Year is 1848

[m45tion87]

Hi all!

Does anybody have idea how "Revolution year" is simulated? I mean it must be very hard to trigger so many revolts, coups, gold strike ect.

And is there any elections? I can't remember was there any real democratic nations (like France) in the 19th century. This may sound like a stupid question, but I have nothing else to ask...

I have waited this kinda game for years so keep going, Paradox!


btw! Any more screenies from Victoria???

 

[Lasse Nielsen]

Well, the US comes to mind...

 

[Lasse Nielsen]

And if you count constitutionel monarchies, then at least the UK and Denmark (to name but two) comes to mind.

 

[unmerged(15723)]

I would say the US and Switzerland was really democratic. Then follows the UK and finally Denmark and Sweden.

I'm not sure about the situation in the Benelux or France. But there were democratic states in Italy right?

 

[Demetrios]

Originally posted by Aldo

I'm not sure about the situation in the Benelux or France. But there were democratic states in Italy right?

No. Sardinia was semi-democratic. The rest were about as autocratic as you could get....

 

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Aldo

I'm not sure about the situation in the Benelux or France. But there were democratic states in Italy right?

France varies radically during this period from a constitutional monarchy with a severely restricted suffrage to a republic with universal suffrage to an Empire with universal suffrage and then back to a republic. The Netherlands and Belgium both more or less fully democratised during this period. Italy when it was first created had a very restricted suffrage, but gradually expanded it throughout the rest of the era. Spain had a brief republic. Parliamentary politics mattered in both Austria and Hungary after 1867. And, of course, in the last few years of the game several new democratic states were established.

 

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Evil Democrats!
I wonder how the game will cope with all this hopefully it will incorporate revolts etc. otherwise

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Was the Portuguese republic democratic from the start?

I'd be interested to see how they model all the Latin American convulsions, too.

 

[unmerged(14689)]

Originally posted by Lasse Nielsen
Well, the US comes to mind...

If you don't see the slaves as part of the demos that is...

 

[Mike the Red]

One of the nice things would be if there were events that simulated the massive influx of immigrants to the US throughout much of this time period, especially from Germany in the 1840-1850 period.

The more I think about this game, the more sorry I feel for Paradox in trying to please at least most of us, each of us who has their own ideas about what MUST be in the game.

Good Luck Paradox.

 

[unmerged(9945)]

Originally posted by Mike the Red
One of the nice things would be if there were events that simulated the massive influx of immigrants to the US throughout much of this time period, especially from Germany in the 1840-1850 period.

The more I think about this game, the more sorry I feel for Paradox in trying to please at least most of us, each of us who has their own ideas about what MUST be in the game.

Good Luck Paradox.

Maybe a population boost and increase tax income or innovativeness for the govt assuming that that is what the slider is called.

Yeah Paradox has it rough .

 

[unmerged(12067)]

Originally posted by Aldo
I would say the US and Switzerland was really democratic. Then follows the UK and finally Denmark and Sweden.

In political science class they told us that Sweden was the last country in the nordic region to go fully democratic, depending on how you interpet Finlands history (being under Russian controll until after WWI). We became democratic in 1917 if I remember correctly (the books are still at my parents place).

 

[unmerged(5664)]

Originally posted by Suvorov
If you don't see the slaves as part of the demos that is...

Pretty much no state had universal suffrage during this time period though, at least up unti the end. If it wasn't the slaves it was the women, or the poor, who were denied the vote.

 

[unmerged(8303)]

I generally trust Paradox on this. There were things I'd like to have seen in EU2 and HOI but without them they're still great games though EU2 is a bit higher on the jaron-o-meter.

as for Victoria, I think its important they stick to their vision for the game and not let themselves be bogged down with adding little things to make everyone happy.

Too many cooks spoil the stew!

or something like that.

 

[Arilou]

Originally posted by Econometrician
In political science class they told us that Sweden was the last country in the nordic region to go fully democratic, depending on how you interpet Finlands history (being under Russian controll until after WWI). We became democratic in 1917 if I remember correctly (the books are still at my parents place).

I thought women didn't get to vote until 1924 or something like that... Or am I wrong? (why is 1924 sticking in my head?)

The issue with Sweden is that the change was so gradual, it evolved from a very centralized monarchy at the beginning of the 19th century to a full democracy in the 20's, without any revolution or coup, and with very gradual changes.

 

[unmerged(5588)]

Sweden had an estate system from the mediveal period up to 1866 (burghers, peasants, nobles and clergy), but had to make some concessions in 1848. In most countries, 1848 provided some liberalization, but there was a conservative backslash later (Prussia, France etc.)

 

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The "Doomsday event" of Victoria is of course "Friedrich Wilhelm IV of Prussia accepts the German Imperial Dignity offered by the Frankfurt national assembly" - thus uniting all of Germany.

 

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Originally posted by Hardu
The "Doomsday event" of Victoria is of course "Friedrich Wilhelm IV of Prussia accepts the German Imperial Dignity offered by the Frankfurt national assembly" - thus uniting all of Germany.

leading to a wholly different Germany. Interesting possibility

 

[Tim O]

Now there's an ahistorical choice that'll screw the player of another European Power if the computer happens to pick that. Surely however this would have kicked off a war with Austria immediatly.

 

[unmerged(14689)]

Originally posted by Timothy Ortiz
Now there's an ahistorical choice that'll screw the player of another European Power if the computer happens to pick that. Surely however this would have kicked off a war with Austria immediatly.

And Russia. Before the Crimean War Nicolas I served as the Gendarme of Europe, maintaining the order of "Vienna", fighting against socialsm, liberalism and nationalism.