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Error: Received signal 11
./ck2(_Z15sigsegv_handleri+0x24)[0x8bda8d6]
linux-gate.so.1(__kernel_sigreturn+0x0)[0xf777bd30]
./ck2(_ZN10CCharacter13RemoveConsortEPS_+0x15)[0x84ca38d]
./ck2(_ZN10CCharacter13CheckForDeathEv+0x398)[0x84bb502]

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EDIT.. version 2.2.1
 
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Peter's reply taking without any other information can be considered in a negative light. What you just said just shows that different people have different interpretations, and arguing who's interpretation is correct is just a waste of time. My whole point this time was that tywinzo's interpretation that resulted in him getting upset isn't automagically incorrect since it bashes PI, before people post they might want to consider the other person's viewpoint.
 

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Taking it the way I did makes Peter's remark flow logically. Taking it the other way makes it a non-sequitur. Which makes sense?
Okay, I think we have a handle on that. [You provided enough information, but] Please provide more information next time
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Okay, I think we have a handle on that. [Because we've seen bug reports on this before.] Please provide more information next time
 

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Okay, since you apparently want to argue this lets break down the entire statement from the PI moderator.
edit 2: this is pretty much the most indepth explanation on why i think tywinzo took this as a negative, if you can't at least acknowledge that you can understand why he was upset even though you agree or disagree with his reaction then i honestly can think of nothing else to say.

Reported it to the programmers. ("it" is clearly referencing the stack trace which tywinzo provided. while i do not personally know what this is, i can make some guesses based off the content) I think we have a hum of what's the problem, so thanks for the report! (hey, we have a good idea what the issue is [note there is no references to reports from other users]. at this point this would be a good place to stop talking from a customer support perspective since ADDITIONAL BUG INFO FOR THIS BUG WASN'T NEEDED FROM TYWINZO) But just for future reports, try to be more thorough with the reproduction information provided. (this section is not relevant to the current conversation since it adds nothing, in future bug reports from tywinzo they can request additional information if he fails to provide WHAT THEY NEED since apparently the full set of reproduction details were not needed from him at this time [i'm assuming this since they did not request more specific info for this specific bug]. So i'll restate this, this section of the conversation was not necessary and in fact was inflammatory based on tywinzo's reaction. Stating that PI was right and tywinzo was wrong to feel dismissed is pretty silly).

edit:changed "stack info" to "stack trace"
 
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I can definitely see why the OP would be upset for taking your interpretation, but I repeat: that makes Peter's post a non-sequitur. Step back from any feelings, and try to think logically. Why would Peter add the addendum, if that bug report, in and of itself, provided enough information to identify the bug, or that type of bug report ordinarily would provide enough information?

And I know making bug reports and not seeing any results is frustrating. A couple weeks ago I spent several hours making an exhaustive list of all false twins in character history (characters born the same day to the same parents, but not having the twin trait.) None of those have been fixed yet, nor have many other errors I've reported.
 

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I apologize if anyone feels offended by what I've said at any time. We do have enough information for the initial problem to be resolved and we're very grateful for @tywinzo you and everyone else putting the time and effort into making our community a great place to be, but we do also have guidelines that streamline our workprocess a great deal and in the end lead to a better product: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...rting-Guidelines-on-how-to-write-a-Bug-Report.
For instance, just a couple of words in the title of the report makes it so much easier to see if things are related when browsing bugs and so on.
In any case, have a wonderful amazing day.
 
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