"You won't need to sieged down that last province to make a peace deal"

[Ritmas]

Cool story, Parabro.

I'd suggest to change this modifier that being sieged not fully sieged is enough. Atm, this is one of the main problems with cluterfuck that is happening. Wars going on, that should be long over.

There was one game where Milan alone attacked Genoa which as allied with Castile, some other Italians and/or protected by Austria(another bug? that AI ignores ally strength). The war went on for 5+year till they AI stopped derping around and occupied the fort, where on each Milan's province was 20k+ enemy stacks, sometimes leaving the province to be retaken by ZoC(affraid of the attrition maybe) making WS jump back and forth. They did this, simply because they couldn't force Milan to give back Venice's core.

 

[Falc]

The thing is, you didn't siege down a single fort in that war. I have no problems with that -1000 modifier.

You could have sieged down just the fort and that would have probably given you 50% warscore or something.


As for the AI grasping the new subtleties, I hope it'll get improved soon.There's a few too many crashes happening anyway, I expect a hotfix before the end of the week.

 

[Ritmas]

The thing is even if I peaced out or fully occupied his ally lands, East Frisia wouldn't negotiate for mear 8WS peacedeal. If I didn't have enough man to siege it and while 2/3 of their country is occupied and rotting in hell with 20WE they wouldn't accept the goddamn meager deal.

 

[doktorstick]

Yeah, the AI can't grasp the new forts now. It seems they all dogpile on a fort trying to get past it and burn 5% attrition with a 40K stack until it falls.

 

[Avalanchemike]

You're going to have enough men to siege, the changes to FL guarantee that. You don't control his capital which is heavily defended. I'm not sure what the problem is. I mean, maybe if they don't have an army and you're sieging out the final fort it should only be -100 instead of -1k but I don't think it's a serious issue?

 

[Ritmas]

You're going to have enough men to siege, the changes to FL guarantee that. You don't control his capital which is heavily defended. I'm not sure what the problem is. I mean, maybe if they don't have an army and you're sieging out the final fort it should only be -100 instead of -1k but I don't think it's a serious issue?

It is, it delays a 8WS peacedeal for ~3-5years and you literally can do nothing about it, unless rng god blesses you with a breach. It fucks up both parties, the attacker and the defender.

 

[josh127]

You're going to have enough men to siege, the changes to FL guarantee that. You don't control his capital which is heavily defended. I'm not sure what the problem is. I mean, maybe if they don't have an army and you're sieging out the final fort it should only be -100 instead of -1k but I don't think it's a serious issue?

Actually with Granada I had to go over force limit to occupy Lisboa and Toledo. Money was tight but I pulled the war off.

Of course if there's one thing wrong with the screenshot, I wish Paradox would define what a "fort in the area" means in this regard. After peace with Portugal for a pittance to get their armies out of the war I wanted to take Cadiz which apparently was in the area of Toledo (closest fort). That was 3 provinces away.

 

[ringhloth]

War is centered around provinces with forts in them. Until you take one, don't expect to get much, unless the province you want is very, very far from a fort. Just adjust to it.

 

[josh127]

War is centered around provinces with forts in them. Until you take one, don't expect to get much, unless the province you want is very, very far from a fort. Just adjust to it.

Not providing a definition of what "in the area" means though is rather annoying. You plan out wars and have objectives in them if you're going to do anything worth a dime. Yes, you have to adjust to a new game style, but stating what "in the area" means wouldn't be that difficult, would it?

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

I think it just means that if you want to take a province, you need to capture a fort bordering it or in it, if there is one?

 

[codeGnave]

In the area is very vague. The teutons anexed pomerania and there were no forts along all of the former pomerania. They wouldnt accept peace till at least one of their forts was occupied, even though it was at least 4 provinces away.
That is fine, but "in the area" implies only a few provinces away imo.

Although i cant really think of a better way to word it.

 

[s1234567890m]

Vaguely I recall the devs mentioning the areas of the region mapmode being involved with the 'in the area' modifier.

 

[ringhloth]

Not providing a definition of what "in the area" means though is rather annoying. You plan out wars and have objectives in them if you're going to do anything worth a dime. Yes, you have to adjust to a new game style, but stating what "in the area" means wouldn't be that difficult, would it?

I'd like an indication, too, but I can't think of a good way to communicate that in game.

Maybe we can figure this out. How many people have seen this modifier not apply? With 1444 borders, I managed to take Crete without taking any forts at all (as the Mamelukes, for full disclosure, though I doubt that matters).

 

[josh127]

I'd like an indication, too, but I can't think of a good way to communicate that in game.

Maybe we can figure this out. How many people have seen this modifier not apply? With 1444 borders, I managed to take Crete without taking any forts at all (as the Mamelukes, for full disclosure, though I doubt that matters).

Sea seems to be one divider. Pre-release Wiz had mentioned something about not being able to take land in England without holding a fort on the island, so grabbing Normandy and demanding Cornwall was out of the question. After that we'll probably need to experiment more. I'll try to pay more attention to it if I am sieging a large area. Maybe I can find the border of what I can and cannot take.

 

[ringhloth]

Sea seems to be one divider. Pre-release Wiz had mentioned something about not being able to take land in England without holding a fort on the island, so grabbing Normandy and demanding Cornwall was out of the question. After that we'll probably need to experiment more. I'll try to pay more attention to it if I am sieging a large area. Maybe I can find the border of what I can and cannot take.

I think so too. I can take Crete and Istria from 1444 Venice with no forts taken, but nothing else. Also, it seems that you can take vassal's provinces with no limits on forts, as I could annex Corfu if I wanted.

 

[josh127]

I think so too. I can take Crete and Istria from 1444 Venice with no forts taken, but nothing else. Also, it seems that you can take vassal's provinces with no limits on forts, as I could annex Corfu if I wanted.

Alright, just gave up on it using any reasonable logic.

Started as Ming and deleted all forts except the one in their capital. Then I tag switched to Dai Viet and declared occupying one province:

And here's the result:

I would love to hear the justification for "no forts occupied in the area" while the nearest fort to occupy is half a continent away.

 

[josh127]

Messed with it a little more and it seems to be any fort anywhere on a contiguous land mass counts as "in the area". If for example I start as Ottomans, sell Biga to Karaman, delete the forts in Anatolia, then tag switch to someone and declare I still get the -1000 in Greece, but not Anatolia.

 

[cijik]

"In the area" most likely means "in the smallest region this province belongs to" which you can check out through the region mapmode

 

[ringhloth]

"In the area" most likely means "in the smallest region this province belongs to" which you can check out through the region mapmode

It doesn't, though.

 

[Slayen]

"In the area" most likely means "in the smallest region this province belongs to" which you can check out through the region mapmode

As the above posts show, that is sadly not the case. I did similar tests using Russia and Qing and got similar results. The default fort level of St. Petersburg prevented me from taking a province in the arse end of Siberia.