well, i'm too busy to help right now, but if someone has troubles with events, try using weyoun's eu2 event program. it should be somewhere on the forum... maybe the old hounds will know. it's just 600K
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In the Scandinavian lands, it should be up to the king to christianize, if he prefer to make the move. It was not the king who was forced by the people to convert but the king who forced the people. So let it be possible to stay pagan...
Norwegian Kings:
Harald I Fairhair (872 - 933) good military, diplomatic and administrative skills
Eirik I Bloodaxe (933 - 935)
Håkon I the Good (935 - 961) good administrative skills
Harald II Greyfur (961 - 971)
Håkon II the Great (971 - 995) good military and diplomatic skills
Olav I Tryggvasson (995 - 1000)
Eirik II Håkonsson (1000 - 1016)
Olav II Haraldsson (1016 - 1035)* (Norway was occupied by Danish forces for a short period, but if Olav manage to repell them...) good military skills
Magnus I the Good (1035 - 1047) good diplomatic skills
Harald III Hardråda (1047 - 1066) good military and administrative skills
Magnus II Haraldsson (1066 - 1067)
Olaf III the Peacefull (1067 - 1093) good administrative and diplomatic skills
Magnus III Barefoot (1093 - 1103) good military and diplomatic skills
Sigurd I Magnusson (1103 - 1130) (there was actually two more kings)
Harald IV Gille (1130 - 1135) (there was actually one more king)
Sigurd II Munn (1135 - ) (there was actually two more kings)
Concerning Denmark and Sweden. Sweden and Denmark should both have two factions as they were not united by 900. In Sweden: Gøtaland who ownes Vestgotaland and Småland, and Svealand who has Svealand and Holstein. In Denmark: Denmark should get Sjælland and Skåne and the Jutes/Jydes should have Jylland.
About Danish kings, I know at least that from around 900 to 930 it was either a man named Knut or a man named Harald. From 930 on:
Gorm I the Old (930 - 958)
Harald I Bluetooth (958 - 990) good military and diplomatic skills
Svein I Forkbeard (990 - 1014) good military and administrative skills
Harald II Sveinsson (1014 - 1016)
Knut I the Mighty (1016 - 1035) good military, administrative and diplomatic skills
Knut II the Hard (1035 - 1042)
Svein II Estridsson (1042 - 1086)* (Denmark was under Norway from 1042 to 1047 and disputed between Norway and Denmark until 1064, but in the game it might be prevented...)
I did not find the Swedish, Gøtar and Jutish kings... Can't remember...
Make sure all the Scandinavian kings are also represented as military leaders too with the same dates of course. Out of the Norwegians, at least Harald Fairhair, Håkon the Good, Håkon the Great, Harald Hardråda, Magnus Barefoot and Sigurd Magnusson stood out as good ones...
Remember, christianization of Scandinavia should not be an event, but a free-willingly effort taken by the king, that might cause rebellions...
Norwegian Kings:
Harald I Fairhair (872 - 933) good military, diplomatic and administrative skills
Eirik I Bloodaxe (933 - 935)
Håkon I the Good (935 - 961) good administrative skills
Harald II Greyfur (961 - 971)
Håkon II the Great (971 - 995) good military and diplomatic skills
Olav I Tryggvasson (995 - 1000)
Eirik II Håkonsson (1000 - 1016)
Olav II Haraldsson (1016 - 1035)* (Norway was occupied by Danish forces for a short period, but if Olav manage to repell them...) good military skills
Magnus I the Good (1035 - 1047) good diplomatic skills
Harald III Hardråda (1047 - 1066) good military and administrative skills
Magnus II Haraldsson (1066 - 1067)
Olaf III the Peacefull (1067 - 1093) good administrative and diplomatic skills
Magnus III Barefoot (1093 - 1103) good military and diplomatic skills
Sigurd I Magnusson (1103 - 1130) (there was actually two more kings)
Harald IV Gille (1130 - 1135) (there was actually one more king)
Sigurd II Munn (1135 - ) (there was actually two more kings)
Concerning Denmark and Sweden. Sweden and Denmark should both have two factions as they were not united by 900. In Sweden: Gøtaland who ownes Vestgotaland and Småland, and Svealand who has Svealand and Holstein. In Denmark: Denmark should get Sjælland and Skåne and the Jutes/Jydes should have Jylland.
About Danish kings, I know at least that from around 900 to 930 it was either a man named Knut or a man named Harald. From 930 on:
Gorm I the Old (930 - 958)
Harald I Bluetooth (958 - 990) good military and diplomatic skills
Svein I Forkbeard (990 - 1014) good military and administrative skills
Harald II Sveinsson (1014 - 1016)
Knut I the Mighty (1016 - 1035) good military, administrative and diplomatic skills
Knut II the Hard (1035 - 1042)
Svein II Estridsson (1042 - 1086)* (Denmark was under Norway from 1042 to 1047 and disputed between Norway and Denmark until 1064, but in the game it might be prevented...)
I did not find the Swedish, Gøtar and Jutish kings... Can't remember...
Make sure all the Scandinavian kings are also represented as military leaders too with the same dates of course. Out of the Norwegians, at least Harald Fairhair, Håkon the Good, Håkon the Great, Harald Hardråda, Magnus Barefoot and Sigurd Magnusson stood out as good ones...
Remember, christianization of Scandinavia should not be an event, but a free-willingly effort taken by the king, that might cause rebellions...
King Yngvar - thats some great info. Those monarchs should be helpfull, though I'm not sure if all can be leaders. About those factions, I dunno, I don't know how many tags are left, so a compromise will perhaps be made.
Mssr Roy - Should I work on those monarchs?? I think I could handle it
. If yes, should I just go to NOR file, delete the current monarchs and add these?? With the real dates? Thanks.
Mssr Roy - Should I work on those monarchs?? I think I could handle it
. If yes, should I just go to NOR file, delete the current monarchs and add these?? With the real dates? Thanks.
Norway monarchs!!
OK, I did everything I should have (I think). I have just replaced original paradox Norway monarchs with these, leaving the dates the same. Should I have done differently with the three-digit dates? Also, for the last monarch I just put 1055 because King Yngvar didn't provide us a value, and I'm guessing the scenario is going to be to 1200. Have we agree on that??
Anyway, these are the monarchs files: (I just copy/pasted from the monarchs file in these quotes)
P.S. I hope this will look good in the forums.
EDIT: As for the Danish and Swedish monarchs, I would have done them as well, ub tI didn't know if we would actually make them into fractions and which tags should I use etc.
EDIT #2: I have updated the files with King Yngvar's suggestions (below). I still want to know is everything alright with the coding.
EDIT #3: I have changed Harald's death to 1067, as suggested.
OK, I did everything I should have (I think
). I have just replaced original paradox Norway monarchs with these, leaving the dates the same. Should I have done differently with the three-digit dates? Also, for the last monarch I just put 1055 because King Yngvar didn't provide us a value, and I'm guessing the scenario is going to be to 1200. Have we agree on that??Anyway, these are the monarchs files: (I just copy/pasted from the monarchs file in these quotes)
## Monarchs for Norway by Vlada Peric
#BTW, I hope this is good
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03670 }
name = "Harald I Fairhair"
startdate = { year = 872 }
deathdate = { year = 933 }
DIP = 7
MIL = 7
ADM = 7
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03671 }
name = "Eirik I Bloodaxe"
startdate = { year = 933 }
deathdate = { year = 935 }
DIP = 4
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03672 }
name = "Håkon I the Good"
startdate = { year = 935 }
deathdate = { year = 961 }
DIP = 5
MIL = 4
ADM = 7
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03673 }
name = "Harald II Greyfur"
startdate = { year = 961 }
deathdate = { year = 971 }
DIP = 4
MIL = 3
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03674 }
name = "Håkon II the Great"
startdate = { year = 971 }
deathdate = { year = 995 }
DIP = 7
MIL = 6
ADM = 3
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03675 }
name = "Olav I Tryggvasson"
startdate = { year = 995 }
deathdate = { year = 1000 }
DIP = 3
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03676 }
name = "Eirik II Håkonsson"
startdate = { year = 1000 }
deathdate = { year = 1016 }
DIP = 4
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03677 }
name = "Olav II Haraldsson"
startdate = { year = 1016 }
deathdate = { year = 1035 }
DIP = 5
MIL = 7
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03678 }
name = "Magnus I the Good"
startdate = { year = 1035 }
deathdate = { year = 1047 }
DIP = 7
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03679 }
name = "Harald III Hardråda"
startdate = { year = 1047 }
deathdate = { year = 1067 }
DIP = 3
MIL = 6
ADM = 7
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03680 }
name = "Olaf III the Peacefull"
startdate = { year = 1067 }
deathdate = { year = 1093 }
DIP = 6
MIL = 4
ADM = 7
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03681 }
name = "Magnus III Barefoot"
startdate = { year = 1093 }
deathdate = { year = 1103 }
DIP = 6
MIL = 7
ADM = 3
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03682 }
name = "Sigurd I Magnusson"
startdate = { year = 1103 }
deathdate = { year = 1130 }
DIP = 4
MIL = 6
ADM = 5
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03683 }
name = "Harald IV Gille"
startdate = { year = 1130 }
deathdate = { year = 1135 }
DIP = 4
MIL = 4
ADM = 3
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03684 }
name = "Sigurd II Munn"
startdate = { year = 1135 }
deathdate = { year = 1177 }
DIP = 5
MIL = 4
ADM = 4
dormant = no
}
historicalmonarch = {
id = { type = 6 id = 03685 }
name = "Sverre Sigurdsson"
startdate = { year = 1177 }
deathdate = { year = 1202 } #Dont know a real date
DIP = 4
MIL = 7
ADM = 5
dormant = no
}
# Ids free to 03689
P.S. I hope this will look good in the forums.
EDIT: As for the Danish and Swedish monarchs, I would have done them as well, ub tI didn't know if we would actually make them into fractions and which tags should I use etc.
EDIT #2: I have updated the files with King Yngvar's suggestions (below). I still want to know is everything alright with the coding.
EDIT #3: I have changed Harald's death to 1067, as suggested.
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I've done some quick research, don't know how accurate all of them are.
Anyway this is what I've found so far:
Wessex
Mercia
Northumbria
(National Flag)
or this
(Royal Standard)
Brittany
Breton warriors used black shields according to a Frankish chronicle from the IXth century. (Source: FOTW)
Strathclyde
Gwynedd
Anyway this is what I've found so far:
Wessex
Mercia
Northumbria
(National Flag)
or this
(Royal Standard)
Brittany
Breton warriors used black shields according to a Frankish chronicle from the IXth century. (Source: FOTW)
Strathclyde
Gwynedd
Ok... It is possible to edit the files myself after right like in the other scenarios?
If not:
Eirik Håkonsson has pherhaps been made too good, so has Harald Greyfur, they were incompetent bast... eh... rulers
The others are completely fine I think, nice job!
Since it ends in 1200:
I have really argued with myself what king is the most important to include of those brothers Inge, Sigurd and Øystein, it was actually civil war at that time. But since civil war with monarchs instead of just rebels is impossible, I think that we could make the last years it a little alternative. Pherhaps let Harald Gille live a little longer, maybe till 1145, and then Sigurd Munn til 1177 (the historical year for Sverre Sigurdsson), then Sverre Sigurdsson becomes king in 1177. He was a brilliant commander (7), good enough with administrative business (5), and not so worse with diplomacy (4). Sigurd Munn can be made a little bader than you made them, and to compensate with this, Sigurd Magnusson can be made a little better, at least on military concidering he launched a crusade from Norway to the Holy Land, defeating every pirate fleet he met from Gibraltar to Sicily.
Anyways, you are doing a good job making this scenario. I can't wait to try it out
If not:
Eirik Håkonsson has pherhaps been made too good, so has Harald Greyfur, they were incompetent bast... eh... rulers
The others are completely fine I think, nice job!
Since it ends in 1200:
I have really argued with myself what king is the most important to include of those brothers Inge, Sigurd and Øystein, it was actually civil war at that time. But since civil war with monarchs instead of just rebels is impossible, I think that we could make the last years it a little alternative. Pherhaps let Harald Gille live a little longer, maybe till 1145, and then Sigurd Munn til 1177 (the historical year for Sverre Sigurdsson), then Sverre Sigurdsson becomes king in 1177. He was a brilliant commander (7), good enough with administrative business (5), and not so worse with diplomacy (4). Sigurd Munn can be made a little bader than you made them, and to compensate with this, Sigurd Magnusson can be made a little better, at least on military concidering he launched a crusade from Norway to the Holy Land, defeating every pirate fleet he met from Gibraltar to Sicily.
Anyways, you are doing a good job making this scenario. I can't wait to try it out
[/quote]King Yngvar - thats some great info. Those monarchs should be helpfull, though I'm not sure if all can be leaders. About those factions, I dunno, I don't know how many tags are left, so a compromise will perhaps be made.[/quote]
If not all, at least Harald Hårfagre*, Håkon the Good, Håkon the Great, Olav Tryggvasson, Olav Haraldsson, Magnus the Good, Harald Hardråda*, Magnus Barefoot, Sigurd Magnusson and Sverre Sigurdsson*. The important ones (that's around half of them, I made a '*' mark on those three who should be extra good).
About the factions.. Ye, at least try to get them included. Dividing Sweden into two factions is more important than dividing Denmark, as Denmark was united within 30 years after 900. Anyway, if you do so, here I list Viking kingdoms:
Norway (Østlandet, Vestlandet, Trønderlag, The Highlands and Hålogaland/Narvik) If it is possible to rename Narvik to Hålogaland, do so.
Danes (Sjælland, Jylland and Skåne)
Svear (Svealand, Holstein and Bergslagen)
Götar (Vestgötaland and Småland)
Dublin (Meath) if Dublin is not to be included, at least let Meath be a part of Norway. Another idea would be to let Dublin rule York as it did from 921 to 949, having the capital in Dublin, but control of Meath, Northumbria, Yorkshire, Lancastshire, Lincoln and Midlands/Anglia.
Republic of Iceland (Iceland) If not included, pherhaps make as part of Norway
Duchy of Normandie (Normandie, Maine and Armor, + Bretagne and Morbihan???) obviously included
Gardariki (everything from Novgorod to Belarus to Crimea to Vorones to Moskva) to much to mention, should obviously be included.
If not all, at least Harald Hårfagre*, Håkon the Good, Håkon the Great, Olav Tryggvasson, Olav Haraldsson, Magnus the Good, Harald Hardråda*, Magnus Barefoot, Sigurd Magnusson and Sverre Sigurdsson*. The important ones
(that's around half of them, I made a '*' mark on those three who should be extra good).About the factions.. Ye, at least try to get them included. Dividing Sweden into two factions is more important than dividing Denmark, as Denmark was united within 30 years after 900. Anyway, if you do so, here I list Viking kingdoms:
Norway (Østlandet, Vestlandet, Trønderlag, The Highlands and Hålogaland/Narvik) If it is possible to rename Narvik to Hålogaland, do so.
Danes (Sjælland, Jylland and Skåne)
Svear (Svealand, Holstein and Bergslagen)
Götar (Vestgötaland and Småland)
Dublin (Meath) if Dublin is not to be included, at least let Meath be a part of Norway. Another idea would be to let Dublin rule York as it did from 921 to 949, having the capital in Dublin, but control of Meath, Northumbria, Yorkshire, Lancastshire, Lincoln and Midlands/Anglia.
Republic of Iceland (Iceland) If not included, pherhaps make as part of Norway
Duchy of Normandie (Normandie, Maine and Armor, + Bretagne and Morbihan???) obviously included
Gardariki (everything from Novgorod to Belarus to Crimea to Vorones to Moskva) to much to mention, should obviously be included.
One last thing about the Scandinavian lands, explorers and conquistadors. Norwegians discovered Greenland, America, the Canari isles and some even believe they went as far as Meso America. The Swedes went far inland to Russia and even had trade contact in the far east. Icelanders discovered Svalbard in 1194. There were continious attempts in the 1000's to settle America. Pherhaps most of this explorers and conquistadors should just have typical "Viking names" with no historical interrest. But there should be some, like Eirik the Red, Bjarni Herjulfsson (not sure if Herjulfsson was last name) and Leif Eiriksson (both to Norway) for example. Eirik the Red being an explorer, Bjarni Herjulfsson and explorer and Leif Eiriksson a conquistador (for trying to settle America. Pherhaps you make Eirik the Red usable for Norway from around 970 to 1010(? not sure when he died), Bjarni from 990 to 1030 (? not sure when he died) and Leif Eiriksson from 985 to 1040 (? not sure when he died, probably on Greenland, but as for the starting year, Eirik will probably need a conquistador with him to take Greenland though Leif was pretty young then.
And of course remember what I said about christianity. All up to the king
And of course remember what I said about christianity. All up to the king
OK, King Yngvar, I have updated the monarchs files using your suggestions. I decreased Erik's and Harald's abilities by two points (total) each. (ie. two down from Erik, and two down from Harald). As for the factions, I really can't help you. You will have to speak to the boss which is Mssr Roy. I just help a wee little bit with coding (I would help more, but I don't know how ) and generally lurk on the forums etc.
About the explorers/conquistadors I will see what I can do. In the meanwhile, could you try and get me some accurate dates. Also, their deathdates shouldn't actually be their deaths, unless they died exploring, because some explorers simply retired, and that is the point until they are usefull in-game.
which is Mssr Roy. I just help a wee little bit with coding (I would help more, but I don't know how ) and generally lurk on the forums etc.About the explorers/conquistadors I will see what I can do. In the meanwhile, could you try and get me some accurate dates. Also, their deathdates shouldn't actually be their deaths, unless they died exploring, because some explorers simply retired, and that is the point until they are usefull in-game.
As for death-dates of the Viking explorers one can only speculate...
Oh, I tought you were leading the project (your signature).
Oh, I tought you were leading the project (your signature
).
*is insulted*
As for periods of civil war, usually what I would do is just up the RR and make the ADM of that monarch 1 or 2, but it seems like you know a lot about the time period so it can be done.
Events: Can anyone tell me which country would be considered "in charge" of the First Crusade? I have found several leaders but I need a country that sort of "led" the campaign into the Middle East.
The structure of the 1st Crusade is sort of going to be like this:
Byzantium requests help-triggers Papal Event
Papal States calls for Crusades-triggers a whole bunch of events for different countries asking for money and men in exchange for improved relations and VPs
*X* country receives a whole bunch of men and leaders
Byzantium gets some nasty RR in Bulgaria/Macedonia
If by a certain date *X* controls Judea/Samaria/Aleppo/Lebanon, *X* country receives a series of events giving independence to Edessa, Tripoli, Jerusalem et all, disbands a bunch of men, receives a whole bunch of victory points, some money, and everyone goes home happy.
As for periods of civil war, usually what I would do is just up the RR and make the ADM of that monarch 1 or 2, but it seems like you know a lot about the time period so it can be done.
Events: Can anyone tell me which country would be considered "in charge" of the First Crusade? I have found several leaders but I need a country that sort of "led" the campaign into the Middle East.
The structure of the 1st Crusade is sort of going to be like this:
Byzantium requests help-triggers Papal Event
Papal States calls for Crusades-triggers a whole bunch of events for different countries asking for money and men in exchange for improved relations and VPs
*X* country receives a whole bunch of men and leaders
Byzantium gets some nasty RR in Bulgaria/Macedonia
If by a certain date *X* controls Judea/Samaria/Aleppo/Lebanon, *X* country receives a series of events giving independence to Edessa, Tripoli, Jerusalem et all, disbands a bunch of men, receives a whole bunch of victory points, some money, and everyone goes home happy.
Munster
Connacht
Leinster
Normandy (Country's use in the scenario depends on availability of tags)
France
Just some quick research here.
Mssr Roy - Did I code those monarchs good? If everything is alright, I can do this more, because its quite easy . I will do those monarchs King Yngvar has provided for Denmark and Sweden faction. I just need to know if they are going to get included so I don't spend time for nothing (not that I would usually care, but its end of term here, so I have to study some more )
King Yngvar - I'm flatered (sp?). As for the signature, I just thought I would give this project some advertaising (sp? again). Is that how you came to this thread?
If everything is alright, I can do this more, because its quite easy . I will do those monarchs King Yngvar has provided for Denmark and Sweden faction. I just need to know if they are going to get included so I don't spend time for nothing (not that I would usually care, but its end of term here, so I have to study some more )King Yngvar - I'm flatered (sp?)
. As for the signature, I just thought I would give this project some advertaising (sp? again). Is that how you came to this thread?
von Loch Ness said:
The armies of the First Crusade made their way to the Holy Land by travelling through Byzantium. They stole off the land and were not above killing citizens. Their presence greatly destabilized the empire and Alexius always tried to get rid of the Crusaders as fast as possible. Chances are in game the Crusaders won't actually travel to Byzantium to get to the Holy Land, but the event was a pretty important one in Byzantine history since it weakened Byzantine rule in Bulgaria.
Yeah! Only issue is the monarch tags, but I can fix those myself so you don't have to worry about them.
Be careful what you say
If you could do Cordoba next, that would be good.But you'll have to do your own research this time (if you have trouble I can find some info for you...although be prepared to give some default 4/4/4s for monarchs you know nothing about)Yes.
Yes, its near the end of the semester for me so I'm not spending as much time researching and making this scenario as I would like.
Bah
If I don't watch my back then next thing I know you'll be hijacking this thing
Alright everyone, I am sorry to inform you that Roy took his own life, let us all give a minute of silence to honor his life. He has left me in charge of this project, that was his last will. And if you see a user named Mssr Roy on this forum trying to deny what I just said, it is his little brother, being envious that Roy let me have the honor to lead the program.
What I want you to do VPeric is to name all kings of all nations: King Yngvar! King Yngvar I, King Yngvar II, King Yngvar III, etc...
All nations shields shall have a picture of me on it, contact me and I will provide it. All nations shall be named Yngvarians. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: (this is not laughter, I am deadly serious!)
What I want you to do VPeric is to name all kings of all nations: King Yngvar! King Yngvar I, King Yngvar II, King Yngvar III, etc...
All nations shields shall have a picture of me on it, contact me and I will provide it. All nations shall be named Yngvarians. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: (this is not laughter, I am deadly serious!)
VPeric said:OK, I did everything I should have (I think
Anyway, these are the monarchs files: (I just copy/pasted from the monarchs file in these quotes)
P.S. I hope this will look good in the forums.
EDIT: As for the Danish and Swedish monarchs, I would have done them as well, ub tI didn't know if we would actually make them into fractions and which tags should I use etc.
EDIT #2: I have updated the files with King Yngvar's suggestions (below). I still want to know is everything alright with the coding.
you might want to make Harald Hardrada's death date 1067, or else he'll die on Jan 1 1066, 9 months before stamford bridge
CvM