You are playing with fire Paradox

[Nyrael]

You are right that games should be balanced with focus on SP and not on MP...

but this game is not supposed to be a blobbing engine...
if you play with slow and reasonable expansion, and avoid going on a rampage the game will flow fine as it is in 1.6...

I agree, I don't really have a problem because my blobbing tends to be slow and I rarely take more than two provinces since the EU3 days.
However, the DEVS confirmed that this is supposed to be a blobbing game. Now I don't like that decision (I'd prefer more internal politics myself), but I dislike the fact that their mechanics punish you for blobbing in a blobbing game. Such a contradictory design ain't good.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

It's really just Johan. He's always had this brusque, monosyllabic manner when responding to forum threadsAFAIK. When what he's saying is right, it can be amusing. When what he's saying is dead wrong, it's arrogant and infuriating. And then he goes on interviews with gaming journalists and talks about the great relationship and respect PDS has with and for their fans.

Whenever I go read threads in the CK2, HOI4, Runemaster forums etc., the devs there are usually lovely.

Brusque or not, telling the forum in writing that rebel numbers are not buffed in the early game and then seeing 300000 global rebels in the first 100 years, among other questionable things he said, rubs me the wrong way. That screenshot had the rebels at six times the power of the #1 actual nation, and people are routinely complaining of rebel spawn counts greater than their force limit.

The whole "misinformation/lying" routine gets old pretty fast.

 

[Van Tuber]

I think OP is seriously misinterpreting reading Paradox's statements and by Paradox I mean Johan since he is the only one I've seen on the forum today. Perhaps you should be a bit more patient, and see what other devs have to say. The patch just came out today after all, and Sweden is asleep right now. Johan is known for a being brusque, and I don't think he suddenly became filled with hatred and contempt overnight since everything I've seen about him implies the opposite. Anyways, I don't blame the devs staying clear of the forum until it calms down a bit.

 

[TolHydra]

...The whole "misinformation/lying" routine gets old pretty fast.

Perhaps they've changed it since then? Eyeballing the ingredient count, "oh that wasn't sufficient? up the ratio, no time to test? oh, don't worry nothing can go wrong!"

I don't think anyone with their right minds would defend this after seeing it with their own eyes. It's so obnoxious, I found just observing to be amusing.

again, waiting is essential.

 

[Brodacious]

Paradox needs to use Harsh Treatment on this forum.

It fixes everything.

^

 

[Zander]

It's really just Johan. He's always had this brusque, monosyllabic manner when responding to forum threadsAFAIK.

+1. Johan has always tended to jump to "STFU" as his first response, even for proposals that he later decides to adopt. I expect you won't see the same tone from other Paradox people when they post.

 

[ozmono2005]

I'm a very loyal customer and big supporter of paradox. They are my favourite game developers and I'm not afraid to tell the world about them. That said one of the things I hated about CKII as time went on was the increasing amounts of rebels. I hate fighting rebels constantly, especially when they are well armed masses of troops that seem to spawn from nowhere. I don't mind having unrest and ways to make citizens unhappy or happy but clicking harsh treatment and still having to fight them off or accept their demands doesn't sound appealing to me. Atleast in Vicky II they toned down the insane amount of rebels you'd get in vanilla. Anyway this is the first time in years that I won't be buying a PDS core game or dlc. I won't buy this dlc and I won't update EUIV. It's just a design decision that I disagree with strongly.

That said I imagine paradox had their reasons for making that design decision, they wouldn't have done it to piss everyone off. People wanted a more challenging experience and so they made it more challenging. For me it's not the sort of experience I'm after so I'll pass on Wealth Of Nations but I'm certainly not under the illusion that paradox is changing the game to spite it's fanbase.

 

[Sky_WKing]

Two options for the devs:

"Claim v1.6 is worked as intended, harsh treatment on players!" Gets "lose player loyalty" modifier for 5 years: product income modifier -20%. PDX EUIV subforum: local revolt risk +15.00. Gain 7.0 infamy.
or
"Admit the faulty design, apply quick fix and patch!" -(20*weekly income) ducats, +25 prestige, gets "responsible developer" modifier for 5 years: +50% better relations over time with players. PDX EUIV subforum: local revolt risk -15.00.

 

[fleetothemoon]

Paradox needs to use Harsh Treatment on this forum.

It fixes everything.

^

If that doesn't work, they may have to accept rebel demands

 

[Orinsul]

Two options for the devs:

"Claim v1.6 is worked as intended, harsh treatment on players!" Gets "lose player loyalty" modifier for 5 years: product income modifier -20%. PDX EUIV subforum: local revolt risk +15.00. Gain 7.0 infamy.
or
"Admit the faulty design, apply quick fix and patch!" -(20*weekly income) ducats, +25 prestige, gets "responsible developer" modifier for 5 years: +50% better relations over time with players. PDX EUIV subforum: local revolt risk -15.00.

or B.
Wait till there's actually a majority consensus and not jump the knee-jerk sooth the 'outrage' of a vocal minority on the day of the patch's release before anything approaching a community response has been reached. Not act or make any statements until the problem has been responsibly investigated and a solution has been found i.e. until they actually have something to say.
+1 stability

 

[OzoneGrif]

I'm seeing an arrogance that I've not seen from PDS before. Posts telling players to l2p, and declaring that the testers found nothing wrong with the product (implication being the problem must be with us)

Seeing your behaviour after just a few hours playing this patch, and not giving Paradox the time to get feedback and fix the few little balance problems...

Yes you are the problem.

 

[TolHydra]

or B.
Wait till there's actually a majority consensus and not jump the knee-jerk sooth the 'outrage' of a vocal minority on the day of the patch's release before anything approaching a community response has been reached. Not act or make any statements until the problem has been responsibly investigated and a solution has been found i.e. until they actually have something to say.
+1 stability

I hope they implement a launcher poll for these kind of stuff. It'd make everyone's life easier.

 

[IIWW]

or B.
Wait till there's actually a majority consensus and not jump the knee-jerk sooth the 'outrage' of a vocal minority on the day of the patch's release before anything approaching a community response has been reached. Not act or make any statements until the problem has been responsibly investigated and a solution has been found i.e. until they actually have something to say.
+1 stability

They destroyed the game (AE, rebels, VF) cause of minority.

 

[Sky_WKing]

or B.
Wait till there's actually a majority consensus and not jump the knee-jerk sooth the 'outrage' of a vocal minority on the day of the patch's release before anything approaching a community response has been reached. Not act or make any statements until the problem has been responsibly investigated and a solution has been found i.e. until they actually have something to say.
+1 stability

Everybody love free stability! However it could be just one pop-up in an event-chain that nobody knows where it's going.

 

[TolHydra]

They destroyed the game (AE, rebels, VF) cause of minority.

Vassal feeding never had any place in Europa Universalis to begin with. It's a workaround for a much fundamental issue and I suggest checking out TheMeInTeam's post about it.

 

[Juboboman]

or B.
Wait till there's actually a majority consensus and not jump the knee-jerk sooth the 'outrage' of a vocal minority on the day of the patch's release before anything approaching a community response has been reached. Not act or make any statements until the problem has been responsibly investigated and a solution has been found i.e. until they actually have something to say.
+1 stability

If you believe the response is that of a vocal minority, then you have no idea how representative sampling actually works. I've yet to see a single game where the community consensus on the forums was one thing while the consensus of the non forum-going playerbase was in opposition to it. It doesn't work that way.

I'm also not sure why you decided to put outrage in scare quotes, but I guess you thought it somehow helped further delegitimize positions you clearly don't agree with. Along with pretending they are only the rantings of some mythical vocal minority rather than simply the consensus of a disappointed playerbase.

The whole thing seems rather passive-aggresive to be honest.

 

[rebelde]

Seeing your behaviour after just a few hours playing this patch, and not giving Paradox the time to get feedback and fix the few little balance problems...

Yes you are the problem.

AE is not a new problem from this patch, it has been ignored before and made it worse and worse... The problem with rebels is in plains sight which leads to believe they didn't even test the game before releasing. The nerf to vassals was again a stupid choice to begin with and not really necessary since they nerfed vassal feeding in 1.5 already. So no the don't have the benefit of patience and time.

Besides Paradox does not wait a few hours for you to try the new DLC and patch before paying, they want the money right away. But they won't see mine anymore unless they fix the mess they have done.

 

[IIWW]

Vassal feeding never had any place in Europa Universalis to begin with.

It was a valid strategy. It was one of the most imporstant things in the game, giving authonomy to some regions of Your country and then slowly integrating them into Your realm.

 

[Outrider]

Seeing your behaviour after just a few hours playing this patch, and not giving Paradox the time to get feedback and fix the few little balance problems...

Yes you are the problem.

No need to troll bro.

If you've actually been watching the forums, issues with the patch aren't limited to "the few little balance problems." Even ignoring balance issues of debatable magnitudes, there are numerous situations where things are not working as and large bugs (such as inability to finish integrating Norway) that any tester/QA personnel should have noticed within half an hour of playing a country.

When asked about balance issues, not WAD features, and bugs, the only PI employee on the forums on the launch-date responded essentially with "No issues in beta/QA, you must not know how to play."

 

[bestbrian]

Vassal feeding never had any place in Europa Universalis to begin with. It's a workaround for a much fundamental issue and I suggest checking out TheMeInTeam's post about it.

I may be mistaken, but I don't think I am, that Johan himself stated that VF was a intentional mechanic that WAD.