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While playing my first game of Crusader Kings II, I have come across certain people who just seem to want to brutally murder my whole family, who keep coming back for more war in a desperate attempt to stop me. And this thread is dedicated to them. This is a thread where you talk about your greatest rivals, be it a dynasty, a realm or just a single character.

I've had two big rivals so far in my Munster/Ireland game, the first lasted from my first ruler to my third and that was the Duke of Meath and Leinster. It started when I declared war on Kildare and then he does the exact same. After winning, I have to fight him aswell. Then whenever I went to war or faced a rebeliion he would come along and join my enemies' side. I eventually got rid of him.

My second has been a far bigger pain, partially because she is my current characters great aunt and part of my dynasty. It all started when I got on to my secpnd character, who had two daughters. He was quite young so I felt confident he could get a few sons. The very day my reign starts I get an event about how the path to thomond was blocked or something along those lines. Any way three days after my new character's reign an event happens which kills my character, hired by some bishop. Suddenly, under Gavelkind, my demense is split between my two daughters. Luckily I only had one duchy, so the younger stays as my vassal. A few more wars later and i have enough land to create ireland, but not enough piety. So i declare a holy war on a one province count in north africa and beat them. I make some random kinsmen the count and wait until i have enough piety/gold. Then I get a request for independence from the count in africa. Not wanting to go to war over one province that will continue to rebel, I give him his independence. But that gives my sister, who has 3 counties, independence as well. She quickly makes herself the duchess of meath. I declare war on her for some land and win. So for the next fews decades I fight her constantly and agter my duchess dies and gavelkinds sets me back to almost square one, my new Duke conquers some more land (not my aunts) and makes himself king. I go all out and send my aunt running to scotland, where her husband the duke of moray is. I'm happy because my troublesome aunt is gone and proceed to conquer or vassilize the rest of ireland except for two counties. My King dies and a new one comes along. A few weeks after my characters rise to the throne, scotland declares war for the duchy on meath, pressing the claim of my now great aunt. Scotland crushes my armies and she gets her new lands and becomes independent all over again. I quickly take dublin back, not wanting to press my uncles claim on it as he already has the duchy of ulster. And now there she sits, with one county, the only county now not under my kings in all of ireland. The truce is expiring. The moment i get her, she will be executed.
 

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Mine wasn't a specific charatcer, but an entire branch of my family.

I was playing the Crovans, having become king of Ireland, Scotland and Wales and was happily fighting the Saxons. Anyways, around 1180 a Genius ascends the throne, he goes on to father 7 sons, the youngest of whom I married to some duchess in Frisia. 40 or 50 years later when King Genius died, I had a bad series of unlucky events, several bouts of severe diseases had stopped my war efforts, and eradicated a good bunch of of the royal family as well. The eldest son took over, and this is when things started to get ugly. Several of the surviving members of the royal family was suddenly murdered, and i eventually discovered that it was the branch in Frisia that was responsibly, anyways I answered in kind and murdered the ruler & his eldest son, leaving an underage grandson on the throne. Thinking that was that, i let the matter be.
10 years later I realised that was a mistake. The Grandson had grown up and became an elusive shadow with 20 intrigue if i remember correctly. What followed was a series of murders on both sides, ending up with me being completely broke, and the only surviving member of my branch being a 5 year old mentally challenged grandson. (the frisian branch was exterminated, but the ruler responsible on my side died fighting a revolt).

I suffered through 3 generations of bad rulers after this, with England gaining the upper hand once more...
 

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The dukes of Braunschweig. Starting as Altmark in 1066, I tried to wrest the control for Nothern Germany, and those guys threw everything at me. Merceneries on end, levies, allies, probably apples if all else failed. Only when I became emperor I could finally feel safe from them. I made sure murder the last one who hated my guts, then made them Kings of Germany. You know... keep your friends close, etc.
 

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Mine wasn't a specific charatcer, but an entire branch of my family.

I was playing the Crovans, having become king of Ireland, Scotland and Wales and was happily fighting the Saxons. Anyways, around 1180 a Genius ascends the throne, he goes on to father 7 sons, the youngest of whom I married to some duchess in Frisia. 40 or 50 years later when King Genius died, I had a bad series of unlucky events, several bouts of severe diseases had stopped my war efforts, and eradicated a good bunch of of the royal family as well. The eldest son took over, and this is when things started to get ugly. Several of the surviving members of the royal family was suddenly murdered, and i eventually discovered that it was the branch in Frisia that was responsibly, anyways I answered in kind and murdered the ruler & his eldest son, leaving an underage grandson on the throne. Thinking that was that, i let the matter be.
10 years later I realised that was a mistake. The Grandson had grown up and became an elusive shadow with 20 intrigue if i remember correctly. What followed was a series of murders on both sides, ending up with me being completely broke, and the only surviving member of my branch being a 5 year old mentally challenged grandson. (the frisian branch was exterminated, but the ruler responsible on my side died fighting a revolt).

I suffered through 3 generations of bad rulers after this, with England gaining the upper hand once more...

sounds tough, now i'm worried about all the family members i've married off to croatia/spainish christians/french dukes/HRE
 

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Anyone who is the king of France. It don't matter who I am, the king will always find a way to mess up my game, even if I am Ethiopia.
 
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Was quite tough, but I think it was mainly due to them becoming 4th or 5th in line to my throne due to the diseases. I think 4 of the yougner sons of my ruler had children, but all of them died early paving the way for the descendants of the youngest son.
I normally don't experience situations like these, but damn I was worried, the 5 year old could of died at any time, and he was the last living male member of the family.

EDIT: To the above, yeah, the only succesful scene I've ever seen France conduct was one where I was playing Ethiopia, they took Egypt, meaning I was pretty much stuck :p
 

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King of England, whenever i play as Wales, Scotland or Ireland counties/duchys/kingdoms.
 

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Rivals in an Ireland game? Let's see. I started as Ruaidri Ua Cannanain (Rhodri O'Cannon) of Tyrconnell so ...

Forming Ireland - The Dunkelds of Scotland, for attempting to invade Ulster and sometime later inflicting the only outright defeat I've ever suffered - though I'm coming up to the end of my game I still haven't evicted them from their home base in Albany, from where they constantly plot to annoy me.

Forming Brittania - Most of the kingdoms in the world fell by the wayside due to my relentless blobbing, their ruling dynasties either destroyed or inherited and assimilated into my own, so the only persistent thorns in my side are the Saxon dukes of England for originally contesting my claim to the English throne, always forming superdukes, and constantly plotting against me alongside the Dunkelds. I still have a burning hatred for the Hwicces and anyone called Saebert or Pal.

The rest of the world - There are only blobs left in my game, all Empire-level monstrosities. Of all of them, Byzantium is part of my family, and also the weakest and most susceptible to civil war, while the Ilkhanate and the Timurids are too far away for me to care. That leaves that damned, unkillable, uncollapsible HRE blob as my only real rival. Also, the Golden Horde, whose doomstacks I eventually destroyed when they first invaded. In response, they converted to Orthodox, preventing me from Holy Warring them and allowing them to set up an alliance with the HRE.
 

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Usually its my own vassals... Goddammit will you stop trying to murder eachother?

Other than that, I always seem to have to club the capets in the head in all my games.
 

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Countess Sophia of Verdun. She has a huge number of allies and always claims the duchy of Upper Lorraine within days.
 

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The Arpads in Hungary when I play in the Balkans tend to be real assholes most of the times, allying with Naples and Aragon when I play as Serbia (1337 start), owning Croatia when I play Alexios Komnenos and expanding into Wallachia and Moldova when I play Bulgaria.

Them or the Capets in France when I play any country in Iberia.
 

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Mine wasn't a specific charatcer, but an entire branch of my family.

I was playing the Crovans, having become king of Ireland, Scotland and Wales and was happily fighting the Saxons. Anyways, around 1180 a Genius ascends the throne, he goes on to father 7 sons, the youngest of whom I married to some duchess in Frisia. 40 or 50 years later when King Genius died, I had a bad series of unlucky events, several bouts of severe diseases had stopped my war efforts, and eradicated a good bunch of of the royal family as well. The eldest son took over, and this is when things started to get ugly. Several of the surviving members of the royal family was suddenly murdered, and i eventually discovered that it was the branch in Frisia that was responsibly, anyways I answered in kind and murdered the ruler & his eldest son, leaving an underage grandson on the throne. Thinking that was that, i let the matter be.
10 years later I realised that was a mistake. The Grandson had grown up and became an elusive shadow with 20 intrigue if i remember correctly. What followed was a series of murders on both sides, ending up with me being completely broke, and the only surviving member of my branch being a 5 year old mentally challenged grandson. (the frisian branch was exterminated, but the ruler responsible on my side died fighting a revolt).

I suffered through 3 generations of bad rulers after this, with England gaining the upper hand once more...

Were you playing with any mods by any chance? So called "Severe" diseases have never stopped me from being able to wage war, nor kill most my royal family in vanilla CK2. Thanks for sharing your tale :)
 

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My vassal kings of Scandinavia, especially Bagge I of Norway :mad: . He has 5 virtues, a loving family, great relations with everyone, and even with me. As soon as my first Emperor died, however, Bagge started a faction, gathered other characters, and presented me with an ultimatum to press my grandson's claim to the throne (I didn't bother to kill claimants, so there were several :glare: ). That succeeded, partly because my army was still recuperating from the war with the Mongols. I've been trying to reclaim the empire ever since.
 

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I have three stories of achrivals, two playing as Ireland, the other as the Duke of Provence.

So in one of my first serious games of CKII, I started as an irish count (tutorial island and all that), the game started nice and controllable, with me fabricating claims on my neighbours and so forth, until I had managed to do it to around half of Ireland and a small bit of Wales. That was when the Kingdom of Scotland and its Dunkeld overlords decided that they didn't liked the shade of blue in Ulster, and decided to swallow it up.
So I found myself in a predicament. Although Scotland was twice my size and could easily devour me, it decided it was more interested in pushing one of its dukes' claim on the duchy of Connacht instead. I could've let that happen, but I know that after devouring Connacht, I'd surely be the next target. So I started waging a proxy war against the scottish nobility, assassinating a duke every time the scots tried pressing one of their claims to Connacht, eventually having to assassinate the Crown Prince itself. Eventually, through a series of inter-realm marriages and cloak and dagger, I managed to marry one of my daughters matrilinearly to a Scottish prince of low standing, while simultaneously all his brothers suffered from a terrible case of being dead. Fast forward a few years, my current character nearing the end of its life, and my son and heir is the Irish King of Scotland. My victory is assured.
...Except for the vary last moment when one of my kinsmen, of my dynasty, but culturally scottish, murders his way up succession line at a worrying speed, kills my third heir, kills my brilliant second heir, kills my (genius, I might add) heir, and kills me. Thus, in the end, Scotland and Ireland are unified at last... under the banner of a slow scottish moron with zero in both diplomacy and stewardship (also Kinslayer!)

My second tale is of another Ireland game, where this time Scotland didn't intervene in my lands. Instead, I was able to unify the kingdom quite quickly, while also eating up wales quite fast as well. Everything went smoooth as it can be, with me taking advantage of one of England's most violent tantrum spirals ever, with apparently every single duke warring and revolting at once, to stake a claim in the english lands and slow but steadily adding their duchies to the Irish crown. The problem, however, came when I decided that I also wanted Normandy back.
You see, Normandy was once again french territory. So to war against France I went, pouring my vast armies through the Channel to conquer the normans. It was a violent war, with me winning by a hair width and snatching Normandy back from the french fools a second time.
That was when disaster hit.
For you see, I wasn't the only foreign power assaulting the french lands at that time. There's no way the entirety of France would be defeated by merely Ireland and my still-weak english vassals. No. The actual armies of France were busy elsewhere. Specifically, they were locked in the Pyrenees, in bloody battle trying to stop the Godless Almoravids in their invasion of the country. Thanks to my timely intervetion, they lost. The following day after my victory in Normandy, France effectively ceased to exist, with the King of France's entire sovereign territory being Zeeland. Now the Almoravids controlled everything from Mali to Flanders, and it was my fault.
I panicked. This represented a serious risk against Christendom. With the Byzantines looking increasingly more fragile as wave after wave of muslins bashing against Anatolia like a storm weakened their armies, and the Kaizer more interested in playing whack-a-Pole than defending Europe, it fell to me to somehow overturn this catastrophe. With a newly sanctioned Papal Edict, the Irish armies quickly overran Scotland. As I crowned myself Holy Emperor of Britannia, I started a violent blitzkrieg against the godless moors before the french lands would start giving them armies or tax. Using normandy as a springboard for my righteous crusade, duchy after duchy fell to the Red Dragon. At first it was easy, as the Almoravid levies had to cross the Pyreness and all of Hispania to reach me, and by the time they did, I already had occupied the entire duchy, and could press for peace. However, the further down I got, the harder the fighting was, and as resistance stiffened I steadily managed to drag the Almoravids down, kicking and screaming, from the appex of their dynasty, having conquered France and Aquitaine, to the bitter end of having Britannian troops landing in their so far untouched Mauretania. And as the bloodied crown of the heathen king of the moors was smashed under Britannian hammer, the name vi Rozarria became a terrible curse in their language.

The third and final tale, this time in Burgundy, is a tad more personal. I was aiming to, starting as Duke of Provence, conquer the entirety of Burgundy and spread the De Jure territory of my small kingdom as far as I could. The problem, however, was that the Duchy of Upper Burgundy, without which I couldn't form my kingdom (I think) was under the banner of the Duke of Verona. Thinking to use diplomacy to solve this ordeal, I put a member of my dynasty in the throne of Verona, thinking that I'd be able to assassinate him and make the holdings (and Upper Burgundy) mine.
Turns out he was part of a completely separate branch of my dynasty, no inheritance at all would come to me, and he hated my guts.
So to battle we went, and as I conquered Upper Burgundy and created Burgundy Proper, so he conquered the surrounding duchies and created the Kingdom of Illyria. The next few decades were nothing but a cold war being waged between me and my kinsmen of Illyria for the control of Northern Italy, of which I had the upper hand. As I grew and became the most powerful subject of the Kaizer, so did he. And that's when a curious thing happened. Due to inheritance shenanigans and a forgotten marriage I did decades ago between a minor russian noble and a cousin of mine, the Kingdom of Illyria inherited all of Rus, which basically doubled the size of the Empire.
And as the time passed and the game went our two branches of the family kept hating and cursing one another, me growing powerful to break away from the Empire with ease, unifying all of the mediterranean coast west of Italy under the banner of Burgundy, creating a New Rome under once puny Provence, and him staying fiercely loyal to the Kaizer who now ruled from Russia (all their german dominions being broken and given independence with my assistance), crushing all dissent and never revolting, even once.
It was probably the most fun game I ever played.
 

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My biggest enemy is myself, or rather the limitations of memory and attention span when strategising for the future, or the either gamey inclinations or purist compunctions that battle for control. Recently, I've been taking things somewhat seriously and simply felt bad about taking over a country with matri-marriage while its indigenous dynasty is still very much alive in the male line. This type of thing. Don't really like imposing myself with my culture on far-off kingdoms, either.

However, in my recent game, it seems that all my all matrilineally married women are childless, matrilineal fiancés and regular fiancées in line to duchies die before coming of age (or shortly after the wedding or produce no children from age 16 to past child-bearing age), current rulers die fast so that my intendeds rise higher in the line of succession and no longer want my marriages, or my own co-dynasts aren't particularly recognised as eligible. I've had like 100 years of this, and it's been a nightmare to endure. My dynasty keeps shrinking to near-extinction despite my best efforts (nobody was ever assassinated by the way, all natural deaths and illness, plenty of diseases).
 

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My biggest rival, out of my latest game on the Total balance mod as The Somali Kingdom, then into Abysinnia game has been the kingdom of Nubia.

The current Queen of Nubia relentlessly pushes one of her vassals claims on the duchy of Gondar over and over again every single time I go to war with another African or arab nation, or if someone rebels. Every damn time she does I have to drag out my war twice as long by white peaceing my current target and then going after her technologically superior, and larger, army. (Yep, that's right, The Nubians are actually superior to me technologically wise, I'm bottom of the barrel :( ) She's attacked me about 4 times now for this same county with the exact same weak claim from some no-name courtier, and I've had to white peace out everytime since she won't give up until I capture every last one of her counties. (FYI It's alot harder to conquer Ethiopia in the mod since there are about twice as many counties) This has been going on for 2 or 3 characters now, the woman is in her 80's and still isn't dead. Interesting rivalry, nonetheless.