You call that a Holy Roman Empire

[Belegurt]

By contrast I think the new HRE is perfect. The empire game is so much fun... it's almost sad when the seventh reform passes and it's over.

The only problem is that now there's no reason to play anyone but the HRE.

don't get me wrong, i love the ideas they had, the only problem is the way they implemented them... it's too easy and stupid to see the hre unified in 50 or even 20 years... i call myself lucky that in my holland game by 1510 and they still have only the last reform to do (yep, i didn't want to become emperor, i wanted to be a nice colonising power)... and only 'cause i did my best to stop them as long as i was able to...

 

[Internetnubje]

This is a Holy Roman Empire

That's a little Holy Roman Empire. This one tops it:



And it has some colonies!


And I'm sure mine isn't even the biggest :rofl:

 

[unmerged(44174)]

I've only played the demo version as Austria, and I felt it was to easy to get stuff passed. I think that they should change it so that the first one takes 30 imperial points and the last takes 100. So that minor reforms aren't too difficult, but the more consoldated the HRE becomes the harder it is to progress.

 

[sir q]

That's a little Holy Roman Empire. This one tops it:



And it has some colonies!


And I'm sure mine isn't even the biggest :rofl:

psh give this game until 1722 and we'll be talking continents

 

[unmerged(122999)]

By contrast I think the new HRE is perfect. The empire game is so much fun... it's almost sad when the seventh reform passes and it's over.

The only problem is that now there's no reason to play anyone but the HRE.

Not everyone plays the easiest nation possible. Sometimes the whole point is to play something hard and have fun in the process. This is my game as Hainaut, about 10 years after dismantling the HRE:

 

[Riddermark]

Wow.. almost 1:1 with this:
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2951/850hc4.jpg

Lotharingia all the way

 

[unmerged(122999)]

Wow.. almost 1:1 with this:
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2951/850hc4.jpg

Lotharingia all the way

That was part of the inspiration behind my choice of provinces. That, and I wanted to play a dutch-like colonization game. I see myself slowly drifting towards focusing almost too much on RP .

 

[luitzen]

don't get me wrong, i love the ideas they had, the only problem is the way they implemented them... it's too easy and stupid to see the hre unified in 50 or even 20 years... i call myself lucky that in my holland game by 1510 and they still have only the last reform to do (yep, i didn't want to become emperor, i wanted to be a nice colonising power)... and only 'cause i did my best to stop them as long as i was able to...

In my Frisia game there was only one reform passed in 1550 while I voted in favour of every attempt to reform.

 

[twinxor]

It'd be cool to see some possible rollbacks of more authoritarian reforms, and maybe some more liberalizing choices too - events like the Peace of Augsburg and the Peace of Westphalia were treaties a lot like the Imperial reforms in-game, except they encouraged more tolerance between states, rather than increasing centralization.

 

[unmerged(106498)]

Why would an elector vote against a reform if they would believe that forming the HRE would improve their situation? It's the same for the EU, while it's disadvantageous for any power outside the EU, major powers in the EU would still vote in favour of reforms that would improve their situation, even when they would have to give away some of their sovereignty.

And of course we all know midevil peasants from across Europe thought just like neo-european youth of today. :rofl:

Seriously, Kings know it means a great loss of personal liberty for them, and they are the ones making the decisions and telling the uneducated masses what to think about those evil guys across the border. Europe ALWAYS fought with itself, until outside forces forced them to be peaceful and economics basically required them to form an economic union. Just think of all the crap that went on between Italian city-states durring this period! Never mind larger countries.

Almost never in Human history does our race ever do something just because it's logical. It almost always takes an irresistable force pushing us towards progress. The Roman empire didn't come to be because the Romans told everyone how great it would be to cooperate. They beat everyone into submission, and when their army started to fail people could have decided it was better to remain an empire, but no. Self interest and petty disputes overruled logic, and Europe was plunged into chaos and war.

This continued until finally WW II saw virtually all of Europe broken economically and militarily, and the outside military presence of the US and USSR enforced peace. With large economic rivals, it's now good for Europe to stick together, but if there is no rival, no outside force to unite against, Europe will fracture again. I'd bet the US would fracture as well without a powerblock to view as a rival. Oh wait... civil war, already happened once. With no outside force to rally against, internal feuds run amok.

 

[Checco]

To make it more challenging, I tried to form it with Bavaria (no Austria/Bohemia) and without releasing nations towards the end.

I made it in 1511, when Religious Unity insanely speeded up the authority, but I think the last reforms are good new features.

What I cannot understand is why, when I'm playing a nation outside HRE and trying to join, the Emperor always reject me, even with 200 relations, alliance, etc. and I lose one valuable Magistrate !

How many experienced the last of the things I wrote?

 

[Checco]

And of course we all know midevil peasants from across Europe thought just like neo-european youth of today. :rofl:

Seriously, Kings know it means a great loss of personal liberty for them, and they are the ones making the decisions and telling the uneducated masses what to think about those evil guys across the border. Europe ALWAYS fought with itself, until outside forces forced them to be peaceful and economics basically required them to form an economic union. Just think of all the crap that went on between Italian city-states durring this period! Never mind larger countries.

Almost never in Human history does our race ever do something just because it's logical. It almost always takes an irresistable force pushing us towards progress. The Roman empire didn't come to be because the Romans told everyone how great it would be to cooperate. They beat everyone into submission, and when their army started to fail people could have decided it was better to remain an empire, but no. Self interest and petty disputes overruled logic, and Europe was plunged into chaos and war.

This continued until finally WW II saw virtually all of Europe broken economically and militarily, and the outside military presence of the US and USSR enforced peace. With large economic rivals, it's now good for Europe to stick together, but if there is no rival, no outside force to unite against, Europe will fracture again. I'd bet the US would fracture as well without a powerblock to view as a rival. Oh wait... civil war, already happened once. With no outside force to rally against, internal feuds run amok.

Your opinions on history and politics, while worthy of a debate I think, are not in the right thread or forum o

 

[sir q]

Seriously, Kings know it means a great loss of personal liberty for them, and they are the ones making the decisions and telling the uneducated masses what to think about those evil guys across the border. Europe ALWAYS fought with itself, until outside forces forced them to be peaceful and economics basically required them to form an economic union. Just think of all the crap that went on between Italian city-states durring this period! Never mind larger countries.

Hahaha Europe... and now, your politicians all, "we don't know how to war ... we like peace ... America knows how to war =(" ... stfu you were killin each other before there was a USA

:Cowboy smileyface:

Nothing so easy about unifying the HRE though. It took me like seven hours to do that... broke my finger on the diplomacy buttons. But don't go joining the HRE if you don't plan to be Emperor. It's a with-us-or-against-us, George-Bush-diplomacy institution now. The AI will unify it - e.g. you will lose your sovereignty, and the game.