What benefit does Xenophobia have to your empire? It seems to be a negative trait in terms of keeping your prime population happy.
- 3
Xenophobia benefit?
- Thread starter MR-084
- Start date
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
They'll tolerate alien slavery better regardless of other ethos, get cheaper conquest war goals on other phenotypes, and a special tech, apparently.
- 2
- 1
They also don't mind when you purge aliens. A great asset to the space-Hitlers of the universe.
- 4
- 1
slaves are more productive on resources like food tiles than your natives iirc.
besides, the Ordo Xenos knows that nothing good comes from the xeno scum
besides, the Ordo Xenos knows that nothing good comes from the xeno scum
It might be a good ethos because of some of the policies. There may be moments during your game where you would really want to purge someone, or allow migration for only your primary species. Then, of course there is the slavery, which might be very potent if used correctly. And imagine a scenario where your original species would be marginalized by a faster reproducing species.
Of course at this point I can't say if any of these things work as I've imagined, but I'll still choose xenophobe for RP reasons.
Of course at this point I can't say if any of these things work as I've imagined, but I'll still choose xenophobe for RP reasons.
- 1
Basically, you can keep alien slaves without everyone complaining.
In this regard, and as I've said before, it seems like xenophile and xenophobe are actually very similar in terms of what they do, in that both work by allowing you to reap the benefits of a multispecies empire. Compared to xenophile, xenophobe is basically sacrificing some stability (from slaves being angry) for control (being able to purge or resettle angry slaves).
Xenophiles want to build a multispecies empire where everyone cooperates on equal terms. Xenophobes want to build a multispecies empire where all species serve the primary species and outside influences are carefully controlled. Non-aligned empires haven't really thought about what they want and don't really know to do with all these aliens which keep ending up in their empire.
At this point, it's all guesstimation though.
In this regard, and as I've said before, it seems like xenophile and xenophobe are actually very similar in terms of what they do, in that both work by allowing you to reap the benefits of a multispecies empire. Compared to xenophile, xenophobe is basically sacrificing some stability (from slaves being angry) for control (being able to purge or resettle angry slaves).
Xenophiles want to build a multispecies empire where everyone cooperates on equal terms. Xenophobes want to build a multispecies empire where all species serve the primary species and outside influences are carefully controlled. Non-aligned empires haven't really thought about what they want and don't really know to do with all these aliens which keep ending up in their empire.
At this point, it's all guesstimation though.
Last edited:
- 4
And there we have another awesome thread title. After "Is slavery worth it ?", the benefits of xenophobia. 
The game is not even out yet, and we are already catching up to the legendary Ck2 thread titles about child smothering and sibling incest ! Keep up the good work !
The game is not even out yet, and we are already catching up to the legendary Ck2 thread titles about child smothering and sibling incest ! Keep up the good work !
- 2
- 1
Wouldn't xenophobia also discourage emigration? Good if you don't want your population slowly dropping away to go to space America.
- 1
Since pops AFAIK will try to migrate to places where they'll be happier and xenophobics gets happiness penalties from living with aliens they should indeed be less inclined to migrate from their native empire.
My only concern about Xenophobe/Xenophile is that they appear less useful to pacifists who aren't conquering large numbers of foreign species. As a pacifist, the only way you will have alien pops on your planets at all is if you either obtain a migration treaty with another empire (which doesn’t seem easy to do) or if you uplift another empire (which also doesn’t seem easy to do). Perhaps there’s other benefits we’re not aware of for pacifists, but for now this ethos seems to be militarist-focused.
Xenophobic could yes but xenophile can work with pacifist pretty easily. Just do alliance and federation and you are going to have xenos in your empire, i think.
My understanding is that even in a federation, you will only have xenos in your empire if free migration is enabled. And that is going to depend heavily on whether the other federation members are also inclined towards free migration. Particularly if you don't have a lucky start with other friendly races around, it could be quite difficult.
And there we have another awesome thread title. After "Is slavery worth it ?", the benefits of xenophobia.
The game is not even out yet, and we are already catching up to the legendary Ck2 thread titles about child smothering and sibling incest ! Keep up the good work !
That's why the Lannisters have such large beds. They put two twins together to make a king.