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Wagon, I would like to apologize. For all your pretension, you are clearly the evolution of centuries of gradually lessening pretensions.
Since when am I pretentious? And actually I'm not sure that example is the most pretentious thing done in the first half of the 20th century. For instance the family every year gave a very significant contribution to the police Christmas ball as thanks for them doing a stellar job looking after us during the year---although all well off families used to do that.
And my great grandfather used to take a very long lunch break (something like two hours) because he didn't want to eat lunch in the office and hence drove back home to eat lunch and then, at least in his later years, take a nap before returning to the office. Perhaps also playing a few hands of Ombre during the lunch break if one of his brothers happened to have stopped by. Heck there was even made a law trying to prevent him "abusing" the system for personal gain, though said law utterly failed in its purpose---bloody socialists who can't take industrious men making money in ingenious ways.:mad:
I think those two things might be worse pretention wise.
At least we didn't name the many streets we made after ourselves; they got really good names actually. (Also speaking of that then when my grandfather was a small child he at some point drove his three wheel bicycle to one of the many places my great grandfather was developing and there he was told by a worker who saw him, that when his father had given him such a nice and expensive bike he shouldn't drive it around in the mud overseeing the work. I've always found that funny; I guess bikes were expensive back then, though it might also have been the worker not wanting to risk the boss' son getting hurt on the construction site.)

You know how the post peasants are; they catch on soon enough.
Oh sure; though I still found it hilarious. Also before the government essentially expropriated them all (they essentially told all owners: "what a nice beachhouse you have; would be a shame if something should happen to it") there used to be multiple beachhouses along that coast line---all with private beaches of course (until the socialists passed a law forbidding you fro fencing off your private beach and allowing anybody to not just walk through it but also stay for as long as they wanted...)---so it could have meant any of them. Although afaik our beachhouse was the only one which had a plantation connected to it.
Was the beach house hiding downed Allied pilots, or was it just for lounging about the beach?
It was a different branch of my family which was deeply involved with the resistance. Though this branch might well have helped some from time to time---don't know. It was not something you talked about during the war for obvious reasons and aside from the last of my grandfathers cousins (born 1917 or 1918) who might still be alive (don't know; she was a few years back at least), there's nobody still alive who were adults when the war broke out.

And the beach house was acquired way before WWII, so it's purpose indeed was for lounging. That, and the other beach houses, pretty much were the permanent residences for large parts of the family during the summer.
 

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Clearly that Eugen game should be "Steel Wagon: Beachhouse 44" instead of whatever they're doing. How many games cover such an instrumental part of WWII history?
 

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"What did you do in the war, daddy?"

"Was at the beachhouse, receiving mail."
 

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Clearly that Eugen game should be "Steel Wagon: Beachhouse 44" instead of whatever they're doing. How many games cover such an instrumental part of WWII history?
This is gold. :D
 

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@Wagonlitz

It now has its own section at the bookstore.

I don't know what else to say.

hygge.jpg
 

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Danes should be banned from mountainous environments.
As a Fenlander, I know my limits. So should Danes.


Danish students rescued on first day of six-month walking tour
Two Danish students had to be rescued from the Pennine Way on the Scottish border on the first day of a six-month walking tour of the UK and Ireland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-39152115
 

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Clearly that Eugen game should be "Steel Wagon: Beachhouse 44" instead of whatever they're doing. How many games cover such an instrumental part of WWII history?
How on Earth is it in any way instrumental to WWII? And much of what I mentioned happened way before WWII.

@Wagonlitz

It now has its own section at the bookstore.

I don't know what else to say.

hygge.jpg
You sure have become fond of hygge in the Anglosphere.
Though I wonder how the book actually wants to explain it, since it at times can be really hard to pinpoint what makes a situation hyggelig.



As something else then it's at the moment 10 years since Ungdomshuset was cleared and then immediately demolished. It was a youth house used by the Copenhagen youth which had been controversial at least since the 90s. (And when the youth got the house in 1982 the Lord Mayor came to congratulate them on the house and instead had a bucket of cold water poured over him by the youth who wanted to show they didn't respect any authority.) It was a Christian fundamentalist sect which purchased the house from the municipality and had it cleared and demolished, because they thought the activities taking place in it were despicable.

The clearing led to several days of rioting in Copenhagen; the rioting started immediately after the clearing of the house and were fierce both at day and at night with streets being barricaded by burning barricades and with cobble stones, bottles, Molotov Cocktails, etc. being thrown at police. It quickly devolved into outright street fighting. And it quickly spread all across Copenhagen with the main centers of fighting being around that house and around Christiania.

And when the house was cleared it was the anti terror squad which needed to be used to take it, since anything else was too dangerous due to the house having been transformed into an outright fortress with battlements and large stocks of weapons like Molotov Cocktails, cobble stones, toilets, etc. And they also had one of those airport firetrucks present and constantly spraying foam on the building like if it was a burning plane.

The riots were the most violent since the infamous 18th of May 1993 riots (which were a result of the Edinburgh treaty referendum passing (thereby allowing the EU to form) and were the worst riots post WWII and led to the police shooting at demonstrators for the first time since WWII---in total 113 shots were fired into the crowds. Police started shooting in response to literally getting carpet bombed by cobble stones and Molotov Cocktails.



The house itself.
Ungdomshuset.jpg


After demolition; the address is Jagtvej 69 (Hunt Street 69).
Ground_69.jpg

Flowers_69_SW.jpg



The house by the way used to be a workers meeting place and was where the Syndicalists started their 1918 storming of the stock exchange.


And two days ago there were riots in the streets again due to it being 10 years since the clearing---with the riots taking place around the new youth house which, when stormed, turned out to have Molotov Cocktails stored inside.

And they have announced that they're holding a party on the site of the former house tonight and have literally told police to keep at least the distance of a cobble stone throw if they know what's best for them. And a spokesman for them said that while violence wasn't preferable, it sometimes was necessary...

Bunch of deadbeats and rioters.
 

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How on Earth is it in any way instrumental to WWII? And much of what I mentioned happened way before WWII.

You sure have become fond of hygge in the Anglosphere.
Though I wonder how the book actually wants to explain it, since it at times can be really hard to pinpoint what makes a situation hyggelig.



As something else then it's at the moment 10 years since Ungdomshuset was cleared and then immediately demolished. It was a youth house used by the Copenhagen youth which had been controversial at least since the 90s. (And when the youth got the house in 1982 the Lord Mayor came to congratulate them on the house and instead had a bucket of cold water poured over him by the youth who wanted to show they didn't respect any authority.) It was a Christian fundamentalist sect which purchased the house from the municipality and had it cleared and demolished, because they thought the activities taking place in it were despicable.

The clearing led to several days of rioting in Copenhagen; the rioting started immediately after the clearing of the house and were fierce both at day and at night with streets being barricaded by burning barricades and with cobble stones, bottles, Molotov Cocktails, etc. being thrown at police. It quickly devolved into outright street fighting. And it quickly spread all across Copenhagen with the main centers of fighting being around that house and around Christiania.

And when the house was cleared it was the anti terror squad which needed to be used to take it, since anything else was too dangerous due to the house having been transformed into an outright fortress with battlements and large stocks of weapons like Molotov Cocktails, cobble stones, toilets, etc. And they also had one of those airport firetrucks present and constantly spraying foam on the building like if it was a burning plane.

The riots were the most violent since the infamous 18th of May 1993 riots (which were a result of the Edinburgh treaty referendum passing (thereby allowing the EU to form) and were the worst riots post WWII and led to the police shooting at demonstrators for the first time since WWII---in total 113 shots were fired into the crowds. Police started shooting in response to literally getting carpet bombed by cobble stones and Molotov Cocktails.



The house itself.
Ungdomshuset.jpg


After demolition; the address is Jagtvej 69 (Hunt Street 69).
Ground_69.jpg

Flowers_69_SW.jpg



The house by the way used to be a workers meeting place and was where the Syndicalists started their 1918 storming of the stock exchange.


And two days ago there were riots in the streets again due to it being 10 years since the clearing---with the riots taking place around the new youth house which, when stormed, turned out to have Molotov Cocktails stored inside.

And they have announced that they're holding a party on the site of the former house tonight and have literally told police to keep at least the distance of a cobble stone throw if they know what's best for them. And a spokesman for them said that while violence wasn't preferable, it sometimes was necessary...

Bunch of deadbeats and rioters.

So do you support the fundamentalist Christians over the youth?

Also what's a youth house? What sorts of activities were the doing that the Christians disapproved of?
 

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So do you support the fundamentalist Christians over the youth?

Also what's a youth house? What sorts of activities were the doing that the Christians disapproved of?

this wouldn't be a problem in Saudi Arabia
 

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So do you support the fundamentalist Christians over the youth?
No. I support neither side. There's absolutely no doubt that Faderhuset (the Father House) only purchased and demolished the house to spite the autonomous inhabitants. On the other hand the violence those youth groupings have used since at least the 1970s isn't ok either.

Also what's a youth house? What sorts of activities were the doing that the Christians disapproved of?
Originally it was given the the BZ movement as a place for them to stay. The BZ was what the Slum Storming groupings (which you might remember from my Copenhagen Slums lite) evolved into in the late 70s. They wanted a place to be able to have their activities and initially they used an empty lot called byggered (the builder), where they built various structures. That was cleared around 1981. Then in 1982 they got this house to stay in. The BZ movement also occupied various condemned houses and made them into various communities. Especially in the Black Square did they occupy loads of condemned houses. One of the most famous ones was Alotria, because when police came to evict them they had dug a tunnel under the street and escaped---in many ways Allotria was the last instance of the peaceful occupations. After that things became way more violent. There e.g. was a time they managed to barricade a street well enough that police was unable to get to them for days (due to the barricade and the constant firing of cobble stones, bottles, etc. against the police). The movement eventually morphed into the current autonomous left in the early 1990s.

Allotria.
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The house was a scene for underground music and e.g. was the center of punk music/culture; and bands/artists like Björk, The Sugarcubes, Einstürzende Neubauten, Nick Cave, and D-A-D have performed there before they became famous. They also ran everything through direct democracy. It also was the center of the various far left groupings like the autonomous. At least since the house was sold in 1999 there has also been loads of riots centered about trying to keep the house/rage over the loss of the house/remembering the house. (Loads of trials ensued after the Father House tried to evict the youth after the sale. The final verdict came in late 2006 and said they had to be evicted; that led to large scale rioting all across Copenhagen in December 2006 which was the reason the clearing wasn't done on the planned date and instead happened on March 1st, where police hadn't told the public about the clearing being about to happen so as to have the easiest time taking the house. As mentioned it had been transformed into an outright fortress with battlements and weapons stockpiles.
I have no idea what the Father House found despicable about the house. They by the way have later folded and there also were some accusations of them being a downright sect which brainwashed their members. They also were the subjects of loads and loads of vandalism and attacks after they tried to evict the house. Similarly the company demolishing the house tried to stay completely anonymous, although they were later discovered and hence had their demolishion machines destroyed.

When it was put up for sale in 1999 by the municipality, the users put up a large banner on the facade stating "for sale together with 500 autonomous, stone throwing violent psychopats from hell".

By the way when the anti terror squad took the house they entered three ways. From containers raised to the upper floor windows where they then could cut through the window bars and enter, from the side of the house, and by helicopter attack they also entered from the roof. Also apparently a British undercover agent was part of bringing them down. When looking for him commenting on this clearing I came across this footage from the rioting two days ago. Notice how you from time to time can hear bombs go of in the background---those bombs are thrown at the police by the rioters. Several right wing politicians have already started talking about possibly taking the new youth house away due to this rioting.



Here's some footage from the clearing of Allotria in early 1983. as you can see police also used a container to break through the outer walls there. As seen in the video the buildings were they demolished ASAP after police confirmed all inhabitants had escaped through the tunnel. As the speaker said, a lot of political problems were buried with the demolision of those houses, but some were saying they'd just turn up again---those people saying that were completely right. At the end you have some vandalism, though way way less violent that what became the norm later. Paint and rocks thrown against the building of the condemnation company in charge of demolishing the Black Square.
 

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Also, has anyone seen Marty? I semi-recently finished his history, and I haven't heard anything from him. He seemed pretty interested in it to start.
 

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I'm still working on it.
I don't think I'm made actual walls of text in a long while though.

This is Eduhyggetainement.
I thought you'd find it interesting. Did you have similar instances in the US with movements occupying condemned houses and giving police quite a headache when trying to clear them?
The Wagonvirke.
I like that name.
 

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