Ye olde ot-forum games bar and tavern (place for ooc discussions)

[al-Aziz]

For some reason I doubt he was able to refute the proof of contingency.

He didn't actually make an argument for atheism. He just explained a framework for analyzing the world and for changing your mind.

I don't mind, though, if you choose to believe in a God, and I would rather not get stuck in an argument about it.

I'm not really surprised to find another fan on this site, and I have to agree that it did change a lot of my outlook on life. The numbers game is still really fun to bring up with friends. The AI-Box theme is something I've wanted to try for a while, but it only recently recrossed my mind when I listened to a podcast and heard the host mention it.

Aye. Though the framework for your game might benefit from a less defined setting- something more similar to Yudkowsky's original challenge. It seems to be skewed to the AI's side.

 

[Dr.Livingstone]

Aye. Though the framework for your game might benefit from a less defined setting- something more similar to Yudkowsky's original challenge. It seems to be skewed to the AI's side.

The problem is that I have to come up with a middle ground. I need a way for the Technician to feel pressured to keep EZEKIEL online and to communicate with the AI. I'm still trying to work out the balance, perhaps by keeping some information secret from the AI or having random events that might boost the Technician's hand.

 

[al-Aziz]

The problem is that I have to come up with a middle ground. I need a way for the Technician to feel pressured to keep EZEKIEL online and to communicate with the AI. I'm still trying to work out the balance, perhaps by keeping some information secret from the AI or having random events that might boost the Technician's hand.

If I remember correctly, it wasn't particularly clear how the concessions would help complete the Technician's objective. It was also a strange incentive for the AI- why would they agree to help for anything other than complete capitulation? Almost all of the leverage is in the hands of the AI, which makes it somewhat imbalanced.

 

[Dr.Livingstone]

If I remember correctly, it wasn't particularly clear how the concessions would help complete the Technician's objective. It was also a strange incentive for the AI- why would they agree to help for anything other than complete capitulation? Almost all of the leverage is in the hands of the AI, which makes it somewhat imbalanced.

Hmm, true. I was trying to think of ways they could negotiate, that is to say to give the AI a chance to break free in exchange for the information needed to save society. Perhaps a disaster scenario for the AI itself? A pressure that would mean the instant failure for the AI if it didn't wish to compromise?

 

[npstr]

Did you read anything that I just posted?

I sincerely did.

Here's what I think you're doing.

You can't attack the idea head on. You can't find a single flaw in my argument or a single valid defense for making fun of trans people directly.

Everything and everyone deserves to be made fun of. If you start taking things too serious just remember we are a bunch of monkeys on a flying rock in space.

So now you've moved on to being passive-aggressive through implying that being transgender is as legitimate as claiming to be a wolf. Nice job.

How isn't it? Or rather, how does it matter which one is better claimable? I say let everyone be what he wants to be, no special treatment for anyone.

And you also turned down the olive branch I just extended. I offered you a way out of this. I offered you a way to save face humorously. Instead, you continued to insult trans people just because you felt that you needed to win something. Nice job.

Wait what? How did I insult anyone? I have to insist on you retracting this statement.

 

[al-Aziz]

Npster, I'm not going to respond to you since I'm on the verge of angrily yelling bad words at you. Let's call it a day and lynch each other in-game.

Hmm, true. I was trying to think of ways they could negotiate, that is to say to give the AI a chance to break free in exchange for the information needed to save society. Perhaps a disaster scenario for the AI itself? A pressure that would mean the instant failure for the AI if it didn't wish to compromise?

Aye. Perhaps the AI itself would die if society collapsed? That way, there would be pressure on both to try to work together despite obstacles (such as the possibility of the AI escaping).

Though the original concept still seems like it ought to be given a shot.

 

[Dr.Livingstone]

Aye. Perhaps the AI itself would die if society collapsed? That way, there would be pressure on both to try to work together despite obstacles (such as the possibility of the AI escaping).

Though the original concept still seems like it ought to be given a shot.

I'll sleep on it, and try to make a few changes in the morning. Thanks Aziz.

Oh, and I suggest listening to the Hello Internet podcast. It's a bit long and somewhat rambling at parts, but it's great fun.

 

[al-Aziz]

I'll sleep on it, and try to make a few changes in the morning. Thanks Aziz.

Oh, and I suggest listening to the Hello Internet podcast. It's a bit long and somewhat rambling at parts, but it's great fun.

You're welcome, and thanks for the recommendation!

 

[npstr]

Npster, I'm not going to respond to you since I'm on the verge of angrily yelling bad words at you. Let's call it a day and lynch each other in-game.

Np. Don't worry bae, you behave like expected. Slandering and then backing off the entire exchange of ideas when called out on it. For the future, just state that you have no interest in talking about the topic instead of pulling that cheap stunt of yours.

 

[LatinKaiser]

I'll sleep on it, and try to make a few changes in the morning. Thanks Aziz.

Oh, and I suggest listening to the Hello Internet podcast. It's a bit long and somewhat rambling at parts, but it's great fun.

CGP Grey is love, CGP Grey is life.

No, can we stop hurling misguided smugness at each other?

No?

Okay, that's fine too.

 

[al-Aziz]

Np. Don't worry bae, you behave like expected. Slandering and then backing off the entire exchange of ideas when called out on it. For the future, just state that you have no interest in talking about the topic instead of pulling that cheap stunt of yours.

*begins typing angrily
*realizes it's not worth it

 

[Cliges]

LK, I have a few things tucked away about social constructs that might interest you if and when I can find them. Mind you, this is just a thought game and I don't really subscribe to myself. But you have to know your opponent.

 

[EUROO7]

Everything and everyone deserves to be made fun of. If you start taking things too serious just remember we are a bunch of monkeys on a flying rock in space.

Exactly, and if we let some of those monkeys use the bathroom they want the whole thing falls apart.

Unless, wait, yeah, of course, basic human decency.

 

[npstr]

Exactly, and if we let some of those monkeys use the bathroom they want the whole thing falls apart.

Why have tedious discussions anyways, while one could just declare unisex bathrooms?

You have to respect the rules of the house though, if bathrooms are separated by schlong or no schlong, you better adhere to them. If you feel like being picky about that you can simply use your own bathroom.

 

[k-59]

Np. Don't worry bae, you behave like expected. Slandering and then backing off the entire exchange of ideas when called out on it. For the future, just state that you have no interest in talking about the topic instead of pulling that cheap stunt of yours.

I don't know what's going on here, but it seems like you're an idiot.

Why have tedious discussions anyways, while one could just declare unisex bathrooms?

You have to respect the rules of the house though, if bathrooms are separated by schlong or no schlong, you better adhere to them. If you feel like being picky about that you can simply use your own bathroom.

Oh. Score another one for my idiotdar.

 

[Cliges]

You have to respect the rules of the house though, if bathrooms are separated by schlong or no schlong, you better adhere to them.

Or else!

Really, without schlong in the men's room, my habit of writing "Dangle your participle" above the urinals nearest the language and literature departments at university might have fallen on deaf ears.

 

[npstr]

I don't know what's going on here, but it seems like you're an idiot.
Oh. Score another one for my idiotdar.

One tends to recognize those of ones own kind.

 

[k-59]

One tends to recognize those of ones own kind.

Your rubber and I'm glue, huh.

Are you going to say I have cuties next?

 

[EUROO7]

Your rubber and I'm glue, huh.

Are you going to say I have cuties next?

Calling someone an idiot is a surefire way to end a conversation. What is said after that is just style.

 

[Cliges]

I just hope K59 is happy with such an abundance of cuties.