial 18+ ruler in control.