yet another great idea

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the main problem i have with EU is that by the time i capture a few extra territories, all of the world hates me.
when i started the GC, my relations with France are +80 and with spain +40, but then i took tver and Novgorod from russia and all territories from the TO with the exception of their capital and then i had a very successful war against the alliance of Turkey and Crimea (i only received one province but managed to destroy their army which allowed Persia, Mamelukes, and Georgia take large territories.}
but then my relations fell to -4 with France and -20 with Spain. they started hating me because i had successful wars against non-catholics and those against whom i have a casus belli. this must be changed.

 

[Derek Pullem]

Learn to play the game - don't ask to change the rules because you're losing

 

[Dark_Teuton]

Noone likes a warmonger.


And its a long time since I saw you on these forums, welcome back!

 

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Originally posted by Derek Pullem
Learn to play the game - don't ask to change the rules because you're losing

I assure you Hetman is pretty good. Don't disrespect the old school.

I agree on the issue in the points of BB values Hetman. It made it so you could not attack anyone that Christians or Catholics would agree with you attacking.

The solution for me was defensive wars and lots of Bribing. Or relatively slower expansion.

 

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Originally posted by Dark_Teuton
Noone likes a warmonger.


And its a long time since I saw you on these forums, welcome back!

thanks, glad to be back

 

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here's what happened.
1. war against the TO. i declared war and took all provinces except Livonia. I have casus belli on all of those which i took.
2. war with Russia (they were allied with the TO).
i only took Novgorod and Tver (and burned Moscow down the ground, mwahahaha)
3. War against Turkey. i only took Bujak. and it's one of my home provinces.

then i took a look at the relation screen and saw that everyone was against me. (with the exception of Saxony)

what bothers me the most is that when you get down to about -100 with other nations and you get attacked by someone, all the minor nations attack you. first Bohemia declare war on me. i offered peace, they took it. then a year later Moldavia attacked me, we immediately signed a peace treaty. then Hansa, then Bradenburg, then the Khanates.

 

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Originally posted by Stromprophet


I assure you Hetman is pretty good. Don't disrespect the old school.

Glad to see yet another familiar face, eeeer, Screen name.
BTW, have heard from Sapura lately?

 

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Originally posted by Derek Pullem
Learn to play the game - don't ask to change the rules because you're losing

i never lose, not at this game anyway.
But by the time i get the the 1700's, i've been at war with every Euro country at least twice. believe me, I've counted. i'm just tired of everyone ganging up on me, although the AI should work of Synchronizing it's attacks, a year or two between wars doesn't really hurt me much.

 

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Are you active in centers of trade? Every time your merchant kicks out someone else's merchant, your relations drop by 5.

Was the Order still Catholic when you attacked it? You suffer big relations penalties for attacking someone of your own religion.


At the end of the day anyone who expands a lot is perceived as a threat, whether or not that expansion is justifiable, non-violent or achieved at the expense of other enemies. If you're getting bigger, you're a worry. That's how diplomacy always has worked

 

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Hey hetman, I've always been around, though it's hard to get to a computer nowdays, it'll take a while. For now I'm back home for a little while..


Sapura

 

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Actually....

The difference between a small warmongler, a large warmongler and a peaceful gamer is not really valid.

The difference between a BB of 25-30 and 300 is practically none.

I have been thinking of BB values being spread among the allies. Then also that there should be a BB value for an alliance.

With this some politics and tricky diplomacy could give you more or less BB values.

If you leave an alliance or break a RM you get penalty. Why not earn some points in relation to others when you show that you are fed up with your allied warmongler ?

Just a thought....

 

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Re: Actually....

Originally posted by bmolsson
The difference between a small warmongler, a large warmongler and a peaceful gamer is not really valid.

The difference between a BB of 25-30 and 300 is practically none.

But a "small" warmonger is one with a BB of 5 to 12, or thereabouts. If you reached 25, you're already a seriously large warmonger, and beyond that there isn't and shouldn't be any great distinction.

There are some BB bugs that need removing, such as repeatedly getting 6 or more BB points for annexing a state which broke free from you - Austria should not have a BB of fifty-something just because of diploannexing Bavaria, then losing it to rebels and re-capturing it half a dozen times. But the principle is very sound, and by and large it works exactly as it should do.

 

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Do not touch BB's

BB's are what makes the game "realistic". Look at the last centuries. By that time, as a major or a big minor, for each 2-3 provinces military expansion you were attacked by coalitions.
Examples from countries I know:

I) France had grown pretty bigger through various wars under Louis XIV by mid 17th century (in EU terms say 4 provinces) and constantly thereafter had to fight coalition wars.

II) Prussia had expanded during the late 17th beginning of 18th centuries approx 3 provinces (notably taking Silesia from Austria) and had a nice 7 year war against Austria, Saxony, France and Russia.

Quite the nicest BB war in history for 3 provinces in 50 years.

III) Austria was a little bit too powerfull after Vienna, not astonishing that France helped the Italians against them and that Prussia kicked them out of Germany.

IV- from more recent history) The biggest reason why UK went with France in WWI (turning its back to centuries of collaboration against France) was that Germany was about to expand too much if winning the war and would have then turned to the seas.

This was just to mention that if you can conquer over the world in a game, it may be that the game AI is rotten. Warmonger can try, but if game settings were OK, I would wish them good luck!

 

[Spruce]

I've had a similar experience playing as Hanse. I took Hannover by Force and then got DOW'd by almost al european nations.

Everybody hated me! Took me lots of luck and money to turn the tide. It's not logical

 

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Originally posted by Heyesey
Are you active in centers of trade? Every time your merchant kicks out someone else's merchant, your relations drop by 5.

Was the Order still Catholic when you attacked it? You suffer big relations penalties for attacking someone of your own religion.

1. i had almost constant monopolies in Danzig, Kurland, and Novgorod.
in Danzig I competed against Couland (i played on a scenario called "Italy", so courland controled only eastern and western Pommerania), in Kurland i competed against Sweden, and in Novgorod i competed against Russia, Ryazan, and the Khanates.

i never competed against France or Spain.

2. yes the order was still Catholic when i attacked it. but common, a casus belli is a casus belli so i had an excuse.

this brings me back to an earlier proposal. to use religion as a casus belli. if someone is of a different religion than you, then you should have the right to attack them. back then Catholics hated everyone whose not a Catholic. ofcourse, if i'm a catholic and i attack a muslim nation,then the war would worsen my relations with other muslems or it might even lead to an all out war. also, it would be cool if this would happen:
let's say that Turkey attacks Hungary, than wouldn't it be cool if all catholics with good relation with hungary (let's say +100 and higher) would come to hungary's aid by attacking the Turks, and then Muslim nation with good relations with turkey would attack the catholics. talk about Jihad.

P.S. Sap, how's the "military life"

 

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Originally posted by Hetman Polski

2. yes the order was still Catholic when i attacked it. but common, a casus belli is a casus belli so i had an excuse.

In which case, you would avoid the non-CB-related BB hit, but you would *still take* the attacking-same-religion BB hit. The two aren't necessarily connected.

If you want the right to fight anybody who isn't your own religion, play Spain and switch to Counter-Reformed Catholic.

 

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Re: Re: Actually....

Originally posted by Heyesey


But a "small" warmonger is one with a BB of 5 to 12, or thereabouts. If you reached 25, you're already a seriously large warmonger, and beyond that there isn't and shouldn't be any great distinction.

There are some BB bugs that need removing, such as repeatedly getting 6 or more BB points for annexing a state which broke free from you - Austria should not have a BB of fifty-something just because of diploannexing Bavaria, then losing it to rebels and re-capturing it half a dozen times. But the principle is very sound, and by and large it works exactly as it should do.

Sure, you don't get any bigger by re-annexing a country lost to rebels, but I think there should be some penalty for losing it in the first place and BB seems to me to be a just penalty. This makes it more important to hold onto what you have rather than saying "oh those rebels, we'll just wait and re-annex them later". It heightens the urgency of putting down the rebels and holding on to what you already have.

If there were some other penalty - aside from the loss of revenue from the provinces etc. then I don't think the BB hit would be justified. but for now it is o.k.

 

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My solution to the BB was pretty severe. Unfortunately, itll take the EU2 to be able to use it to the meximum potential.
This way I just had a few one province islands in the middle of my empire (majors' capitals)

McHrozni

 

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Yeah, it does get annoying when as Spain, I declared war on Turkey ( by this time I had all their Turkish possessions, just wanting to kick them out of Europe) then EVERYONE in the world that is still alive declares war, even my good old friend Russia, whom I have relations of +200. The only country that did not hate me was Austria (my ally). It does get annoying after a while, especially since it happens everytime I have a war...