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I just thought it would be a good idea to have a thread about your most frustrating games. Not those where you ragequit but where you're stubbornly moving on until you finally fail.

So here is mine: Hungarian ironman game.
On day 0 Bohemia, Poland, Venice, Aragon makes me rival. Venice, Poland, Aragon allied with Austria. Austria gets a heir after a few days. That excludes any expansion to the North or West, because attacking any of my possible targets would mean I have to face at least Poland, Austria and Venice in the same war. Not having any other option, I was forced to ally up with Austria. As a bonus I allied to France as well. I was no other option than to go with the Hunyadi family line and to expand to the South, as usual, occupying Ragusa and Bosnia, keeping Serbia and Wallachia as vassals. I also took Romagna from the Papal State, but I couldn't extend my reign any further because Tuscany occupied Ancona and any attack would mean drawing in Austria, Aragon, Venice, Poland. TO gets destroyed by Poland-Lithuania-Austria, Muscovy considered e too distant to be an ally. Sweet...
In ~1500 my heir dies, most of the non-Hungarian provinces change to protestant, religious turmoil. No matter, still has Austria and France as allies (I managed to reopen any lost alliance when I was forced to join ether of them against the other in war), and my ruler is under 30, he'll produce a heir and I'm gonna avoid the succession war between HAB and FRA.
Or did I?
In the next 20 years 2 comets, nobles want recompensation (3 times in 20 years!), ruler dies. I still thought I can make this work. France won the war, I got PUd under him, it still could work if we stomp Austria. I was building up my provinces, finally converting back heretics. BOOM! France allies with Muscovy who has military access through everyone. Bye-bye independence war!
(Note: Austria was still allied to Venice and Poland, as they were through the whole game)
And the final blow: After being drawn into many idiotic wars by France, there came something I will never understand: Swedish-Danish war, we're drawn in, just before I decide to try to break free. Bohemia is also drawn in. France completely ignores me, Bohemia's stacks get insane bonus, and a demigod leader, so even though they are 2 levels behind me in MIL, they roflstomp everything I could throw at them. They occupy half my country, no army, bankruptcy and finally: my dear overlord presents half of my country to Bohemia, because f*** that's why!

This was the most tedious, irritating game I have ever played! I had no room to expand anywhere, one side the OE, the other the megacoalition of Austria. Stab hit events struck every 5 years... I don't even think I made any gamebreaking mistake, but there was simply no way to make a good step, nor I had the ability to jump into a war I could win by compensating with being the player.

I'm sure you all have some similare experiences. Don't hold them back, rant away! :D
 

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It's funny because my most frustrating EU4 and EU3 games ever were also with Hungary :D

EU3 - due to the way tech system worked here, all these different - religion different - culture nations + awful income caused me to - somehow - become the least developed country not only in Europe but also in Europe + Middle East :D and my Italian wars caused super OP Venetian empire to appear which completely obliterated me in one way.


EU4 - my God, I have never had that big problems with rebels as with Hungary. I made the terrible mistake of annexing 2 - province Serbia and boy it felt like it was 12 provinces, they spawned rebels like every few months/years so I was already furious. Later I released Bulgaria from Ottoman occupation and allied said enlarged Bulgaria, and then I had exactly the same stuff as you - 324325535 negative stability events and civil wars, 5552623 rebellions in this ********* Serbia and suddenly I was in war with half of Italy. Furthermore, I was constantly annoyed by Bulgaria (!) which constantly messed with my diplomacy making me go into idiotic wars + I couldn't even vassalize it, so I broke the alliance. And Bulgaria joined the war against me and man it felt like it was not Bulgaria but Bohemia given the absurd difficulties I had with killing them. Anyway, after 3525255 rebellions, loans, desperate last - army - no - MP wars, my Hungary finally was organized. I had good diplomatic situation, an alliance with strong Poland, everything was cool.

Then Sweden went insane.

By Sweden going insanse I mean: Sweden + Brandenburg suddenly started kicking all asses in the world, from Russia and Lithuania to HRE and England, the war between their little alliance and my grand alliance started, I sent my awesome super general and awesome Hungarian cavalry to fight along awesome Polish army, supported by various HRE countries and vassals,

and I lost my entire army in a single battle. And later I lost all my MP. Half of Poland occupied. My capital occupied. Swedens rampaging in the Balkans.

Okay, white peace. Let's prepare to the second war.

Second war with Sweden ended it taking Polish coastal provinces and my country with 0 army and 0 MP.

And there were next wars, each of them worse.

What have I tried to stop Sweden:

- coalitions
- alliances with Austria (Sweden destroyed them)
- alliances with France (Spain + England + Sweden destroyed them)
- alliances with the entire Europe (everyone dies)
- excommunications
- attacking Swedish army only when I had 2 - 3x more forces (Swedish army always wins)
- scorched earth in my entire country and running away to Balkans (no effect)
- trying to ally Sweden (hostile against me)
- taking 5353 loans and mercenaries (-> bankrupcy, 0 MP, 0 army)


I was so frustrated and exhausted that I just left this game, okay you win Sweden, God is with you, you have won a history, you are awesome. That was too much.
 

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Scotland, 1453 bookmark:

Things got of to an excellent start when I annexed Leinster and inherited control of the Curia from them. I allied Burgundy and France and with England overrun with heretic rebels and War of the Roses pretender rebels, I decided the time was right to strike at England.
The war was a complete washout. Even though I could occupy all of northern England with ease, the English and Portugese doom-fleets were just unstoppable, somehow the AI became a naval tactical genius and was landing armies everywhere.
Portugese troops in Ulster.
Portugese troops in Munster.
Portugese troops in Aryshire.
Portugese troops in the Outer Hebredies.
England's 30+ Carrack fleet destroying everything in its path.
Coupled with borderline retarded French AI that refused to ferry troops across the channel despite controlling it, and Burgundy who hadn't discovered how to make boats yet.

Scottish army stackwiped by Portugese forces
FUUUUUUUUUUUUU-*ragequit, tag-switch to far more interesting looking country*
 
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Playing as the PLC I find myself being unable to conquer anything due to the double combo of Russia to the north and Ottomans to the south. Also, westerization has killed any hope for me to catch up with the Ottos as far as military tech is concerned as they are at mil tech 20 while I am sitting somewhere at 16.

Hungary's almost out of the game as they have been getting steadily conquered by either myself, the Ottomans, and Austria.

Regarding the Ottomans: you gotta love them being able to make 100+ stacks with no attrition at a moment's notice. I guess they don't get force limits or army maintenance.
 

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Muscovy game I played, annexed Novgorod per usual. Sweden broke free and simply would not let up, you'd think I'd @#$#ed on their ancestor's graves. I didn't even do anything to them. I just wanted the St. Petersburg province, since I felt like westernizing to boost it. Things came to war and I simply could not beat their armies, thanks to the stupid as hell pip boost generals, I think they were rocking a 5/6 guy. Ridiculous. I just can't seem to get a good NOV/MUS game.

Every almost Poland game seemed to be barely surviving, if not ending in disastrous collapse. East, west, north, south, everyone would come gunning for me.

Finally! Had a great campaign as them. Elective monarchy gave me a natural PU over Brandenburg, and I got to force one on Austria. Yum.
 

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2 Games with Brandenburg --> Prussia --> Germany where one time the HRE formed insanely huge and with me and France losing to them in the war (I was Germany), and the other time as Prussia when Austria got insanely huge and the Netherlands never revolted. They annexed most of the German states east of the Netherlands too, or actually all, and made it impossible for me to do anything. Yet again they were to powerful for me and France to take on. It seems every time I play Brandenburg I start with Austria as a close friend and end with them becoming so powerful I can't do anything. I'm in my third Branderburg game now as I wanna try to do it and now Austria annexed Hungary via union, and I thought "cool! that made this historically accurate in terms of how Austria became", but boom now they are against me and France hasn't even allied me. Damn Austria. I've basically never had problems with France, it's that darn Austria.
 

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Byzantium ironman game.

This game was insanely frustrating, as allies were pretty much useless and there was never a time there was a huge blob threatening me. Day 1 DOW Bosnia and Wallachia, vassalise them. A few years later, Ottomans and Venice both declare war at the same time, and my navy gets wiped out. Lost my navy and Bosnia, no biggie. Built my army back, got lucky when for some reason Austria decided to give me some of my Greek cores back. Declared war on Ottomans again a few years later, and got back the rest of my Balkan cores. However, just as I removed the threat of one blob, another blob took its place. The Mamluks for some odd reason conquered almost the whole of Anatolia, and made it a pain in the ass to expand there. What's worse was that Austria PU'ed Hungary and Portugal, leaving out any expansion into Europe. What's worse was that my dynasty died out, and the Austrians PU'ed me as well. So it was the 1550s and I was basically enslaved until the 1570s. Luckily, I broke free when they lost enough prestige for some odd reason.

Then by the time I invaded the Mamluks, Russia was blocked by the PLC and the Timurids. When the 1650s came, I had control over most of Anatolia and Egypt, and tried expanding into Europe again. However, by then Europe basically looked like it was the 1900s, with the blobs of Spain, France, the HRE, Austria and the PLC. Nowhere to expand, and no allies due to the AI having the "Too many GP allies" modifier.

The next 120 years of the game was a slew of ridiculously large wars, with France being a useless ally who for some odd reason did not move their stacks when the united HRE was invading them and being blobbed all over. Worst part was that the HRE was expanding like nobody's business while my mediocre Byantine Empire kept getting destroyed by the HRE and coalitions.

tl,dr: Useless allies, huge AI blobs screwing tiny Byzantium over.
 

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Maybe not that frustrating, but still. Played Korea, been doing pretty good. Had Ming in a PU, and conquered all the steppes up till Astrakhan/GH. Had one snagged province in europe, ready to westernize with all the monarch points and stability saved up.
And then comes the pains: Westernization start -> My 27-year old 4-4-4 ruler randomly dies to leave me with a 2-year old heir and 0-1-2 regency. Okay, this can still work - thats what i thought. But the nobles suddenly decided that they need recompensation and that i do not need stability anyway, and a comet made its way through the sky a year later. Not to mention i somehow was getting the -30 legitimacy/-50 prestige westernization events way too often that nearly hindered my westernization due to having to lose westernization points if i do not want to fall into low-legitimacy regency rebel hell.
Well, thats my story :D
 

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Muscovy game I played, annexed Novgorod per usual. Sweden broke free and simply would not let up, you'd think I'd @#$#ed on their ancestor's graves. I didn't even do anything to them. I just wanted the St. Petersburg province, since I felt like westernizing to boost it. Things came to war and I simply could not beat their armies, thanks to the stupid as hell pip boost generals, I think they were rocking a 5/6 guy. Ridiculous. I just can't seem to get a good NOV/MUS game.

Every almost Poland game seemed to be barely surviving, if not ending in disastrous collapse. East, west, north, south, everyone would come gunning for me.

Finally! Had a great campaign as them. Elective monarchy gave me a natural PU over Brandenburg, and I got to force one on Austria. Yum.

Weird, in my game Muscovy, now Russia, is allied with Sweden and I can't really do too much to them now since Sweden kicks my butt militarily :/
 

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As Aragon I wanted to get rid of France quickly. Took several restarts to manage the right balance, where England achieved white peace while my alliance with Austria and Burgundy made France lose vassals and some land.

Then I got peasants' war, which tanked my prestige. King died and I lost Naples as PU. Austria and Burgundy attacked each other, so I had to pick sides. Then Castille steamrolled me.
 

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Golden Horde Ironman game. I'm trying for the Great Khan achievement and I thought I got all the provinces. Then I double-checked the map and realized that I needed to take Kaffa... from the Ottomans. We were both about military tech level 25 but I knew it would be painful because I still had horde units. And the war was indeed painful. To win any battles, I had to outnumber them at least 3 to 1. Ouch...
 

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There have been games in which I lost spectacularly. But the most frustrating would be any game in which I ally with another country and build a small empire alongside their own, have great relations with them from day one, and then the second our borders touch they declare me their rival, break our alliance, snuggle up to France/Austria/Mamluks/Ming and then make a bid for my provinces. That always leaves me annoyed and embittered.
 

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There have been games in which I lost spectacularly. But the most frustrating would be any game in which I ally with another country and build a small empire alongside their own, have great relations with them from day one, and then the second our borders touch they declare me their rival, break our alliance, snuggle up to France/Austria/Mamluks/Ming and then make a bid for my provinces. That always leaves me annoyed and embittered.

Yeah, i really hate the scaling of 'Wants your provinces' malus. It is ridiculous.

Had France break alliance in my Scotland game because we had bordering provinces in the Caribbean and South America.
 

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Probably any game where I manage to form The Netherlands. Sooner or later France wants my provinces and there's nothing I can do about it, worst game was the most recent one where France was the senior in a PU with Austria before 1500.
 

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First game after every expansion or large patch since the rules of the game change significantly. Most frustrating of that was a Byzantine game I was playing in an early patch. Had beat the Ottomans, had broken a PU Muscovy had over me and pushed them back north (I was trying to encircle the Black sea). I was primarily fighting wars with Persia and the Commonwealth at the time. Patch comes out and now you take attrition in enemy territory and you take large amounts of AE and warscore for each province. So I finish a war with Persia and can't take 2 provinces. Then I finish a long drawn out war with the Commonwealth which costs me all my manpower and I can take 3 provinces that are all poor provinces or I can take one of the two provinces I actually wanted. The game was unrewarding at that point and I put it away for multiple patches.

Lately it's been unrewarding on any game where I play as a nation that isn't strong enough to take on the rebels. Revolt risk drives down cash flow, revolt success drives down prestige, low prestige drives down legitimacy leading to numerous stab hit events, and all of those things increase the revolt risk even further. That said, I do feel that the upcoming 1.8 rebel system might shift the burden of "dealing with rebels" from constantly battling them to managing unrest and trying to prevent them before they happen. Won't know for sure until 1.8 is released though.