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What to take from Portugal?? Release morocco? Take Lisbon and some others so I can vassalize next time? How do I get their colonies? Through diploannexing? I can give ceuta to Algeria, other land to leon or core it myself.... lot of options.



Here's the map 1603. So much to summarize. Right now at war with Portugal, wurzberg, cologne. Need to decide what to take. I can force release of morocco, maybe take island/cape colony. If I vassalize and diplo annex Portugal I get their damn colonial nations correct? How much development can I vassalize? Cologne is an elector looks they are being converted to protestant. I could vassalize them if want to aim for burning down the HRE AE wise and getting 3 or 4 elcectors vassalized.

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England truce is up in 6 months. They are allied with Norway, bohimia, Saxony, danzig, verden. Do I snatch danzig to stop PLC forming or is that not a concern? I am in position to smash them, maybe annex 2 province Norway? Actually Norway, ottoman, England, palantate looks like the way to go. England attacked cusco in south America, half its 15k troops are there lol.

1 year later is Spain allied with Bremen. Took most of their forts so that is another easy victory but I need to know what to take..

Also ottomans got in the coalition unfortunately. They are allied with Norway... I could attach Norway, get war with ottoman and England that way so I can start hitting ottoman again...

I feel like I really need to go protectorate Bahaminis or maybe even ming/korea who are allied...

I have 3700 ducats, 46k manpower and 551 admin points but waiting for 20% discount at tech 17 5.5 years away..

I can call crusade on ottomans or Bahimanis. I can excommunicate bosnia or Corsica, Tuscany is already excommunicated :)
 
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Here is asia. Brunei is in coalition but I made a claim on sulu they are allied with so I can attack. They have 1000 ducats :p. Should I annex sulu and feed brunei to Ayutthaya next truce or core it?

I have dues vult up on korea allied with ming. I can take land from ayuttahya to get claim on Tonkin alied with lang na(in coalition) to feed them to ayatthaya.

Bahaminis is attacking everyone..allied with delhi, malwa, and sind. I want to protectorate Bahamis I think. If I want to protectorate bahaminis I have to take their allies capitals and peace them out then get 100% on bahamais?

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Mali is in coalition. nupe, air, and Timbuktu are allied. I was thinking of pretectorat nupe or maybe air as purple is pretty...
 
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I have to get my vassals annexed asap...Algeria and wallachia suck with increased coring cost. I forced them all to catholic but that didn't seem to reduce diplo annex cost. I am thinking of dumping exploration right now and taking influence. I can get the third idea about 10 months later for -25% diploannex get rid of wallachia then get the -20 policy and try to time 2 annexations while that is in effect.... next idea would be expansion or quantity perhaps?

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What to take from Portugal?? Release morocco? Take Lisbon and some others so I can vassalize next time? How do I get their colonies? Through diploannexing? I can give ceuta to Algeria, other land to leon or core it myself.... lot of options.

you need to own entire Iberia and genoa for yourself, for trade reasons. So whatever you core in Sevilla trade node, core it for yourself. You got two options. Either put Portugal under 100 warscore, and come back once truce is out (and hope their CN don't declare independence), or plain taking 100% warscore in provinces, inlcuding ALL their 0% overextension colonies in Africa and wherever. You can Always imperialise independant former CN late game. But getting the CN for free is Always nice.

You wil ONLY get their CN if you FULL ANNEX them. Do NOT vassalise them or CN go free. Making vassals of nations that have increased coring cost is BAD idea, as you will pay extra diplo points for that ioncreases coring cost also. Transfrer occupation of everything OUT of Sevilla node to Algiers, and give those provinces to Algiers.

Here's the map 1603. So much to summarize. Right now at war with Portugal, wurzberg, cologne. Need to decide what to take. I can force release of morocco, maybe take island/cape colony. If I vassalize and diplo annex Portugal I get their damn colonial nations correct? How much development can I vassalize? Cologne is an elector looks they are being converted to protestant. I could vassalize them if want to aim for burning down the HRE AE wise and getting 3 or 4 elcectors vassalized.

Didn't the league war make empire catholic only? If elector goes protestant, they will lose electorship if so. Keeping vassal electors might not be needed, if you avoid taking lot of AE with HRE.

Your goal should be to pass reforms and get revoke priveilegia. Eating HRE yourself is the worst thing you can do actually, as you pass up a free vassal swarm horde then.

I got actually no experience whatsoever playing reform game with the 'normal' IA farm ways though, gonna need someone else to comment on best approach :(

England truce is up in 6 months. They are allied with Norway, bohimia, Saxony, danzig, verden. Do I snatch danzig to stop PLC forming or is that not a concern? I am in position to smash them, maybe annex 2 province Norway? Actually Norway, ottoman, England, palantate looks like the way to go. England attacked cusco in south America, half its 15k troops are there lol.

You can play PU game to get Poland/Sweden in a PU. that is what I would do. Norway is bad idea as vassal, as they get increased coring cost.

You must core england yourself, to dominate english channel trade node.

I actually would ally Poland, if they are rival to Sweden and/or Russia. Sweden will likely ally England at some point, and if Poland rivalled them, you can call them into your wars.

Vassalise NOVGOROD. they are one of the best vassals you can have. Full annex them, and release them. They will take historical ideas then, with administrative, religious and plutocratic. They get an extra +1% missionary strength, making them too good to pass up. Integrate other vassals, and try to release NAJD. They are another good vassal, as long as you release them with historical ideas. They are same as Novgorod, admin and reliigous. Ideal for letting them convert everything to catholic, after forcing them to become catholic.

Here is asia. Brunei is in coalition but I made a claim on sulu they are allied with so I can attack. They have 1000 ducats :p. Should I annex sulu and feed brunei to Ayutthaya next truce or core it?

I have dues vult up on korea allied with ming. I can take land from ayuttahya to get claim on Tonkin alied with lang na(in coalition) to feed them to ayatthaya.

Bahaminis is attacking everyone..allied with delhi, malwa, and sind. I want to protectorate Bahamis I think. If I want to protectorate bahaminis I have to take their allies capitals and peace them out then get 100% on bahamais?

Protectorating big nations in Asia is good idea, as you can vink on 'colonial war in war declaration screen. All your protectorates will then JOIN the war, which can lead to a swarm of big protectorates eating Asia. You need 100% warscore to make a protectorate. Peacing out allies isn't needed, but it will make acceptance of such a peace faster. You can annull their alliances, and feed them to your protectorate once truce is gone. Only vassal I'd take in Asia/africa is najd.

Make sure you use subject interaction for protectorates, ansd ask for divert 100% trade power.

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Mali is in coalition. nupe, air, and Timbuktu are allied. I was thinking of pretectorat nupe or maybe air as purple is pretty...

Make sure you get all provinces in gold coast trade node, and leave the rest till last. West africa really isn't worth the fuss until late game imperialise/admin efficiency stage. And they will all westernise. But it's up to you.

I have to get my vassals annexed asap...Algeria and wallachia suck with increased coring cost. I forced them all to catholic but that didn't seem to reduce diplo annex cost. I am thinking of dumping exploration right now and taking influence. I can get the third idea about 10 months later for -25% diploannex get rid of wallachia then get the -20 policy and try to time 2 annexations while that is in effect.... next idea would be expansion or quantity perhaps?

Never take ICC vassals. Ever. Switching exploration to influence seems good idea. Integrate small vassals after you get the -25% diploannex, and then integrate large vasals late game once you filled admin+influence for the policy, and once you have admin efficiency. Once you got admin effficiency 3 at 1750, and that policy from admin+influence, you can integrate enormous vassals for a few Thousand diplo points only.

Regarding enxt idea choice: take offensive. The siege ability +20% will help a LOT to shorten siege duration. And it gives discipline and extra forcelimit, which can be handy also.

Classic wc ideas are admin religious influence diplo offensive quality.
 

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Hi Atwix,

Ok I will take as much from Portugal as possible with the aim of full annexation and getting their CNs. Similar with Spain. I have trade set up well and have 9 merchants already.

Ive read your PU page mannny times :) Not sure I can rely on PU anyone. Poland is allied with large novogorod, how would I vassalize large novogorod? Sweden and Muscovy are allied.. What should I do with Sweden/Poland/moscos/novogorod?

Where is Najd lol? I was thinking of releasing Syria out of ottomans, Transylvania out of hungary once I integrate a vassle or 2.

The league wars are still going in HRE. Not sure how I get reelected even allying some electors I have a ton of AE.

Ok its a go on influence then offensive I think.
 

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Ive read your PU page mannny times :) Not sure I can rely on PU anyone. Poland is allied with large novogorod, how would I vassalize large novogorod? Sweden and Muscovy are allied.. What should I do with Sweden/Poland/moscos/novogorod?

Ally Poland. Then ask them to join versus anyone on favours.

THEN attack Novgorod, and Poland can't protect them. Do small war versus Novgorod, annull their alliances, come back after truce.

AND/OR, take their Baltic sea ports, and make sure at least ONE taken province is novgorod native main culture.. Probably Russian ;)

Muscovy might jump them then, and Sweden. If they take land of Nogorod and wipe them off the map, so much the better. Then you can release them as vassal with historical ideas, and you will have reconquest cb versus Sweden+Muscovy.

Where is Najd lol? I was thinking of releasing Syria out of ottomans, Transylvania out of hungary once I integrate a vassle or 2.

Chose your vassals wisely. Najd is in the levant (saoudi arabia), east of mecca. You can release them, and then use 'grant province' to give them Ma'an province or anything that makes them border Ottomans near the Red Sea (without giving them Jerusalem).

You must KEEp jerusalem and Mecca, they will give extra missionaries if you own it directly.

Attacking Haasa will give you Mecca and Najd, basically. Release Najd after, force convert them, and grant provinces. You can give them port in Red Sea (ma'an) and one in Persian Gulf near Timurids. Which leads me to next possible vassal: Attack Timurids ASAP and take persian core with persian culture, and release PERSIA.

NAJD, NOVGOROD en PERSIA should be the vassals you get in the future. They all have religious idea group, which allows for good converting.

The league wars are still going in HRE. Not sure how I get reelected even allying some electors I have a ton of AE.

You really shouldn't be focussing on Europe constantly, youn can let AE simply COOL and focus on Asia/Africa once you get the above three vassals.

I also refer you to Spambuca one faith attempt with France.

He is doing exactly what I mean, with (some) of my advice.

link to his thread: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...h-achievement-run.955148/page-2#post-21555788
 

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For Novogorod vassle I can just take any core and release it as a vassal even though the original country exists?

heh, no. Do you have coring range to the baltic ports of novgorod? If not, then I suppose you got to wait until Novgorod is under 100% warscore before force vassalising them.

But they might not take religious and administrative idea groups then.. They are random now from start. If you can't release Novgorod, their worth becomes lot lower.
 

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I gutted Portugal then they allied with Spain right after the war. Looks like Caribbean and louisian went independent!!!! Now spain and Portugal are at war with them and my truce with spain is up soon :p
 

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if you didn't see a independence war etc, I really suggest revising your message settings to get more popup/pauses.

Also, make all big nations and potential PU targets an interesting nation, combined with enabling popup/pause for events in 'interesting' category of message settings.

Then you can see their heir death events and whatnot.
 

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I took land from Spain and now I have 6 years until I can attack an excommunicated Tuscany allied with austria. Spain did ally with Moscow unfortunately. I'm going to protectorate bahaminis.

So i feel like I have turned the corner and everything is under control... what do you feel could jeopardize the WC achieve?
 

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not much i wager, if you keep the pace going. The only thing that blocks wc can be not integrating subjects that have subjects of their own, like colonial nations. Got to integrate all those. Also, nations with forts under terra incognita can't be annexed. But usually by 1760 all land is revealed but australia.

It would be VERY rare if any nation has a fort there, apart from australia cn.



Be at 100% overextension, get admin efficiency levels asap. Convert non stop also.

You might even handle a one faith achievement then :)

Need diplo screenies for more tips.

follow spambuca thread if you want pointers, as he is doing exactly same as you, only with one faith in mind.
 

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Will do! What about ming? Are they going to explode or is it too late? I'd hate to be slogging through level 8 forts later?

Is one tag just not feasible anymore with all the brakes paradox put in?
 

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one tagging isn't impossible. Never has been.

I am trying to do it now with OPM 5 development vassal start, from India ;)

And i'll likely get it.

You REALLY shouldn't worry about level 8 forts.

If I may be bold, you lack 17th/18th and 19th century gameplay time, as many players do.

level 8 forts, with 25k artillery, and +20/ siege ability from offensive, all fall within the year.

Army tradition at 100 only gives a fraction of the siege ability that this one idea from offensive does.

Get offensive filled, and you are golden.

Even if Ming has 30+ level 8 forts. But take into account AI only builds level 8 forts if powerful neighbours are near.

Ottomans, surrounded by player, and allied to player, will stick to level 2 forts.

No joke.

That hardly matters, but anyways..

Don't doubt yourself.

Your worst enemy for late game wc is boredom, it all becoming a drag, speeding to 4 or 5, while focussing on one war.

Instead, keep up the pace, do 2-3 wars at once, and keep feeding vassals and yourself non stop at 100% overextension. Chain wars, and have a 100% total overextension waiting as soon as the previous batch concludes.

From 1650 or 1700, switch to dip focus, after you got imperialism cb with dip tech 23.

Then integrate all vassals with the vassal integration act policy, and administrative efficiency 2 and 3.

To give you idea... A vassal the size of france will likely only cost 1500 diplo points then. If you got diplomacy and influence filled, you will integrate at 6-7 diplo points a month. So integrate 2 at a time.

You will look at one tag in the end, if done right.

For examples, read all my aar ;)

Naxos one is likely the best example, as that was cathlic one faith one tag.
 
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I did read the first part of your Jangladesh AAR! Ok will do.. I did this Spain run non-ironman.. Had no clue what I was doing when I started. In the end I ran out of time to annex the large vassals and ming.. Sweden was heirless and I got excited but they got an heir now :(
 

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look, if you can do THAT with spain, you can easily WC now, or even one tag.

Pu game needs patience.

If it doesn't work, just annex entire sweden/scandinavia with 2 wars after 1750.

One example: if you fill diplo ideaset, have admin efficiency 3 and such, one can ask ENTIRE Great Britain and their land in Brittany for exmample, for... eh.... maybe 80% warscore. Yo DO need 2 vassals or so ready to swallow 100% overextension,a dn you coring the rest, but it IS possible.

No joke.

What a player can do in admin 3 efficiency is beyond words.

If you plan for it, you can easily client state/vassalise half the world after 1750 alone.

So... keep up, and make SURE you integrate all subjects with colonial nations/somehow other subject FIRST.
 

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Its 1609. I managed to protectorate Bahaminis but it was a pretty tough fight with sind, delhi, and malwa. They stack wiped my 40k troops I sent into dehli with 4 human wave attacks. I have the two provinces of Najd you recommended and took a province next to timurids to get a Persian core. Persians can be given land all the way through Ming later on? Has anyone done studies on how development increases over time? Are there any countries or areas I should target early so they won't be crazy expensive to core later on even with the 60% discount?

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Just got more states, what should I consider upgrading?
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Persians can be given land all the way through Ming later on?

you can just transfer occupation of port provinces within coring range of a persian port, and hand it to them. If persia has baluchistan port, you can transfer control of a BENGAL DELTA port to them, for example. And then give them a snake through the himalays. Then they can core from that bengal port through the snake into Oirat and Ming.

I would use Persia to absorb all land from Persia in a general north and northeast direction. Combine it with feeding novgorod east and southeast, and you can feed entire Timurid/oirat/chagatai/manhuria to those two vassals.

It needs planning, but it can be done.

Has anyone done studies on how development increases over time? Are there any countries or areas I should target early so they won't be crazy expensive to core later on even with the 60% discount?

the idea is to core all trade company regions for yourself. Coring cost will stay manageable, as you only need territorial cores there.


Are there any countries or areas I should target early so they won't be crazy expensive to core later on even with the 60% discount?

the nations around malacca trade node. If one nation dominates all, Malaya could form. Then you can get some trouble, as they will get super navy then.

All in all, coring cost isn't the trouble. It's the hassle of naval invasion ;)

Just got more states, what should I consider upgrading?

All states with 30+ development in Sevilla/genoa/constantinople region I guess. Use state mapmode for this, and hover over the various available states. look at total development. Capital states are usually the ones to go for FIRST.

Don't make states out of low development crap land. The number of development is only factor.

Right after, assign all high autonomy land to estates. High tax to church estate, high trade ones in genoa/sevilla/constantinople (especially trade centers) and also provinces with expensive trade goods like cloth and iron. Give enough crappy provinces to nobles, to play around with at 1x% land.
 

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Dateline 1613: After the stunning subjugation of the Bahaminis Empire, Corsica has been annexed, Adriatic land take from Bosnia, Austria,Tuscany, and Nice. Needless to say the world is outraged at France. fr1613.jpg

Praying for death of the 79 year old Portuguese King! I will have to go review the Atwix guide on PUs :p They got their colonial nations back.. If I claim throne what happens if I have a treaty? I have to wait for it to expire? portugal1613.jpg

The big question is the HRE! The league wars ended with Catholic proclaimed leaving 3 electors. My king is 57! Here is situation:hre1613.jpg

I would like to keep emperor and get the next reform passed for 10 coring cost reduction. The task seems daunting. What should I do? Here are my options I think:

1. Do nothing, let Austria be emperor. I don't know if they will make much progress granting more electors or passing next reform since there are many heretics. Come back in 50 years and annex enough electors.

2. I think I can attack and vassalize cologne 2 provinces and bar/Alsace(54 development 4 provinces will I be able to vassalize?) Add 10 provinces to empire and grant Alsace an elector making 2/4 for me to keep emperor. Then I would need to add 50 provinces and annex/release enough HRE princes to pass the 3rd reform.

3. I tried adding HRE land down to Parma or venice or walllachia but it is not possible to add vassals to the HRE??

4. What about Transylvania or Moldavia vassals to eat hungary/Poland?
 
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