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Adam Smith and David Ricardo: I am a bit suprised neither of these men have been mentioned; though admittedly I do not know much about their personal lives. Nontheless:

I enjoy living a comfortable life (I am not be able to fathom a life where I could not access internet forum discussions online!). More than that I enjoy having a standard of living that is approximately 1000x greater (materially speaking) than what most of human history has enjoyed. The astronomical increase in wealth, generated by the ideas of specialization of labor and comparative advantage laid the foundation for liberal human rights and advanced technology; to attempt to list everything else would be an exercise in futility.

My apologia for these men certainly does not do them justice. However, I thought someone should at least mention them (where are the economics students?). Also maybe I am confusing 'favourite historical personality' with 'most significant impact'. Though I would certainly want to meet these men who formulated such groundbreaking ideas.

I realize that the above post is not really about a 'favorite personality'. In that case, my favorite historical personality would be Socrates: "I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing." His quest for knowledge is a much more lasting and pertinent achievement to me than forging an empire upon heaps of human bodies.

Which leads me to the point, why is Hitler such a 'favorite'? He was not the first person to exploit fears and certainly not the first to kill millions (though he may have overseen the first systematic extermination of a specific race)? Psychologically, he seems nothing more to me than an obsessive, egotistical politician who found an easy target in the Jewish for a propaganda campaign.

A second favorite personality would be Shakespeare. His insights are acute and meanings so cleverly hidden. A quote for this thread might be, "When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept: Ambition should be made of sterner stuff."
 

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Could you explain why they are your most favourite ones ? That would make your post more interesting to read for people.

Hmm, it is a bit too short yes, I'm sorry:D

Albert Göring: Being the brother of... he saved many Jews during the nazi regime in Germany, but never got the honour for it he deserved.
Paul von Hindenburg: Mostly because of his long and rich career as military officer and politician during the most unstable period of post-Napoleontic Europe.
Fieldmarschal Haig: Because of his tactics during World War I (some historian seems to have referred to him as the most succesful Scot ever, because of all Scots he got most Englishmen killed), and what his career was in the Victorian age.
Wladimir Lenin: Because of the role he played in the early Soviet-Union and the resistance against the tsarist dictatorship before World War I.
Otto von Bismarck: Because of his brilliant Realpolitik
Emperor Charles/Karel/Karl/Carlos V: Because he has been a ruler from the moment he was 15, so how did this influenced his life, while being adolescent he was already responsible for the Netherlands (modern day Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg and French Flandres).

It's not only their deeds which got them into history, but also the psychology of these people. I would love to see the personality of these persons, but for most of them I guess it will be lost forever...:(
 

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Could you explain why they are your most favourite ones ? That would make your post more interesting to read for people.

Sorry, I feel this was aimed at me too.

Rarely do you get truly interesting and gripping historical characters who are generally percieved as good. Most people's most favorite and interesting characters would be Caesar, Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Jefferson, but you rarely get interesting people who are truly democratic.

Ferres defies all Latin American tradition, indeed, almost all of Western tradition, in that he led a revolution, became a dictator saying that he would renege his office, and did. In his time in office, he gave women the vote, gave citizenship to blacks, nationalized the banks, abolished the military, made education universal, set term limits to 8 years and you could not have 2 nonconsecutive terms for a certain date, and instituted an income tax. He took Costa Rica, which had previously had a tradition of democracy, and made it the most participatory country in the Western Hemisphere.

Cicero was one of the greatest orators, lawyers, and statesmen of all time, and particularly his first case was a great example of why he was so awesome--

There is a long standing tradition in Rome to have introductions during a case, which would be responded to by the opposing lawyer (as long as the retort was as long as the introduction) and back and forth. Cicero's first case, a case meant to be lost, was a corruption trial against the governor of Sicily (a notoriously corrupt state), with the man destined to be consul within the month as the governors defence attorney. So the case needed to be finished within a month, but the introductions generally took 5 weeks. So he fixed that by not having an introduction and having the evidence stand on it's own.

He then won, which would be like a student out of law school suing the governor of New Jersey for corruption and winning.
 

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Charles the Martyr.
 

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I'd have to say Sir John A MacDonald, the first Prime Minister of Canada.

He was a visionary, the one who had the idea of a nation stretching from sea to shining sea, by building a transcontinental railroad. And building that railroad was truly a magnificent accomplishment for an infant, unindustrialized nation of 4 million people only a few years old. Not to mention a great statesman who first managed to get the disparate Canadian colonies to unify in the act of Conferedation, and then hold them together; an experiment still somehow barely functioning today.

A Mari Usque Ad Mare.
 

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Got a couple here, really.

Erzherzog Rudolf von Habsburg - mostly I think he's interesting because he was kinda confused, about a lot of stuff really. Crown prince of Austria-Hungary, and had a vaguely liberal bent on the old Josefinist ideas but couldn't quite reconcile that with the rest of his politics. Served in the army and was more or less effective, if not stellar, but that's okay because it was mostly during peacetime anyway. Was married to a woman for whom he probably had feelings that weren't really returned, so he turned to adultery and probably got a VD of some kind, with which he then infected his wife. Then spirals into a destructive relationship with a teenaged minor noblewoman, leading to whatever the hell happened at Mayerling, where he died at age 30. His young death and the fact that he was different than most of the rest of the family promptly led dynastic apologists to label his death the doom of the Dual Monarchy.

Philippos II tes Makedonias - cool name, first of all. Starts off his reign with the entire kingdom in peril, but conducts some nick-of-time army reforms and saves the day. Then he follows it up with a series of centralization slider moves, diplomatic maneuvers, military campaigns, and strategically plotted marriage alliances that leave him prospective partner of Athens in dividing up and ruling the Greek world. Then that arrangement, which was more or less dead on arrival, collapses totally, but he saves his kingdom from the forces of the united Greeks (more or less anyway ;)) by skillful military action once again, turning himself into the hegemon of most of the Greek states. Did I mention the marriage alliances? :cool: Also, I guess you can't beat having a kid, whatsisname, who becomes moderately famous for doing something or other.

Emory Upton - kind of like the contemporaneous Prussian reformers but with the added twist of dying alone, almost totally ignored, in such a fashion that would spawn decades-long internal theoretical debates in the US Army and estrangement of the Army from the civilian populace at large. Which is pretty depressing. Not what I was trying to get across. Anyway, he saw some impressive service during the ACW, highlights including - of course - the storied and innovative assault on the Mule Shoe at Spotsylvania Court House. The regiment he had during 1862 and 1863, the 121st New York Volunteer IR, "Upton's Regulars" or the "Onesters", included an ancestor of mine in their ranks, as well, which is always a pretty neat thing. And pushed for some fairly farsighted reforms, although he also pushed for some other ones that were less appropriate for America than they were for Germany. Anyway, pretty cool guy, eh fetishizes germens and doesnt afraid of anything.

I also am very interested in the second Friedrich of Prussia, Eumenes tes Kardias, Erich von Falkenhayn, Joseph Joffre, Simon Grundel-Helmfelt, and John Quincy Adams.
 

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Louis Antoine Léon de Saint-Just, the Archangel of the Revolution. Ruler of France at 22, executed at 26. Probably one of the best orators ever, refused to say a single word after he realised that his comrades betrayed him. The most pure incarnation of instransigent idealism in the world's history.
 
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The original and greatest cynic (screw Antisthenes). The tales of his life are highly amusing. I don't know why a movie hasn't been made (Actually I do, peeing and <banned subject> in public streets is too low brow :()

A true rebel, yet he had an amazing and steadfast set of morals.
 

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Amongst a number of people I really favour Bismarck.

Grumpy, grudgy, always one step ahead, ironfirsted, elitist but brilliant. He walked the rope between reactionism and revolution, between the great powers of Europe. He pushed Austria, Russia and France aside when it suited him and draw them nearer again. He carved Germany out of solid rock, making it into a state that avoided social unrest by caving into middle class demands on several issues without ever really losing control for the monarchy.

You were pure GOLD Otto!
 

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That's a tough question. I read somebody said Otto von Bismarck. That one scores high points here too. Or Hannibal Barca? Although admittedly there is not much known about his personality, only how he responded to certain events.

Or Napoleon. Ofcourse what he accomplished makes him an interesting character, but when he took the crown from the hands of the pope and crowned himself, that is 10 points in my book! ;-)
 

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Amongst a number of people I really favour Bismarck.

Grumpy, grudgy, always one step ahead, ironfirsted, elitist but brilliant. He walked the rope between reactionism and revolution, between the great powers of Europe. He pushed Austria, Russia and France aside when it suited him and draw them nearer again. He carved Germany out of solid rock, making it into a state that avoided social unrest by caving into middle class demands on several issues without ever really losing control for the monarchy.

You were pure GOLD Otto!

hehe,not to mention how he played the parties out against each others. Btw, he is sig worthy too! ;)
 

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galileo & newton: for their contribution to the way of thinking of human to the nature
darwin: for his scientific explanation for the living beings. such a simple answer for a complex question. a genius.
max planck: the father of quantum theory. he tried to disprove what he discovered for years. finally admitted that he discovered something important :D . and he had a sad life that he buried all his children.
 

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Mustafa Kemal Ataturk: This guy goes from defending a moribund empire (generally well, too) to founding a republic in its place, rebuilding a national identity from scratch and inventing a new written language in pursuit of that interest. He shows that a Near Eastern country could modernize, secularize and open relations in the fashion of the Enlightenment without becoming a running dog to European interests. That he was able to repulse the carving daggers of Anglo-French colonialism from Anatolia after World War One alone is worthy of accolade (look at the effect they've had on the rest of the former Ottoman Empire).