Years AVC

[unmerged(85598)]

Shut ur big mouth impertinent yank, everyone who paid for this has a right for there opinion and withouth the people who paid for this the game developer would be forced to stop there prodution and therefore my and everyone else's annoyance is of important.

...Are you seriously implying that there are a large number of people who would stop playing the game over the AUC vs BC issue ? It's an issue on the scale of event 2005 having a typo in it .

Annoyance is only a factor if it is above a certain level, and shared by a significant enough group of people...

As someone else wrote (in this thread or another on the same topic), if you're going to do auc you might as well use the roman calender and roman numerals. Then the player can really have fun.

Not really... While it would most certainly be entertaining, that would have a negative impact on gameplay - certain seasons have an impact on gameplay (or can be added, at the very least, though I think winter does something, somewhere), and so it needs to be easy to tell at a glance portion time of the year it is.

And Roman numerals... Well, that would just give most players a huge headache, even if it is easy enough to read . An option to use them would be nice, though.

 

[unmerged(18701)]

In HoI2, if you play as Germany, all of your units will be in German, with names like 'III. Armeekorps.' Would you suggest the entire interface be converted in German as well, then?

No. I believe the poster I was referring to also wrote that the game might as well be in latin, which I didn't reference since I didn't think it was quite comparable. However, reading roman numerals and the roman calender doesn't require that much more of the gamer than the auc system does, so I think it's a fair comparison.

The feature adds simplicity to the game, chiefly. In addition to other mentioned reasons, the game counting down would be extremely bothersome if you wanted to either make an expansion taking the game into the early empire period or wanted to make a mod set in AD.

I'm not very good at programming, so I'll admit that I don't know much about this, but why can't the game just keep the auc system under the hood and just show the bc year in the interface, without using it for calculations and such? I doubt it would be that difficult to do, but I might be wrong.

Not really... While it would most certainly be entertaining, that would have a negative impact on gameplay - certain seasons have an impact on gameplay (or can be added, at the very least, though I think winter does something, somewhere), and so it needs to be easy to tell at a glance portion time of the year it is.

Well, the Roman months are what we named our months after, so they sound almost the same. I doubt a lot of people would have any trouble with that.

And Roman numerals... Well, that would just give most players a huge headache, even if it is easy enough to read . An option to use them would be nice, though.

Well, that's all I really wanted with bc, an option to use it. However, it's not that big a deal for me, I just don't get why people keep saying that an option to use bc shouldn't be included, because this or that. If there are serious technical issues involved, then I understand, but otherwise I just don't get why such an option wasn't included.

 

[SonofWinter]

Well, that's all I really wanted with bc, an option to use it. However, it's not that big a deal for me, I just don't get why people keep saying that an option to use bc shouldn't be included, because this or that. If there are serious technical issues involved, then I understand, but otherwise I just don't get why such an option wasn't included.

But you do get it. It is the technical issues and all the things tied into the dates, like personal histories of characters as well as the history of the nation you are playing. You may not want to accept it, but you, do get it.

 

[SonofWinter]

Shut ur big mouth impertinent yank, everyone who paid for this has a right for there opinion and withouth the people who paid for this the game developer would be forced to stop there prodution and therefore my and everyone else's annoyance is of important.

Cowardly cur, why don't you show us where you are from, then I can properly respond, you upright baboon.

See, we can degenerate this to a name calling match, anytime you like. :rofl: And since it says Los Angles, the term Yank, doesn't apply to me, since Yank is commonly a reference to, country bumpkins. I assure you, I'm very cosmopolitan.

 

[unmerged(18701)]

But you do get it. It is the technical issues and all the things tied into the dates, like personal histories of characters as well as the history of the nation you are playing. You may not want to accept it, but you, do get it.

So it's not possible to have one variable for the actual date (the AUC one), to use for all the technical stuff, like the things you mention, and then have another one which is the result of the AUC->bc conversion, which is only used in the top right corner of the interface, but isn't otherwise tied into the game in any way?

 

[SonofWinter]

So it's not possible to have one variable for the actual date (the AUC one), to use for all the technical stuff, like the things you mention, and then have another one which is the result of the AUC->bc conversion, which is only used in the top right corner of the interface, but isn't otherwise tied into the game in any way?

I'm sure it is possible, unfortunately, people like you won't be satisfied and they will demand that all the dates be changed. Now, I'm not saying YOU, I'm saying people, like you.

So, its a Pandora's box no one wants to open, especially since the game currently has real issues that need to be fixed and we don't want to waste the programmer's time with trivial stuff, and believe me against the issues of Macedonia colonizing Poland, the whole B.C. vs. AUC thing, is trivial.

 

[unmerged(18701)]

I'm sure it is possible, unfortunately, people like you won't be satisfied and they will demand that all the dates be changed. Now, I'm not saying YOU, I'm saying people, like you.

So, its a Pandora's box no one wants to open, especially since the game currently has real issues that need to be fixed and we don't want to waste the programmer's time with trivial stuff, and believe me against the issues of Macedonia colonizing Poland, the whole B.C. vs. AUC thing, is trivial.

What do you mean all the dates? I haven't seen anyone asking for anything other than the bc system.

Anyway, I agree that they should definitely focus on the important stuff that needs fixing, and I agree that the whole auc/bc thing is trivial. I just think it's a bit odd that they decided to go with auc and leave bc out entirely, and I think it's odd that so many people are defending that decision (with arguments other than "it would have taken them three months longer to make the game").

Anyway, that's just my two cents (or øre, as the case is ).

 

[SonofWinter]

What do you mean all the dates? I haven't seen anyone asking for anything other than the bc system.

Anyway, I agree that they should definitely focus on the important stuff that needs fixing, and I agree that the whole auc/bc thing is trivial. I just think it's a bit odd that they decided to go with auc and leave bc out entirely, and I think it's odd that so many people are defending that decision (with arguments other than "it would have taken them three months longer to make the game").

Anyway, that's just my two cents (or øre, as the case is ).

The personal histories are written in AVC system as are country histories. As soon as B.C. is brought in, people will want that system altered, as well. Sure, no one is asking now, but if the change is made, the people who want B.C. will want it applied to other parts of the game. Which is why I refered to it as a Pandora's Box.

Most of us are defending the AVC system, because we like the historical imersion that the AVC brings and leaves out Christianity in a pre-Christ game.

 

[unmerged(18701)]

The personal histories are written in AVC system as are country histories. As soon as B.C. is brought in, people will want that system altered, as well. Sure, no one is asking now, but if the change is made, the people who want B.C. will want it applied to other parts of the game. Which is why I refered to it as a Pandora's Box.

Most of us are defending the AVC system, because we like the historical imersion that the AVC brings and leaves out Christianity in a pre-Christ game.

Alright, I see what you mean about the personal histories. Personally I never look at them, but I'm sure some people would like that changed too, if the dating system was changed.

And I think it's perfectly alright to defend the auc system, but I don't think anyone has said it should be scrapped. Just that there should be a choice.

 

[nalivayko]

And I think it's perfectly alright to defend the auc system, but I don't think anyone has said it should be scrapped. Just that there should be a choice.

Amen to that. And not that hard to program. BC years should be counted as negative values by program, but displayed with absolute function to the user. The name of the system ("AVC", "BC", etc) is just a variable.

Of course, this is such a trivial matter... But AVC does confuse me somewhat. In EU series I always know what's supposed to happen in RL and enjoy the little differencies here and there. In Rome I can't even tell if 2nd Punic War is supposed to be over (for the sake of example, of course, nobody really cares).

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Sorry, it's not moddable - it's hardcoded. And I'm pretty sure even Paradox won't change it because the EU3 engine they're using needs to count years upward, for the scripting system - so it would take some serious changes to implement BCE, if it can be done at all with this engine.

Well wouldn't it be possible to differentiate between the date shown on screen and the dates that are used in game.

Some kind of small conversion-application, that calculates

XXX AUC = XXX BC

And then show the BC-date on your screen.

And maybe it could be possible to set this as an option, so that players can choose which dates they want to use in the game