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Yeah, Washington and King's County were big destinations for Scandinavians. A lot of them first arrived in Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa but continued out west to the fishing industry etc. after a while.
I found the collection of stories interesting. Some promoted the ideas of feminism and others kinda promoted the opposite (like the one where the guy beats his wife with a tree branch till she stops asking him questions). Did you think the collection promoted an overall neutral view of females?
Ah, childhood. I knew the story of Sinbad and Ali Baba before that of Cinderella. Good times.
The Hunchback's tale is one of the better one's. Personally, I was always a fan of The Story of Abou Hassan, or The Sleeper Awakened.
The stories are basically a bunch of folktales and stories written by different authors, with various editions running variants of the stories over centuries. I wouldn't look too much into the contradicting morals of the books, though I will say that Scheherazade is one of my favorite female heroes.
Whoa, someone drank way too much coffee!Hey, anyone know the answer to the following:
Why does osmosis happen?
Why does is homeostasis a goal for cells?
Why does diffusion [not of ideas, but of substances] occur?
It's not for homework; I was just curious.
Domestic abuse is always bad. Then again, Jeppe sounds like he might be engaging in financial abuse, so it's just a bad situation on all sides.
Okay, so what is feminist? Feminist, loosely defined, pertains to advocacy for or action in favor of the rights and benefit of women (and arguably gender-related minorities) and against the power structure that abuses women and gender-related minorities. So perhaps we can interpret from there.
But can a medieval person's actions truly be characterized as feminist? Clearly, her mindset was not framed in the modern sociopolitical context of political actions. But it did occur in the context of a male supremacist society, so it may be characterized as individual, personal resistance to male dominance and exploitation of the family's money. So while it may not be feminist, it could be proto-feminist.
I assume that the contextual society is an archetypal Western and male-dominated one, in which there is significant stigma on divorcees, especially for people acting within the female role, and the female and the nuclear family is reliant on the income of the person acting within the male role, both as assigned at birth. If either of these assumptions are not true of the society in the story, then the situation must be reevaluated. Additionally, if I am incorrect in interpreting Jeppe's behavior as financial abuse, then the following must be disregarded.
Also, note that the above societal structure sucks for everyone, not just for people acting within the female role.
For one, the male domination of the female is explicit in the story: Jeppe, although he is a complete incompetent drunkard, is in charge of the acquisition of money and the management of finance; his wife is reliant on him because society will punish or prevent gender nonconforming behavior such as the acquisition of a job other than societally-stigmatized and thus dangerous jobs such as prostitution. She is thus controlled by him in a gendered familial power relationship. This is structural misogyny and a relationship inherently vulnerable to abuse.
Although Jeppe is a complete incompetent drunkard, his wife is not allowed to leave him by means of divorce. This is because of his financial dominance over her and because of society's punishment towards women for escaping any male power.
In Western and multiple other societies, under the typical power structure people acting in the female role are placed under the power of people acting in the male role, from the day they are born to the day they die. At birth, they are forced into a particular sex and into a particular gender identity and role. In childhood, they are trained to behave in a ladylike manner by their mother, who in this case acts as an instrument of male power and control over females, who are placed below her in the familial structure. They are betrothed and given over into the care of someone acting in the male role, approved by the father or by male dominance acting through the mother. They bear children and work informally, always subservient and financially reliant on someone acting within the male role. Their desires are stigmatized and ignored, whereas the actor of the male role is given a great deal of power over someone acting within the female role- regarding their body, regarding their finances, regarding their abilities and access to education.
When people acting within the female gendered role mitigate the power of the abusive and exploitative structure, society acts to place them back within the abusive structure, through direct punishment, denial of privileges, or any number of negative feedbacks that counter their agency.
Divorce is one of these escapes from an abusive structure. I assume that it is denied to Jeppe's wife by society's structure. Running away, likewise, is an escape from abuse. But the financial power relationship within the family makes either of these wildly unfeasible.
Jeppe's wife may have felt disempowered, with no escape from abuse. To this end, she responded with physical violence and attempts at domination- perhaps it was a result of patriarchal emphasis on dominance as judged by physical violence, or perhaps that was her wont as a naturally violent person, or perhaps there was some other reason. Either way, the other means of escape from inherently gendered abuse were unavailable to her because of society. So in this context, yes, Jeppe's wife's action against the patriarchal structure that led to valuable money being thrown away on alcohol was a proto-feminist action because she was acting against the patriarchy for the benefit of a woman, namely herself.
I do not usually condone the attacks and abuse perpetuated by women or females of men or male partners, or any partners at all; but in this specific context it *was*, as a defiant and self-defensive reaction to abusive power structures, a proto-feminist action, though not, perhaps, an optimal action from a utilitarian standpoint or a particularly morally-correct standpoint.mi
oWe could also analyze it from a class perspective, but I don't want to since meh and also economics is hard.
You know, Wagonlitz, usually you're the one who responds with a massive, serious post to a joke; I feel a bit odd right now, like the roles have reversed.
Also, I'm a known feminist, but it's a bit odd to assume that DNC would know or have an opinion on this. Idk?
I'll try to give you the biological basics as best I can:
1. Osmosis happens because water diffuses (literally, it is just the diffusion of water across a membrane -- that is the definition)
2. Homeostasis is good because it regulates the internal conditions of cells, allowing them to function (if you'd like to apply this in an experiment try exercising and monitoring various body characteristics: observe how you begin sweating, you breathe heavier, and your heart rate increases; then do some quick research on why these changes occur)
3. Diffusion happens because of the concentration gradient -- molecules need to move from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration; diffusion also happens through individual random movements -- it is the net movement into or out of a cell or other location that is used to generally describe what is going on
As for your other wall of text, I don't know for sure to what degree it was serious (I will assume that you were not exaggerating), but I think that in it lies the reasons why I, though I support the equality of the sexes/genders, do not consider myself a "feminist." I just don't subscribe to the belief that the patriarchy is some giant conspiracy that coopts men's and women's actions to perpetuate a systematic oppression of the female sex -- at least not anymore. Right now, more women go to college in the US than men, about 50% of the workforce is female, and the gender wage gap has shrunk to about 6%. Sure, there is progress to be made, but when I observe the world around me (and the women I know in it) I do not see the great obstacles that some do. Of course, being male, I am probably blind to subtle/subconscious sexism, but I generally try to do my best to overcome my own recognized prejudices.
Also, I'll confess that I never really understood The Second Sex.
Anyway, that was kinda random.
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@al-Aziz, @DeathNoteForCutie is Jeppe's wife beating him (because he drinks up all his money) with the whip Master Eric feminism?
Abuse is abuse and is wrong, no matter what gender the victim and perpetrator are. I wouldn't say it was feminist. Feminism should just be about making sure people are treated equally and judged on their own merits regardless of whatever gender they identify as. Abusing people, even if they are themselves, doesn't lead to equality, it leads to one person establishing dominance over the other,
As for your other wall of text, I don't know for sure to what degree it was serious (I will assume that you were not exaggerating), but I think that in it lies the reasons why I, though I support the equality of the sexes/genders, do not consider myself a "feminist." I just don't subscribe to the belief that the patriarchy is some giant conspiracy that coopts men's women's actions to perpetuate a systematic oppression of the female sex -- at least not anymore. Right now, more women go to college in the US than men, about 50% of the workforce is female, and the gender wage has shrunk to about 6%. Sure, there is progress to be made, but when I observe the world around me (and the women I know in it) I do not see the great obstacles that sone do. Of course, being male, I am probably blind to subtle/subconscious sexism, but I generally try to do my best to overcome my own recognized prejudices.
Also, I'll confess that I never really understood The Second Sex.
Anyway, that was kinda random.
I actually mostly agree. There's not really any great obstacles separating women from men. My civil engineering classes have been female dominated or about even when all through high school my counselor warned me that it'd be "hard to become an engineer as a woman". I heard there's even more women in biomedical engineering.
When I was in school, a counselor asked me about my future plans. I said I wanted to be President or, failing that, sitting behind a desk asking students about their future plans.
Can't remember how many demerits that was.
Here's the non-terminology-ridden version of what I said.
Jeppe was screwing his wife over because he spent all their familial money on alcohol. Probably Jeppe was wasting money his wife desperately needed, because she's *probably* financially reliant on him because medieval times. Probably Jeppe's wife couldn't just walk away from this relationship in which Jeppe didn't care about her food source, her livelihood, or her feelings.
If Jeppe had a serious problem with the "spending all the family money on alcohol" thing and the "disregarding his wife's needs like food and water and clothing" thing, and his wife is reliant on him, then he's behaving emotionally and financially abusively, and so his wife is justified and feminist, though not necessarily morally correct, in fighting back against his abuse, which was enabled and supported by giving too much power to irresponsible people like Jeppe just because they're men.
Again, this all depends on the circumstances. And if all the above conditionals aren't true then she isn't justified or feminist, imo.
Jeppe was screwing his wife over because he spent all their familial money on alcohol. Probably Jeppe was wasting money his wife desperately needed, because she's *probably* financially reliant on him because medieval times. Probably Jeppe's wife couldn't just walk away from this relationship in which Jeppe didn't care about her food source, her livelihood, or her feelings.
If Jeppe had a serious problem with the "spending all the family money on alcohol" thing and the "disregarding his wife's needs like food and water and clothing" thing, and his wife is reliant on him, then he's behaving emotionally and financially abusively, and so his wife is justified and feminist, though not necessarily morally correct, in fighting back against his abuse, which was enabled and supported by giving too much power to irresponsible people like Jeppe just because they're men.
Again, this all depends on the circumstances. And if all the above conditionals aren't true then she isn't justified or feminist, imo.
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Okay. Thanks.
Huh, thanks.
Do you know why do molecules need to move from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration?
Actually, I don't drink coffee and it's 10:27 here! I'm just really hyper I guess, or something.Whoa, someone drank way too much coffee!
Actually I think it's because I'm reading loads of weird feminist blogs. And I'm procrastinating really hard. So there's that.
Heh. I was vaguely serious, but also this isn't a core part of my political ideology or anything.
It was fun in an intellectual way- like, here, apply all the concepts you learned today so we can see how well you absorbed them. I mostly view feminist theory as an intellectual pursuit, which is maybe shallow but it's really fun.
Nah, I don't believe in a conspiracy, but I do believe, partially, in a society that was constructed in order to enforce (then-efficient and completely logical!) divisions in labor based on gender as well as to ensure maximal reproductive capacity.
And remember, that was written based on my impression of medieval society; it could be totally off. And I don't think today's society is too bad either. I like today's society and I hope I never give the impression of total disenfranchisement or whatever.
By the way, with all this talk about family backgrounds, I figure I should put this up, for people who are interested in this sort of thing.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.svg.png
I would post the picture in thread, but it gets messed up pretty bad in formatting.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.svg.png
I would post the picture in thread, but it gets messed up pretty bad in formatting.
Also. Just because you don't agree with some weird things I say, that doesn't mean you're not a feminist. I understand why some people don't identify with the term because of its associations with misandry and, maybe, conspiracy theories. However, I don't subscribe to either, hopefully, and neither does anyone else *need* to.
Just to be clear on what I've written, I'm not trying to justify female on male domestic abuse. That's obviously wrong.
To me, however, the aside about how the guy was spending familial money on alcohol implied, by virtue of pattern-matching, that he was the original abuser in terms of emotional or financial control here; and I support abuse survivors who do things that might look criminal or abusive without the added context. I also think that abuse survivors who act against abuse that is supported by societal sexism are acting in a way that could be characterized as feminist, if you wanted to.
Just to be clear on what I've written, I'm not trying to justify female on male domestic abuse. That's obviously wrong.
To me, however, the aside about how the guy was spending familial money on alcohol implied, by virtue of pattern-matching, that he was the original abuser in terms of emotional or financial control here; and I support abuse survivors who do things that might look criminal or abusive without the added context. I also think that abuse survivors who act against abuse that is supported by societal sexism are acting in a way that could be characterized as feminist, if you wanted to.
Wow, lots of Germans, eh?
Yeah, German was actually a pretty big language in America up until the world wars.
Someone will have to explain those Mexicans in inland Oregon/Washington to me. How'd that happen? It's not even freaking Portland/Seattle. Is there anything there? Did they get lost?
Racist.
If you've accidentally swallowed acid, it's not a bright idea to swallow base to try and cancel it out.
Yeah, Forest Park is nice. It's the largest city park in America, and it holds the (used to be, probably still is) largest outdoor theater in the nation, The Muny. The St. Louis Zoo is actually pretty nice as well; one of the best in America.