You shouldn't be able to disinherit newborns

[BaronNoir]

As someone pointed out, it's indeed absurd that newborn even have stats (maybe some extreme cases like Charles II of Spain, but his disabilities have been exagerrated)

The concept that a Western European monarch would throw away a male heir is ridiculous beyond belief (even monarchs that were, shall we say, very....energetic...like Henri IV or Louis XIV had one or two sons reaching adulthood)

 

[MachopPower69]

Monarchies are already boring as hell, and now you want to make them the weakest too?

Maybe nerf the Tax meta reform, it is too strong for monarchies /s

 

[YellowPress]

I agree. The entire disinheriting system is pay2win (because it's only available with DLC) and it nerfs republics and theocracies.
Besides, you shouldn't even be able to see stats of newborns.

How? Theocracies dont lose stab, republics can change every 4 years. Disinherit costs 50 prestige, and its not pay2win when you could just save scum
I wish the devs took a leaf out meiou's book and made gov reforms more than just modifiers to stack so you could have agnatic cognatic, agnatic, primo, gavelkind, and ottoman/mughal style
It boggles the mind how late we are into eu4's development where few key succession moments are accurately presented in game (although collapse of marahaja being finally present is much appreciated)

 

[YellowPress]

I gotta disagree with your premise here, in my opinion monarch stats having such a big impact on strength reflects the huge impact both competent and incompetent rules historically had on states and can challenge and constrain players in a way that doesn't scale down with how hard they blob. Yeah the RNG can make some especially hard starts a pain, but when you're starting behind the 8-ball it's supposed to be hard. If anything, all the mechanics we have to gain monarch points that have been expanded since the game's release have made monarch stats matter too little.

Where EU4 falls short is by failing to accurately depict the tradeoffs and mitigation strategies states employed around absolutist monarchial rule in this era. You should be able to choose whether to go down the high risk high reward route of centralizing power in the hands of a single individual at the risk of having to deal with your own Louis XVI or Charles II, or of building up institutions that distribute state power more decentralizedly at the cost of having to deal with the competing interests of whatever bureaucratic, noble, priestly, democratic, etc... interests it's been handed off to.

Hey dont besmirch Charles II's good name, the issue was that for once the english gentry and nobility didn't want to fight a war with upstart scots, as well as the gentry growing too powerful causing such radical goverment to appear rather than just limit the powers as the fronde in france wanted, or the constitutionalists of the hre wanted

 

[arosenberger14]

Hey dont besmirch Charles II's good name, the issue was that for once the english gentry and nobility didn't want to fight a war with upstart scots, as well as the gentry growing too powerful causing such radical goverment to appear rather than just limit the powers as the fronde in france wanted, or the constitutionalists of the hre wanted

Was referring to this Charles II:

 

[Ferdinand_Bardamu]

I really dislike this idea.

The game becomes more RNG than it already is. You could legitimately get stuck with 0/0/0, 0/2/1 and 2/0/1 rulers in a row which would break your game.

Disinherit is there to combat the harsh RNG of the Mana system. If the game were less Mana dependent or Mana was less RNG I would be fine with it, but in the current system I think this is a terrible idea.

 

[MachopPower69]

I really dislike this idea.

The game becomes more RNG than it already is. You could legitimately get stuck with 0/0/0, 0/2/1 and 2/0/1 rulers in a row which would break your game.

Disinherit is there to combat the harsh RNG of the Mana system. If the game were less Mana dependent or Mana was less RNG I would be fine with it, but in the current system I think this is a terrible idea.

Yeah I was stuck with two rulers who lasted 70 years each and my Mughal empire was 3 levels behind and I gave up on my game because the Mamluks invaded me. Only my mil level was low, not my diplo or my admin. Just my mil. And my focus was set on mil since 1444 too. And most of the events were anti-mil power.

 

[YellowPress]

Yeah I was stuck with two rulers who lasted 70 years each and my Mughal empire was 3 levels behind and I gave up on my game because the Mamluks invaded me. Only my mil level was low, not my diplo or my admin. Just my mil. And my focus was set on mil since 1444 too. And most of the events were anti-mil power.

As mughals you should be able to afford advisors if invading mamlukes

Was referring to this Charles II:

Oh fairs, just Louis xvi and Charles ii's revolutions are oft compared

 

[MachopPower69]

As mughals you should be able to afford advisors if invading mamlukes

Oh fairs, just Louis xvi and Charles ii's revolutions are oft compared

That was the problem, my economy was somehow bad even when half my country was in the trade companies (Persian Company) while the rest were vassals, gold and in India but the best I could get was 5 ducats per month with 60 lfl out of 130 lfl.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

That was the problem, my economy was somehow bad even when half my country was in the trade companies (Persian Company) while the rest were vassals, gold and in India but the best I could get was 5 ducats per month with 60 lfl out of 130 lfl.

In a situation like that, share details of your economy screen with us and we can help find out why that's happening.

 

[bokorthedust]

That was the problem, my economy was somehow bad even when half my country was in the trade companies (Persian Company) while the rest were vassals, gold and in India but the best I could get was 5 ducats per month with 60 lfl out of 130 lfl.

I guess you TC-ed the Persia node but didn't control anything downstream, while your Indian trade also went in there, so all the value has flown out, leaving you with negligible trade income. TCs are strong, yes, but if this was the case you probably had half your country at 90% autonomy but gained nothing from it, no wonder you had 5 ducats per months. You shouldn't TC something just because you can, you need to do it at an opportune moment, otherwise you just screw yourself.

 

[AKLEONI]

we need more monarch/heir stats change events, to reflect how the heirs improve through tutoring and adult get better worse as a ruler when they age.

it seems strange that a republic leader gets better every election but a monarch becomes static

 

[MachopPower69]

I guess you TC-ed the Persia node but didn't control anything downstream, while your Indian trade also went in there, so all the value has flown out, leaving you with negligible trade income. TCs are strong, yes, but if this was the case you probably had half your country at 90% autonomy but gained nothing from it, no wonder you had 5 ducats per months. You shouldn't TC something just because you can, you need to do it at an opportune moment, otherwise you just screw yourself.

Well I probably forgot that I didn't TC, mainly because I'm lazy, but I tried it once in a save and it did little to change it.

I can provide my recent autosave if it is alright.

 

[bokorthedust]

I can provide my recent autosave if it is alright.

Sure, I can take a look at it to see what's going on, if you want me to.

 

[MachopPower69]

Sure, I can take a look at it to see what's going on, if you want me to.

Maybe not in this thread, I don't want it going off-topic.

 

[arosenberger14]

we need more monarch/heir stats change events, to reflect how the heirs improve through tutoring and adult get better worse as a ruler when they age.

it seems strange that a republic leader gets better every election but a monarch becomes static

Slightly off topic, but I'd also like to see generals and advisors re-worked so that, unless you've invested in some sort of training institutions, they start out with unknown skills/competencies until they actually get used, at which point their innate traits are gradually revealed and develop. Would be much more interesting than just spamming recruit until you get one with good stats.

 

[YellowPress]

Slightly off topic, but I'd also like to see generals and advisors re-worked so that, unless you've invested in some sort of training institutions, they start out with unknown skills/competencies until they actually get used, at which point their innate traits are gradually revealed and develop. Would be much more interesting than just spamming recruit until you get one with good stats.

So like imperator?

 

[AKLEONI]

Slightly off topic, but I'd also like to see generals and advisors re-worked so that, unless you've invested in some sort of training institutions, they start out with unknown skills/competencies until they actually get used, at which point their innate traits are gradually revealed and develop. Would be much more interesting than just spamming recruit until you get one with good stats.

with leaders makes more sense to know their stats at the beginnig, because they are supposed to have had a military career before they became generals, but i agree that there should be more ways to upgrade them than just drilling

 

[BaronNoir]

with leaders makes more sense to know their stats at the beginnig, because they are supposed to have had a military career before they became generals, but i agree that there should be more ways to upgrade them than just drilling

An historical way would be to have the leader learn the ropes of his trade ''sur le tas'', that is less by ''drilling'' than be fighting battles and conducting siege (therefore, conceptually, that ''land tradition'' (cumulated military experience) produce people skilled in war does make sense, a lot more in any case than 17th or 18th century drilling...

Instantly they fettered him, and carried him away to the regiment. There he was made to wheel about to the right, and to the left, to draw his rammer, to return his rammer, to present, to fire, to march, and they gave him thirty blows with a cudgel. The next day he did his exercise a little less badly, and he received but twenty blows. The day following they gave him only ten, and he was regarded by his comrades as a prodigy.

(At least in French, drill, while making perfect sense for the time period, is a long shot from modern military exercices. The modern definition of drill (give or less, parading) is a quite logical way to prepare troops for battle, but how it prepare their commanders ?)

 

[LordPavel]

A ''problem'' with the disinherit mechanic is you disinherit for what ?
A king can say : Ok, my son is 5 yo and he is not ready to rule. So, right now, my 16 yo charismatic nephew is my heir. Or my 30 yo brother, a capable soldier. Or my second son, a 3 yo, because he is maybe not ready to rule too, but at least, he is not a trisomic (as far as we know) like his brother.
Also, saying : This one will not be a king dont means he need to die.

Right now, it is lotery ticket. And more far you take someone low in the list, the worse the legetimy will be.